Not impressed by Sean McVay today

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I thought that play calling was piss poor. A couple 3rd and shorts in the first half when they loaded up and ran right into a brick wall. Then on 3rd and 3 late, with the field spread and knowing that it was 4-down territory, I thought they should have tried to hit them with a draw.

Weather couldn't have benefitted the Eagles any more, though. That was homefield advantage on steroids. Not a bad model to emulate if you're the Steelers. Need to keep devoting high draft capital to the lines.

 

[Pitt_Boss]

Haha when they had that 3rd and short from around the 20 at the end of the game , I was annoyingly telling people they should run there to make sure they get the next first down. I think they were out of timeouts but there was like 1:15 left and they were already at the 20. Just get on the ball quick after the run , plenty of time to run 4 more plays (or more). Instead they take a sack and lose…

 

[Upg bobcat]

I thought it was a pretty good effort by McVay and his team. At the end of the day, the more talented team won.

 

[pitt2017]

The eagles are drastically overlooked. I said they would win easily and they did. They will beat Washington by 10 or more.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

The eagles are drastically overlooked. I said they would win easily and they did. They will beat Washington by 10 or more.

I wouldn't call that winning easily. I think the Rams might have gotten them had it not snowed... and it still came down the the very end even in spite of it.

 

[MorningCoffee13]

The eagles are drastically overlooked. I said they would win easily and they did. They will beat Washington by 10 or more.

Win easily? lol.

 

[Parkview57]

Not to beat a dead horse, but....
I noticed the Eagles and the Bills getting up behind center on 3rd/4th and short. But it doesn't fit Kade Bell's scheme....he knows more than the NFL, and with Pitt's superior talent at the skill positions why change anything.

 

[noelr]

i thought mcvay was good today and he's a top 3 coach

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Somebody should have lied to Lamar Jackson and told him this is a regular season game.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Not to beat a dead horse, but....
I noticed the Eagles and the Bills getting up behind center on 3rd/4th and short. But it doesn't fit Kade Bell's scheme....he knows more than the NFL, and with Pitt's superior talent at the skill positions why change anything.

A great contingent of PITT fans have been waiting for this type of offense for 20 years. Now you're stuck with it.

Shotgun, "exotic" formations, heavy motions, grip it and rip it...

Give me multiple, pro-style offense any day of the week...

 

[pittdan77]

Rams couldn't stop Barkley and still almost won.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

I think the tush push should be outlawed. That's called Rugby.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I think the tush push should be outlawed. That's called Rugby.

What astounds me is that more teams don't do it, given its success rate.

But even if they don't adopt the same version as the Eagles, I don't get why more teams don't at least utilize the fact that a running back pushing a QB under center from behind is a huge advantage. So much so that it used to be against the rules (Reggie Bush/Matt Leinart being the famous example). So it's been proven to be so advantageous that many think it shouldn't be allowed... yet teams are still operating out of the shotgun on 4th and 18 inches. Just astonishing.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

What astounds me is that more teams don't do it, given its success rate.

But even if they don't adopt the same version as the Eagles, I don't get why more teams don't at least utilize the fact that a running back pushing a QB under center from behind is a huge advantage. So much so that it used to be against the rules (Reggie Bush/Matt Leinart being the famous example). So it's been proven to be so advantageous that many think it shouldn't be allowed... yet teams are still operating out of the shotgun on 4th and 18 inches. Just astonishing.

I think the best version of this is having a big dude take the snap and pushing him like the Ravens did with Mark Andrews. But again, that's rugby.

 

[pittdan77]

What astounds me is that more teams don't do it, given its success rate.

I don't think it's as simple as lining up and pushing the QB a hard but a pro team should be able to figure it out. Helps if you have a few OL-men that can actually move a body or two.

 

[PittPharm2002]

What astounds me is that more teams don't do it, given its success rate.

But even if they don't adopt the same version as the Eagles, I don't get why more teams don't at least utilize the fact that a running back pushing a QB under center from behind is a huge advantage. So much so that it used to be against the rules (Reggie Bush/Matt Leinart being the famous example). So it's been proven to be so advantageous that many think it shouldn't be allowed... yet teams are still operating out of the shotgun on 4th and 18 inches. Just astonishing.

Steelers should do it with Washington or at least have him
In the backfield .
We make the easy things hard .

 

[Parkview57]

We make the easy things hard .

I spot a Pitt fan!

 

[pittbb80]

A great contingent of PITT fans have been waiting for this type of offense for 20 years. Now you're stuck with it.

Shotgun, "exotic" formations, heavy motions, grip it and rip it...

Give me multiple, pro-style offense any day of the week...

I’m probably not knowledgeable enough but I honestly don’t see much of a difference between pro style and college. The eagles and bills operate mostly out of the shot gun. Maybe I missed it but the only times they were under center was for short yardage

I do agree that multiple offenses are better. You have to have a series of plays with the qb under center especially for short yardage. But surprisingly very few colleges do that and few NFL teams have incorporated the tush push

Did either team last night line up under center ?

 

[Parkview57]

Did either team last night line up under center ?

I believe OSU did but Notre Dame did not. But if Pitt had Notre Dame's Quarterback (with Fullback talent) then I would say have it from the gun, but they didn't/don't so in very short yardage get behind center.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

I’m probably not knowledgeable enough but I honestly don’t see much of a difference between pro style and college. The eagles and bills operate mostly out of the shot gun. Maybe I missed it but the only times they were under center was for short yardage

I do agree that multiple offenses are better. You have to have a series of plays with the qb under center especially for short yardage. But surprisingly very few colleges do that and few NFL teams have incorporated the tush push

Did either team last night line up under center ?

The Ravens lined up under center several times. I can't remember if the Bills did or not.

The Eagles offense doesn't look much different then a HS offense - power read, GH Counter, inside zone, bash, etc... It works because they've got the parts to make it work.

To me most college offenses don't carry extensive run games. They major in inside zone, minor in counter. In the NFL, you see a lot more stuff to that regard. You don't see sheer amount of progressive passing attacks.

I said this about the Ravens when they acquired Henry. Henry is at his best when the QB is under center and he can get downhill. By doing that, you limit what you can do with Jackson. Sure, you can boot him and get him out of the pocket but he's never shown to be much of an under center passing QB. Most of his stuff seems to be based off of getting simple defensive coverages due to the option-esque plays they run in gun.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

I believe OSU did but Notre Dame did not. But if Pitt had Notre Dame's Quarterback (with Fullback talent) then I would say have it from the gun, but they didn't/don't so in very short yardage get behind center.

OSU did and it's going to become more and more popular because OC's are finding out that it's much harder to fit the run and play coverage behind it. You can't hide the ball in the gun. Under center football is a bitch to LB or safety, especially when it's matched with motions and shifts.

 

[Parkview57]

Under center football is a bitch to LB or safety, especially when it's matched with motions and shifts.

In high school, if many teams in the conference are in shotgun, I believe the LB's get used to having time to go around blockers and recovering to their gap, but when facing offenses that hand-off, the ball carrier/ lead blocker can get on them very quickly, so the habit of going around the block rather than shed the block can be exploited. You need to have a multiple offense for a lot of different reasons.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

In high school, if many teams in the conference are in shotgun, I believe the LB's get used to having time to go around blockers and recovering to their gap, but when facing offenses that hand-off, the ball carrier/ lead blocker can get on them very quickly, so the habit of going around the block rather than shed the block can be exploited. You need to have a multiple offense for a lot of different reasons.

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