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[Sean Miller Fan]

Just throwing this out there. Is Pitt's internal "testing" policy too strict? Are they being negative recruited against due to this? Maybe in both sports? You look at Durand Johnson, Jordan Whitehead, Quinton Wirginis and maybe Pitt is testing for things commonly used by college kids that other schools aren't testing for.

Basically, if you go to Pitt, you will get suspended if you do this but at other schools, they don't test for it?

 

[McKee Place]

This has long been true. But it's more the payola factor lately

 

[PittPanther44]

Unless this is new in the last 5 to 7 years, it’s not the biggest reason

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Unless this is new in the last 5 to 7 years, it’s not the biggest reason

That Pitt had 3 high profile athletes who were suspended for it might have brought the issue to the attention to recruiters at other schools. "At Pitt, they suspend you for this. We don't test for that here."

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Maybe, but then playing for Jeff not at the top of the list for them. Or he's not convincing them that it should be.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Pitt is so damn far left on every issue, might as well be progressive on the marijuana issue too.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Pitt is so damn far left on every issue, might as well be progressive on the marijuana issue too.

Yea but I don't know why any school would test for non-PED's. Do we test engineering majors for street drugs?

 

[McKee Place]

Pitt is so damn far left on every issue, might as well be progressive on the marijuana issue too.

Yeah, that's probably the most baffling thing about not cheating or especially not fighting for reform of the whole system, which clearly benefits the dirty filthy capitalists. Hell, the NFL model is far more socialist, with revenue sharing and rewarding the losing teams with the best picks and of course, paying the players.

The 'cheating' in college sports, aka the payola, the maintaining eligibility via phony grades, and the overlooking drug test failures, all help the oppressed workers, aka the players. Yea, the bourgeoisie millionaire coaches and boosters also like it... but there was huge corruption in the old Soviet system too.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yeah, that's probably the most baffling thing about not cheating or especially not fighting for reform of the whole system, which clearly benefits the dirty filthy capitalists. Hell, the NFL model is far more socialist, with revenue sharing and rewarding the losing teams with the best picks and of course, paying the players.

The 'cheating' in college sports, aka the payola, the maintaining eligibility via phony grades, and the overlooking drug test failures, all help the oppressed workers, aka the players. Yea, the bourgeoisie millionaire coaches and boosters also like it... but there was huge corruption in the old Soviet system too.

It's not the overlooking of the failures, its

1. Not having internal testing (NCAA doesn't require you to have internal tests)

2. If you do have internal tests, don't test for stuff that's legal almost everywhere (marijuana)

 

[HailToPitt1985]

It's always an excuse with SMF.

 

[sonofabit]

Some indication from Ole Miss folks that Sy was heading here. Smacks of Robert Foster if you want to go that route. Or maybe, just maybe, the guy just imagined walking through The Grove with a pretty coed and not slip sliding into the Carrier Dome or the Pete in mid winter. Kinda figured he wasn't ACC bound. Been there and done it if you want yet another simplistic reason.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Some indication from Ole Miss folks that Sy was heading here. Smacks of Robert Foster if you want to go that route. Or maybe, just maybe, the guy just imagined walking through The Grove with a pretty coed and not slip sliding into the Carrier Dome or the Pete in mid winter. Kinda figured he wasn't ACC bound. Been there and done it if you want yet another simplistic reason.

I don't think Pitt can legitimately win a true head to head battle with $EC schools any longer. Not in THIS $EC which has committed to basketball. Our buddy Nate Oats has the #17 class at Bama. Remember when I said he'd have a Top 3 NCAAT seed within 4 years?

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

I don't think Pitt can legitimately win a true head to head battle with $EC schools any longer. Not in THIS $EC which has committed to basketball. Our buddy Nate Oats has the #17 class at Bama. Remember when I said he'd have a Top 3 NCAAT seed within 4 years?

Thought Capel could, at least a battle v mid level sec for a mid level recruit.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

To be honest, I hope all or most of his whiffs are due to payments because it not, then man oh man, that's not a good look for Capel. If he is losing all these guys fair and square then the blame rests solely on him, not Stallings's 4-32 record.

They're not due to payments, at least not at that level of player. Capel is trying to resurrect a program that was left in shambles by Stallings and he has to learn how to sell the program, cut his losses and the art of timing. In sales, timing is everything.

