Somebody might have hit it on the head in regards to those two. Post last week mentioned something but it was mostly ignored
No collier no jeffress
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What did it mention? I mean it’s obvious they’re just not good enough to play in this game.
Alan Saunders story mentions that there is video evidence showing Collier and Jeffress in the car at one point. Now, this could be as innocent as Hugley telling these guys it was his car, but they at least have to answer some questions whether it be from police or Capel.
There also was mention in that story summarizing the police complaint that this whole incident started at a party in Jeffress and Colliers’ dorm that was also attended by Xavier Johnson. I know every college student in America is still partying, but that’s not a good reflection on these guys either. Maybe they were all wearing masks
Pretty sure they’re just not good enough to take minutes from Champ or Toney
I agree neither are quite ready, but it doesn’t seem like a coincidence that they went from getting decent minutes per game (Jeffress in particular was averaging 17 mpg for the season) down to nothing almost in line with the Hugley news. Maybe it’s game flow and that’s it, but something seems odd.
Well, Max played when they could have used Collier.
It's just beyond absurd that when we're trending up and back in the bubble discussion that we lose two top 100 freshmen and another promising young player to some petty felon bullshit that happened a few weeks after they arrived on campus.
Only Pitt.
Only Pitt.
Lost you say? As in gone? Likely gone?
if true, recruiting needs to get going big time.
Nobody knows right now but it's telling that they aren't playing.
Guys, Jeffress was shooting 23 percent. We’re not talking about Kareem Here. And Collier wasn’t playing much before. He’s not gonna stop playing his best 2 players, one of which is an all American, to play 2 below average freshmen right now. That would be absurd.
So you are maintaining their status has not changed? They are not in some kind of limbo?
William and Noah have played in the games since the incident, so it's hard to understand the logic of it being disciplinary.
But it also hard to understand why Jeff tried Max instead of Capel, especially at an important time in the game.
I have absolutely no idea whether they’re involved or not at all. I don’t think it’s fair to speculate about their involvement either. I think what is fair is that neither one of them have done anything to this point in their career to warrant minutes from Toney, Champagnie or Horton when he shoots like he did tonight.
I mean, this is a huge overreaction. It’s established that on the night of the incident, the girl whose car it was is seen parking outside of the athletes dorm on Forbes, the girl gets out of the car, her friend gets out of the passenger seat, and Collier and Jeffress get out of the back. Then the rest of the night plays out as we’ve read about, but that’s the end of Collier and Jeffress’ involvement in the situation as far as the car goes.
If you want to tell me that they’re in the doghouse for inviting some girl and her rando friend to their dorm room to party during a pandemic in violation of what are certainly the program’s social distancing rules, I’d probably believe that - though that’s belied by the fact that the report says that Xavier was there, too, and he clearly isn’t in the doghouse. But even if that’s the case, I don’t think there’s anything to suggest that it has anything to do with the insanely dumb series of events that has gotten Hugley into his mess - i.e., the girl’s Malibu.
It’s possible that it turns out that Collier and Jeffress invited the girl to party, which would absolutely put them both on the bench for the time being - but not because of the car, and instead because of “you guys were incredibly stupid for inviting strange girls to party in your dorm during a pandemic, which put the rest of us at risk...and we found out about it because one of your teammates was dumb enough to steal a car and get his name - and yours - in the papers.”
If you want to tell me that they’re in the doghouse for inviting some girl and her rando friend to their dorm room to party during a pandemic in violation of what are certainly the program’s social distancing rules, I’d probably believe that - though that’s belied by the fact that the report says that Xavier was there, too, and he clearly isn’t in the doghouse. But even if that’s the case, I don’t think there’s anything to suggest that it has anything to do with the insanely dumb series of events that has gotten Hugley into his mess - i.e., the girl’s Malibu.
It’s possible that it turns out that Collier and Jeffress invited the girl to party, which would absolutely put them both on the bench for the time being - but not because of the car, and instead because of “you guys were incredibly stupid for inviting strange girls to party in your dorm during a pandemic, which put the rest of us at risk...and we found out about it because one of your teammates was dumb enough to steal a car and get his name - and yours - in the papers.”
I just don’t see how even that warrants them not playing in the game. THEIR PLAY this year warrants them not playing in the games.
I won’t argue that. If it were up to me, the incident wouldn’t warrant this level of supplemental discipline for anyone on the roster.
But I will say that it’s a lot easier to impose some under-the-radar supplemental discipline if you’re doing it with guys who really wouldn’t hurt you if they aren’t on the floor anyway.
Collier last played against SU and was abused by the tall gangly white dude.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Jeffress play in small spurts, especially in a game like today in which we could use a spark. He provides energy and effort.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Jeffress play in small spurts, especially in a game like today in which we could use a spark. He provides energy and effort.
Looking at playing time:
Hugley gave up Jeffress? (He lost playing time first) Jeffress gave up Collier?
Again no one got killed, hurt or lost unrecoverable property.
Someone was terribly remiss in not seeing this girl being made whole and this entire mess going away.
Hugley gave up Jeffress? (He lost playing time first) Jeffress gave up Collier?
Again no one got killed, hurt or lost unrecoverable property.
Someone was terribly remiss in not seeing this girl being made whole and this entire mess going away.
Neither Jeffries or Collier have played since the Syracuse blowout that was the day after Hugley’s suspension.
They didn’t play in the previous Syracuse game either and wouldn’t have played against Louisville most likely either if Toney / Champ weren’t hurt.
I think it is more a function of Capel having a smaller rotation in conference play than anything discipline related.
I don't. Too much of a coincidence for me.
