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From an ESPN article today with the headline being that the Duke President wanted to hire Tommy Amaker to succeed K, but ultimately Scheyer was the pick because he was K’s choice.

The article doesn’t say anything about Capel, but there was also mention that Tim O’Toole and Quinn Snyder were the ones who convinced K to start recruiting “non-traditional” Duke student-athletes.

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Book: Coach K chose Scheyer over Amaker

Officials at Duke wanted to hire former Blue Devils star Tommy Amaker to replace Mike Krzyzewski after he retires this year, but the coach wanted current associate head coach Jon Scheyer to take the job, according to a new book out next week.
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Coach K pretty much told the AD and President of the University to pound salt. You can do that when you have been the head coach and key figure if the university and you also make 10 million per year. I hope they suck for the next 5 years. But Scheyer probably knows how to cheat like his mentor so there’s that
 
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So why would Amaker, whose resume includes being head coach at three universities, have to come back as an assistant first (a capacity in which he had already served)? Things that make you go hmmm . . .
 
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People worship K like Joe Pa, and I think he's probably evil just like Paterno. I can't wait till some of the skeletons in his closet are exposed and I'm sure there's plenty.
 
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I didn't know that O'Toole was an assistant at Duke. Why wasn't he under consideration to replace Coach K?
 
TempleBAPittMPA said:
So why would Amaker, whose resume includes being head coach at three universities, have to come back as an assistant first (a capacity in which he had already served)? Things that make you go hmmm . . .
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With some people every issue comes down to color.
 
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TempleBAPittMPA said:
So why would Amaker, whose resume includes being head coach at three universities, have to come back as an assistant first (a capacity in which he had already served)? Things that make you go hmmm . . .
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As I said in the NFL coaching threads there is lots of grey but many want to declare everything black or white. Most reasonable people know there’s lots of racism in this country. And many times minorities don’t get the same opportunities.

But if you want to call out something as racial then at least have something to back up what you are saying. I hate Coach K and Duke, think he’s an arrogant prick. But that doesn’t make him a racist because he hired the guy he thought was best to lead Duke even if he had less experience than others. K is one who is not afraid to support and speak up about racism…see article:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/06/coach-k-black-lives-matter-duke-basketball

whoever was going to succeed him who is going to be on his bench this year. He was allowed to make that demand because of the success he’s had at Duke.

Roy Williams picked Davis over more experienced coaches because he thought Davis was the best choice. But if he didn’t pick a minority would you consider Williams racist?

It’s clear you are claiming this is racial but not fair to K (whom I hate) when you have nothing to back it up. These days it’s easy to call out something as racial, sexist etc BUT if you are going to do that please have some evidence to back it up. What you are doing is no different than someone at your job accusing you of being anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, anti-gay…I think you get the point. It wouldn’t be fair to you for someone to say this unless they had evidence to back it up.
 
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Quite a few people in this thread are missing the point of my original question so I'll restate it:

So why would Amaker, whose resume includes being head coach at three universities, have to come back as an assistant first (a capacity in which he had already served)?
 
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TempleBAPittMPA said:
Quite a few people in this thread are missing the point of my original question so I'll restate it:

So why would Amaker, whose resume includes being head coach at three universities, have to come back as an assistant first (a capacity in which he had already served)?
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Exactly that's the point. Everyone else trying to distract with a racial argument.

There's no experienced head coach that's going to want to quit their current head coach job to sit on the bench as a head coach in waiting. K knew that Amaker wouldn't want to go for that.
 
TempleBAPittMPA said:
Quite a few people in this thread are missing the point of my original question so I'll restate it:

So why would Amaker, whose resume includes being head coach at three universities, have to come back as an assistant first (a capacity in which he had already served)?
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Who really cares? I mean, you do for some reason. But Duke has its reasons. And it’s their business.
 
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Mike Brey would be the obvious choice if Coach K were insistent on hiring a current HC from the Duke tree. Coach K’s decision probably had more to do with hiring a young, upcoming coach who he feels will do well.
 
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cease10 said:
Exactly that's the point. Everyone else trying to distract with a racial argument.

There's no experienced head coach that's going to want to quit their current head coach job to sit on the bench as a head coach in waiting. K knew that Amaker wouldn't want to go for that.
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I don’t understand why it’s a racial argument. K knows what’s best for the program, and a mediocre coach isn’t it. Do we have to dissect every coaching decision when a minority doesn’t get the job?

you have 2 schools 8 miles apart who made recent decisions

UNC went with a coach with no experience because the legend coach hand picked him.

Duke is also going with a coach with no experience because the legend coach hand picked him.

nothing to see here.
 
