New Coach to Consider

[chirurgo]

Ryan Odom
UMBC Head Coach
Fresh off greatest upset in NCAA history.
Young. Comes from a great lineage, father Dave Odom was a division 1 basketball coach in the ACC footprint.

I have been hearing about this guy for the past year from a good friend who happened to Coach him to a state championship back in high school. He claimed he was the next big thing when he took the UMBC job. He might be right. Wow.

Familiar with the ACC recruiting region. Why not?

What does Pitt have to lose from rock bottom?

 

[KanePA]

This isn’t rock bottom, hire that dude and Pitt will see rock bottom

 

[buckage]

This isn't serious, is it?

 

[TheDeanofPgh]

These threads have become "insert mid major coach who wins or does well in a tourney game" should be the next PITT head coach.

 

[pittbb80]

This is the classic shiny new object syndrome. Any coach who has an impressive win is now the new savior of the program. Odom may end up being a superstar but at this point Pitt needs and appears to be going after a proven commodity.

Having said that, hed be a huge upgrade over sleepy

 

[Gregpitt]

These ideas remind me of an unknown player who over-achieves during the World Series or Super Bowl to gain a huge pay upgrade or free-agency contract, only to go back to his average playing self. One game doesn't makes someone either good or bad. It's one game.

 

[jtownknowitall]

Perhaps we’ll be talking about Porter Moser tomorrow.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I think Odom will likely be a good P5 coach but way too early to consider him. There are plenty of low major coaches who get media attention for a second and then fade back into obscurity (see Andy Toole and King Rice).

 

[sonofabit]

These ideas remind me of an unknown player who over-achieves during the World Series or Super Bowl to gain a huge pay upgrade or free-agency contract, only to go back to his average playing self. One game doesn't makes someone either good or bad. It's one game.

Yeah like that Cowboy who picked off Neil in the Super Bowl...

 

[HailToPitt725]

“You don’t hire someone based off one game, and you don’t not hire someone based off one game.”

 

[PittSqueak]

I'm not recommending Odom because I don't know enough about him, but some context for the "all he's done is won 1 big tourney game" folks. Here are UMBC's win totals over the past 9 seasons (from 09-10 up through 17-18):
4
5
4
8
9
4
7
21
25
Guess when Odom was hired. Yep, between the 7-win season and the 21-win season. Their points-per-game scoring went from usually in the low- to mid-60's, to 81 and 74 the past 2 years.

Also, here are D2 Lenoir-Rhyne's win totals the past 4 seasons:
8
21
10
11
Guess which season was the 1 that Odom was their coach.

Never mind, I think I know enough about him already. Go hire the guy!

EDIT:
Lenoir-Rhyne (the D2 school he coached in '15-16) averaged 71.8 ppg this year. In Odom's 1 year there, they averaged 90.1, so UMBC's huge uptick in scoring (including scoring the most points UVA has given up all year) is part of a clear pattern with him.

 

[PittSqueak]

hire that dude and Pitt will see rock bottom

This isn't serious, is it?

These threads have become "insert mid major coach who wins or does well in a tourney game" should be the next PITT head coach.

This is the classic shiny new object syndrome.

One game doesn't makes someone either good or bad. It's one game.

There are plenty of low major coaches who get media attention for a second and then fade back into obscurity

Yeah like that Cowboy who picked off Neil in the Super Bowl...

“You don’t hire someone based off one game, and you don’t not hire someone based off one game.”

I see what you're all saying, but it literally took me about 6 minutes on the internet to realize Odom MASSIVELY affects the success of teams he's coached. UMBC had single-digit wins for 7 straight years, hired Odom, instantly have 21 & 25 wins and the biggest win in tourney history. Before that he was at a D2 school for a year, which he took from 8 to 21 wins; he left and they fell back to 10.

This guy's buzz right now might be because of 1 win, but his context of turn-around success is way bigger than 1 upset. We shouldn't be saying the opposite if we're not looking at what else he's been accomplishing in his career.

 

[Atch]

This isn’t rock bottom, hire that dude and Pitt will see rock bottom

We used to have game get together's at Rock Bottom.