I think normally, there would have been some playing time for both.
Bro- they have both sucked for the last 2 months. Done squat in games. You have a first team all American and a second team all ACc guy in front of them. It’s too big of a drop off. I don’t believe anyone who thinks it’s discipline
If it was discipline they wouldn't be dressed.
It's perfectly normal for Capel to only roll with 8 guys. He doesn't need to run with 10, especially considering the drop off. I was wrong about Will - thought he'd get more time but he simply cannot be out there right now. Especially not against that UNC or Duke team. JC and Toney need as many minutes as they can handle, and right now that total is awfully close to 40.
I don’t think anyone was “wrong” about him. He’s still a nice prospect and should be good long term. But in every thread about him I kept trying to say that he wasn’t good enough YET to be on a floor in ACC. Apparently I am just a traitor though.
To be honest, Pitt might have been better off last night if Coach had inserted himself instead of Max OR Brown...
First off at best Pitt is a bubble team this yr and while winning games is a top priority I think getting guys some experience also needs to be a priority. This leads me to think both guys are being disciplined for violating team rules regarding Covid and possibly not coming forward with information about the incident .
Last nights game against UNC shows how important Big John is to the program and even if he makes it back his not playing or practicing with the team is a huge setback for his development. JC and Pitt had no choice in their actions , but what will be interesting is what happens after his legal issues are resolved.
Life isn’t fair and athletes get different treatment depending upon their value to their teams . I personally knew a Steeler lineman who constantly got into off field altercations and Chuck Noll sits him down tells him one more incident and your gone . Well he gets into another fight and he’s instantly sent packing . He went on to play another 12 yrs in the league . The funny thing is that he had a teammate , Ernie Fats Holmes , that shot at an Ohio state police helicopter and he continued to be a Steeler . Ernie was a vital to the success of the Steelers while my friend wasn’t .... If JC can find some bigs then Hugley isn’t that vital , but right now his loss really hurts the teams future .
Last nights game against UNC shows how important Big John is to the program and even if he makes it back his not playing or practicing with the team is a huge setback for his development. JC and Pitt had no choice in their actions , but what will be interesting is what happens after his legal issues are resolved.
Life isn’t fair and athletes get different treatment depending upon their value to their teams . I personally knew a Steeler lineman who constantly got into off field altercations and Chuck Noll sits him down tells him one more incident and your gone . Well he gets into another fight and he’s instantly sent packing . He went on to play another 12 yrs in the league . The funny thing is that he had a teammate , Ernie Fats Holmes , that shot at an Ohio state police helicopter and he continued to be a Steeler . Ernie was a vital to the success of the Steelers while my friend wasn’t .... If JC can find some bigs then Hugley isn’t that vital , but right now his loss really hurts the teams future .
You can't compare OOC games against Gardiner-Webb to ACC play when we're a bubble team. Has to be apples to apples.
Jeffress has only had double-digit minutes twice in ACC play and both times were when Champagnie was out. If Justin is playing 36 minutes, and Toney 35 minutes per night, there's really nothing left for Jeffress. So yeah, Jeffress is down from about 7 minutes in 2 games against other ACC teams to nothing, but that's really trivial because it's such a small sample size. I don't think it's a conspiracy.
The last thing we need is LESS Penny.
Yeah I mean we don't have enough people that can score. And Justin is our best option. So you want to take him out for "energy" or "development?" What the heck are you talking about? No one who has ever played basketball would take their best (only?) offensive weapon out for a high energy rebounder. Silly.
He’s their best rebounder, as well.
People forget about Will Jeffress. He is the youngest player in the ACC since Brad Daugherty. And let's also remember, Will played at Erie McDowell, not IMG, not Oak Hill, not even at some Catholic or Public school in NYC or Philly. He was playing against kids at Harborcreek or Meadville not Monteverde or LaLuminere. Sure, he played some AAU against other top 100 kids, but everyday in practice he is likely going up against a kid who's 6'1" and has the athletic ability of, well me. And in HS games, many times he is going up against the same.
I am not saying he was overrated, I am saying, his best is ahead of him as he fills out and the daily practices against a Champagnie and Toney shape him. I have a feeling he will be very, very important for us next year. And he technically would still be a Freshman.
I am not saying he was overrated, I am saying, his best is ahead of him as he fills out and the daily practices against a Champagnie and Toney shape him. I have a feeling he will be very, very important for us next year. And he technically would still be a Freshman.
But when I said this multiple times, even during his career high 7 point outburst, I’m negative and don’t know what I’m talking about...
Let’s be realistic
If we’re quibbling about 4-5 minutes per game -
Well we’re picking nits
The role he could play is spelling Horton -
But would you rather have Nike or will on the wing ?
I can see a role for his length at the top of a zone on defense -
That’s about it .
Call me crazy, but I would rather have him guarding Dolejai or Jalen Johnson than Terrell Brown.
Jalen Johnson wasnt guarded by Brown at all. And Johnson would’ve put Jeffress in a frying pan.
If we have will on either we’re screwed
And we saw dolejai absolutely destroy collier - he’s not ready yet
Jeffers moves much better than Brown and better than Collier. He has a much better chance at ball denial or making a play on the ball than either.
You are not going to stop those players post moves.
Justin did a better job and while stronger, he is not as quick or has the length Jeffers has.
Jeffress simply isn’t good enough at basketball to warrant playing time. He wasn’t good in the preseason and it’s insane theres an entire thread on here and the premium board speculating to his involvement in a crime.
I repeat. JEFFRESS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY RIGHT NOW. Nothing else is the factor.