If there was a payment for a player like Sy, it was a gift card to McDonalds.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Just throwing this out there. Is Pitt's internal "testing" policy too strict? Are they being negative recruited against due to this? Maybe in both sports? You look at Durand Johnson, Jordan Whitehead, Quinton Wirginis and maybe Pitt is testing for things commonly used by college kids that other schools aren't testing for.

Basically, if you go to Pitt, you will get suspended if you do this but at other schools, they don't test for it?

This is called the Darnell Dickerson Pitt Postulate. Which is, find a way, find any way in which Pitt can shoot itself in the foot as a program than almost any other program wouldn't have the same program.

 

[Usuallyunusual]

Just throwing this out there. Is Pitt's internal "testing" policy too strict? Are they being negative recruited against due to this? Maybe in both sports? You look at Durand Johnson, Jordan Whitehead, Quinton Wirginis and maybe Pitt is testing for things commonly used by college kids that other schools aren't testing for.

Basically, if you go to Pitt, you will get suspended if you do this but at other schools, they don't test for it?

Are you suggesting that other college coaches are telling recruits " don't go to Pitt they are goody two shoes and won't let you get high, but if you can play we will look the other way here?" That's........ that's really something.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Are you suggesting that other college coaches are telling recruits " don't go to Pitt they are goody two shoes and won't let you get high, but if you can play we will look the other way here?" That's........ that's really something.

Not the coaches per se, but secondary recruiters like the players, female hosts, or even other recruits they are friends with when discussing other schools. Maybe Pitt is known as the school who will suspend you for smoking weed while other places don't test for it.

 

[Usuallyunusual]

Not the coaches per se, but secondary recruiters like the players, female hosts, or even other recruits they are friends with when discussing other schools. Maybe Pitt is known as the school who will suspend you for smoking weed while other places don't test for it.

Thank you for clarifying. I guess that isn't out of the realm of possibility. I never understood how someone could be a top level athlete and smoke. You would think that would affect their conditioning?

 

[Chescat]

I don't think Pitt can legitimately win a true head to head battle with $EC schools any longer. Not in THIS $EC which has committed to basketball. Our buddy Nate Oats has the #17 class at Bama. Remember when I said he'd have a Top 3 NCAAT seed within 4 years?

Once again reminding us of...."remember when I said;" "I told you so;" "as usual
I was right." Seriously dude, isn't it enough when we tell you we agree with you, or
send you a like? I called you out on this a few days ago, but I guess you just
enjoy reminding us how you had it right all along.
That must explain your tremendous popularity on here.

 

[Pitt79]

That Pitt had 3 high profile athletes who were suspended for it might have brought the issue to the attention to recruiters at other schools. "At Pitt, they suspend you for this. We don't test for that here."

What your policy should be in every aspect is, whatever is FORCED UPON YOU BY OUTSIDE FORCES! You should have ZERO testing for anything, unless the NCAA or ACC or somebody FORCES you to, the GPA and SAT required should always be the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM you can get away with, you should NEVER hold yourself to a higher standard, THAT'S STUPID.

 

[Pitt79]

Thank you for clarifying. I guess that isn't out of the realm of possibility. I never understood how someone could be a top level athlete and smoke. You would think that would affect their conditioning?

LOL, I guess you never knew any top level athletes.

 

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

It has nothing to do with the drug testing policy... I can assure you that

 

[Pitt79]

It has nothing to do with the drug testing policy... I can assure you that

Still, Pitt should do the absolute minimum, never test anybody, for anything, ever, unless forced to by outside forces.

 

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Still, Pitt should do the absolute minimum, never test anybody, for anything, ever, unless forced to by outside forces.

And that’s exactly what they have to do.... this stuff is entirely regulated by the ncaa. The trainers are sent a list of players who are to be tested. They are immediately tested the first instance they walk in the door.

Pitt doesn’t have any more stringent of a program than any other program in regards to drug testing. Frankly there’s a lot of stuff that happens that none of you know about, especially on the football side. We are exactly like every other program. We don’t discipline unless we have to. There’s one player mentioned in this thread who I won’t mention by name but when I heard he got suspended I was literally astounded it took that long for him to have a positive test.

 

[Pitt79]

And that’s exactly what they have to do.... this stuff is entirely regulated by the ncaa. The trainers are sent a list of players who are to be tested. They are immediately tested the first instance they walk in the door.

Pitt doesn’t have any more stringent of a program than any other program in regards to drug testing. Frankly there’s a lot of stuff that happens that none of you know about, especially on the football side. We are exactly like every other program. We don’t discipline unless we have to. There’s one player mentioned in this thread who I won’t mention by name but when I heard he got suspended I was literally astounded it took that long for him to have a positive test.