 

[Pittx9]

Yeah like that Cowboy who picked off Neil in the Super Bowl...

Ha, Larry brown

 

[WoadBlue]

I'm not recommending Odom because I don't know enough about him, but some context for the "all he's done is won 1 big tourney game" folks. Here are UMBC's win totals over the past 9 seasons (from 09-10 up through 17-18):
4
5
4
8
9
4
7
21
25
Guess when Odom was hired. Yep, between the 7-win season and the 21-win season. Their points-per-game scoring went from usually in the low- to mid-60's, to 81 and 74 the past 2 years.

Also, here are D2 Lenoir-Rhyne's win totals the past 4 seasons:
8
21
10
11
Guess which season was the 1 that Odom was their coach.

Never mind, I think I know enough about him already. Go hire the guy!

EDIT:
Lenoir-Rhyne (the D2 school he coached in '15-16) averaged 71.8 ppg this year. In Odom's 1 year there, they averaged 90.1, so UMBC's huge uptick in scoring (including scoring the most points UVA has given up all year) is part of a clear pattern with him.

A good AD looks at such numbers and sees much more in them than any 1 win, or even any 1 conference tournament.

I think the Lenoir-Rhyne wins totals are even more impressive for Odom than his 2 seasons at UMDBC. His 1 team was 13 games better than the year he arrived, and the year after he left, LR was 11 games worse than his year there.

This is a guy who lights a fire under a team.

 

[WoadBlue]

I see what you're all saying, but it literally took me about 6 minutes on the internet to realize Odom MASSIVELY affects the success of teams he's coached. UMBC had single-digit wins for 7 straight years, hired Odom, instantly have 21 & 25 wins and the biggest win in tourney history. Before that he was at a D2 school for a year, which he took from 8 to 21 wins; he left and they fell back to 10.

This guy's buzz right now might be because of 1 win, but his context of turn-around success is way bigger than 1 upset. We shouldn't be saying the opposite if we're not looking at what else he's been accomplishing in his career.

A few years ago, some guy wrote an article called the Malzahn Effect. In it he showed that wherever Malzahn was OC, the team was better, immediately, than before he was there, and after Malzahn left, the team got worse. His prediction was that Malzahn would be a big winner as a head coach.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I'm not recommending Odom because I don't know enough about him, but some context for the "all he's done is won 1 big tourney game" folks. Here are UMBC's win totals over the past 9 seasons (from 09-10 up through 17-18):
4
5
4
8
9
4
7
21
25
Guess when Odom was hired. Yep, between the 7-win season and the 21-win season. Their points-per-game scoring went from usually in the low- to mid-60's, to 81 and 74 the past 2 years.

Also, here are D2 Lenoir-Rhyne's win totals the past 4 seasons:
8
21
10
11
Guess which season was the 1 that Odom was their coach.

Never mind, I think I know enough about him already. Go hire the guy!

EDIT:
Lenoir-Rhyne (the D2 school he coached in '15-16) averaged 71.8 ppg this year. In Odom's 1 year there, they averaged 90.1, so UMBC's huge uptick in scoring (including scoring the most points UVA has given up all year) is part of a clear pattern with him.

Interesting. Certainly puts a different spin on it.

 

[R-M-U-h-o-o-p-s-f-a-n]

A good AD looks at such numbers and sees much more in them than any 1 win, or even any 1 conference tournament.

I think the Lenoir-Rhyne wins totals are even more impressive for Odom than his 2 seasons at UMDBC. His 1 team was 13 games better than the year he arrived, and the year after he left, LR was 11 games worse than his year there.

This is a guy who lights a fire under a team.

While the ACC might be too big of a jump from the American East conference, Pitt could def do worse.

If he gets them past K-St too, even more of a reason to hire him.

 

[chirurgo]

For those of you who like to knee jerk and put down the idea of hiring someone, do some research. This guy is a basketball coach you might want to build a basketball team around.

And if you don’t think this is rock bottom, what is?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

And if you don’t think this is rock bottom, what is?

0-32?