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TempleBAPittMPA said:
You don't? Scroll back a number of posts. You're the one who brought it up (post #9).
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Post #6came from you. Anyone who knows your track record on this board knows what you were implying when you injected a C&C Music Factory song into this thread.

but whatever, Coach K is a racist. You’re right. You win.
 
Amaker has been away from Duke for 25 years, and it makes sense to me that K would want whoever takes his place to be very familiar with the program as it is today.
 
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TempleBAPittMPA said:
Was Mike Brey going to be required to take an assistant gig?
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Anyone with the slightest bit of basketball knowledge knows Brey is better than Amaker. Most people with common sense would realize Coach K probably doesn’t want to hurt Amaker’s feelings because he considers him family. Maybe, just maybe, this is his way of doing it.

PS - Johnny Dawkins is a better HC than Amaker as well if we must bring race into this discussion.
 
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Who has written more books ?

Coach K or Hillary ?

in all seriousness, if K thinks that Scheyer is the best equipped to continue the Duke dynasty then that’s all that matters. What the F does the chancellor know about basketball coaches. Amaker might be a really good coach at Harvard but that doesn’t mean he is the best Duke Legacy coach for the job. Coach K would have brought him in immediately as the next head coach if he was. But it’s a completely different sport with respect to recruiting and NIL etc than it was 10 years ago.
 
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My take on having to assistant coach this season was simply for recruiting purposes. Scheyer has recruited the number one or two class in the country. Amaker couldn’t be recruiting for duke while coaching Harvard could he?
 
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Setting aside Seton Hall and Michigan, I'd argue Amaker has underachieved at Harvard. Yes he's been good there, but I think they should be even better based on the recruits he has brought in.
 
meadvillecoach said:
My take on having to assistant coach this season was simply for recruiting purposes. Scheyer has recruited the number one or two class in the country. Amaker couldn’t be recruiting for duke while coaching Harvard could he?
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Funny how you give a reasoned and well thought out answer and it generates no response from people who solicited for a response.
 
TempleBAPittMPA said:
Quite a few people in this thread are missing the point of my original question so I'll restate it:

So why would Amaker, whose resume includes being head coach at three universities, have to come back as an assistant first (a capacity in which he had already served)?
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The only thing that comes to mind is continuity in recruiting.
 
Saboteur II said:
The only thing that comes to mind is continuity in recruiting.
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Listen
I’m sure K’s opinion holds a lot of sway -
But if the AD and BOT let him hand pick his successor - then shame on them .

They are negligent in their jobs- it’s not about K
 
PittPharm2002 said:
Listen
I’m sure K’s opinion holds a lot of sway -
But if the AD and BOT let him hand pick his successor - then shame on them .

They are negligent in their jobs- it’s not about K
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I wonder what the all-time hit rate on hand-picked coaches by legends is?

It didn’t work when Guthridge and then Doherty after Dean Smith

Ray Perkins didn’t work after Bear Bryant

Syracuse dodged a bullet because at one point Mike Hopkins was their coach in waiting
 
PittPharm2002 said:
So he’s coached in >0 games compared to Scheyer?
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Yeah, nobody said otherwise. Let's not talk like Amaker is the safest, sure-thing, coaching hire.

Will Scheyer succeed? I don't know. I hope he fails. I hope all Duke coaches fail. I also think UNC hiring the guy they did was a mistake.

But I do think, if I am Duke, that there is not a three-year window to find out like K had at the start of his tenure at Duke.
 
JD1976 said:
I wonder what the all-time hit rate on hand-picked coaches by legends is?

It didn’t work when Guthridge and then Doherty after Dean Smith

Ray Perkins didn’t work after Bear Bryant

Syracuse dodged a bullet because at one point Mike Hopkins was their coach in waiting
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Ray Perkins won 68% of his games at Alabama. Bill Curry won 72% of his games. But none of that was enough because Bryant won 82% of his games.
 
JD1976 said:
I wonder what the all-time hit rate on hand-picked coaches by legends is?

It didn’t work when Guthridge and then Doherty after Dean Smith

Ray Perkins didn’t work after Bear Bryant

Syracuse dodged a bullet because at one point Mike Hopkins was their coach in waiting
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Guthridge was certainly hand picked but was successful . 2 final fours in his 3 seasons as HC
Doherty was hired from outside - though I’m sure being Roy’s assistant at KU helped after a short time at ND.
He did stack the team with talent before being fired .
 
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PittPharm2002 said:
Guthridge was certainly hand picked but was successful . 2 final fours in his 3 seasons as HC
Doherty was hired from outside - though I’m sure being Roy’s assistant at KU helped after a short time at ND.
He did stack the team with talent before being fired .
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I always thought Doherty was a good coach. I think he had some interpersonal issues that caused his demise if my memory serves correctly.
 
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