If you're right, and it's totally out of their control, fine, but if they choose to do it without being forced, they are idiots.

 

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

It confuses me more how an NFL guy gets suspended. They test during training camp and that’s it.... that is the only time they test unless you are in the program. So it just baffles me how someone gets popped when they know the test is coming. It’s not random whatsoever. Like Edelman getting busted for adderall genuinely was a mistake because he knew the test was coming when he reported

 

[Pitt79]

Why do they test for weed at all? OK, PEDs could help you play better I suppose, but weed won't give you any advantage! It's almost like people want to put the hammer down on people having fun or something, like "Yeah, we gotcha!" Me, I'm pissed that they remove players for something harmless that doesn't effect the game. Who are they catering to? I think most fans don't care.

 

[h2p_5150]

Wirginis didn't get suspended for failing a drug test.

 

[WeaverIsComing]

Thank you for clarifying. I guess that isn't out of the realm of possibility. I never understood how someone could be a top level athlete and smoke. You would think that would affect their conditioning?

martavis didn't take up pot after leaving clemson

 

[bobfree]

I don't think Pitt can legitimately win a true head to head battle with $EC schools any longer. Not in THIS $EC which has committed to basketball. Our buddy Nate Oats has the #17 class at Bama. Remember when I said he'd have a Top 3 NCAAT seed within 4 years?

How did we get Mcgowens? He had a South Carolina offer. This is BS

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Lol. Barely anyone gets paid. Especially now

 

[Usuallyunusual]

LOL, I guess you never knew any top level athletes.

Trust me I know they are out there. I just feel like smoking of any kind would hinder an athletes conditioning and or performance. When I played (not as a top level athlete) i tried to gain as much of a competitive edge as possible. Smoking just didn't fit into that equation. But I guess to each their own.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Trust me I know they are out there. I just feel like smoking of any kind would hinder an athletes conditioning and or performance. When I played (not as a top level athlete) i tried to gain as much of a competitive edge as possible. Smoking just didn't fit into that equation. But I guess to each their own.

Better not tell NBA players this !

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It confuses me more how an NFL guy gets suspended. They test during training camp and that’s it.... that is the only time they test unless you are in the program. So it just baffles me how someone gets popped when they know the test is coming. It’s not random whatsoever.

That simply is not true. The NFL does random tests on players from every team after every game. Players are allowed to be randomly tested six times every year. Every player gets randomly tested at least once. On average over ten players per team get randomly tested after every game. And that doesn't include the players in the program.

The NFL actually does more real random testing than any other professional sports league.

 

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

That simply is not true. The NFL does random tests on players from every team after every game. Players are allowed to be randomly tested six times every year. Every player gets randomly tested at least once. On average over ten players per team get randomly tested after every game. And that doesn't include the players in the program.

The NFL actually does more real random testing than any other professional sports league.

That might be the law on the books but what happens is what I described. That’s first hand info from an NFL locker room

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

That might be the law on the books but what happens is what I described. That’s first hand info from an NFL locker room

That's why you have players every year bitching about how many times they get tested. For instance Eric Reid bitched about getting tested seven times in 11 weeks last season. It's all a part of a grand conspiracy to fool everyone. They probably paid off Reid to pretend he got tested when he really didn't to go along with the conspiracy.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

That might be the law on the books but what happens is what I described. That’s first hand info from an NFL locker room

Is that why Joe Haden and 5 or 6 other Steelers were drug tested at 3am in the Pittsburgh airport after flying home from the Monday night game at Tampa last year?

 

[lilspainishflea]

That simply is not true. The NFL does random tests on players from every team after every game. Players are allowed to be randomly tested six times every year. Every player gets randomly tested at least once. On average over ten players per team get randomly tested after every game. And that doesn't include the players in the program.

The NFL actually does more real random testing than any other professional sports league.

You also get added to the program for a failing a drug test in college. So some people are in the program before they enter the NFL and basically spend their entire careers in the program. There are a lot more people in the program than you'd think.

 

[Pitt79]

Trust me I know they are out there. I just feel like smoking of any kind would hinder an athletes conditioning and or performance. When I played (not as a top level athlete) i tried to gain as much of a competitive edge as possible. Smoking just didn't fit into that equation. But I guess to each their own.

Smoking weed is not like smoking cigarettes, you aren't smoking a pack a day.

 

[Pitt79]

Who are they playing to testing for weed? The family values, don't kneel for the anthem fans ? It's not a PED