Having Noah Collier running an on-ball screen late in a one possession game.
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The only moving pick call in the game was on Collier who clearly leaned in and used his arms.
UVA must have been taught how to move just enough not to get called. They scored at lest five buckets due to well run screens.
I would hope the Pitt staff would address this aspect of the game as they have been poor at setting screens for years
UVA must have been taught how to move just enough not to get called. They scored at lest five buckets due to well run screens.
I would hope the Pitt staff would address this aspect of the game as they have been poor at setting screens for years
UVA successfully screened
us throughout the game.
They ran the pick and roll
to perfection. When we
switched to zone, they
repeatedly hit their Big
in the lane and continually
made the short, easy shot.
We can criticize our D, but
what I saw was very good
offensive execution by
UVA. D it up all you want,
but good execution by
more talented players
oftentimes overcomes
the D.
us throughout the game.
They ran the pick and roll
to perfection. When we
switched to zone, they
repeatedly hit their Big
in the lane and continually
made the short, easy shot.
We can criticize our D, but
what I saw was very good
offensive execution by
UVA. D it up all you want,
but good execution by
more talented players
oftentimes overcomes
the D.
Question (not exactly on topic)
Players are called for incidental contact, Evelyn moving on screens.
There was a play where Cafarro didn’t just get a piece of or impede Hugley on a baseline line.
He full bodied him and displaced him. That is a seal of. You sometimes even see hands on either side.
Why in hell is that not a foul?
Well Gary, good question.
It very well could have
been a foul. As you know,
basketball calls by the refs
are sometimes very much
subjective. We see it one
way, the refs see it another.
Point in case as I'm watching,
Hugley often initiates the
contact on his inside moves
to the hoop. Opposition
coach and players are all
screaming "offensive charge!"
The other night against UVA
he got away with a lot IMO.
I'm sure Capel and UVA
coach see that in opposite
ways. So....when you and I
might see incidental contact,
hands," or whatever the ref
or opposing coach and his
players see it differently.
It happens. That's basketball.
In fairness- we ran high on-ball screens all night and pretty much every game and have been called for very few illegal screens.
Just a tough call in the moment. Hugley’s flagrant 1 on what should have been an easy 2 or FTs to take the lead was devastating.
That is not what I am talking about. I am not questioning a judgement call here.
I am saying ball screens are called much differently than seal offs. I can not remember ever seeing a seal off called, no matter the degree of contact and displacement involved.
I have seen potential defenders be moved as much as 3 feet.
These seal offs should be every bit as much of a foul as any other foul.
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Yes, it was "a tough call,
but it was a terrible on-
ball screen by Collier. He
moved his arms, and kinda
moved into the defensive
player. He's gotta stay
still in that situation. It
not be fair, but a sub off
the bench, and one as
bad as Collier is, just ain't
gonna get that call. Fair?
Of couse not...but that's
reality.
but it was a terrible on-
ball screen by Collier. He
moved his arms, and kinda
moved into the defensive
player. He's gotta stay
still in that situation. It
not be fair, but a sub off
the bench, and one as
bad as Collier is, just ain't
gonna get that call. Fair?
Of couse not...but that's
reality.
Ok I hear ya. You may never
have seen it, but they have
been called. I'll stick to my
original answer, a lot of it is
in the eye of the beholder.
Deciding who has position,
when and where, is a
judgement call by the ref.
Anyway, you don't have to
agree, that's ok.
No doubt it was a poorly executed screen - but Collier has been setting them all season and throughout the game Wed night - just didn’t execute in thst moment .
My point is sometimes players poorly execute - for all of their problems , setting ball screens has been pretty low on the list. They seem to do a consistently pretty good job setting high ball screens - including Collier .
I’m more worried about why they couldnt defend at all and of course a complete lack of 3 point shooting and offense outside of 4 players than their ability to execute a high ball screen.
Actually I agree with your
point. The difference is it
doesn't really bother me,
because I see it as typical
ref inconsistency which,
like it or not exists in this
game. The big thing here, is
it happened at an important
point in the game, and it really
hurt us. Ref could have let
it go, and UVA would have
been screaming "moving
pick," which in fact it was.
That's how I saw it.
is when
period. Does it happen and
do players get away with it?
Yes, of course. Sometimes
it's called, sometimes not.
My concern and complaint
is when a ref calls it one way
and then changes, sometimes
at the end of a game. That's
the unfair part. Players get
used to a certain ref and his
tendencies, and then he
tightens up, and calls em
tighter or looser. That's poor
officiating. Again reality.
You can't initiate contact,
period. Does it happen and
do players get away with it?
Yes, of course. Sometimes
it's called, sometimes not.
My concern and complaint
is when a ref calls it one way
and then changes, sometimes
at the end of a game. That's
the unfair part. Players get
used to a certain ref and his
tendencies, and then he
tightens up, and calls em
tighter or looser. That's poor
officiating. Again reality.
Bottom line, when setting a
screen you have to remain
still. Sealing off allows for
more movement. Which is
easier? LOL. Hard to answer,
but for me, setting the
screen is easier. Get there
on time, set it, and don't
move. Sealing off takes
somes skills. Bigs are taught
how to seal off.
screen you have to remain
still. Sealing off allows for
more movement. Which is
easier? LOL. Hard to answer,
but for me, setting the
screen is easier. Get there
on time, set it, and don't
move. Sealing off takes
somes skills. Bigs are taught
how to seal off.
By seal off, do you mean a guy basically posting up to prevent the man guarding him from coming over to help a penetrating ballhandler?
Essentially, a box out is a moving screen too -- you are screening the man you are boxing out from getting the rebound. Many box outs are "moving." But it's not a foul.
Sealing off has also been described as “carving a path”.
I have less a problem with it if the offensive player is in front of his defender and essentially just screening him off from being a help defender to a player with the ball having a clear path to the basket.
I have seen players in that position inserting their rear end into their defender and keep pushing back from one side of the lane all the way to the other.
The specific play I am taking about had Hugley positioned on one side of the lane near the baseline. A dribbler started approaching that area. Hugley was facing him. Caffaro contacted Hugley from behind, extended his arms behind encompassing Hugley and kept moving. This created a space 2 foot wide at the baseline for the ball handler to proceed unimpeded to the basket.
In my experience these clear outs are almost never called.
As far as rebounding goes, don’t you think there is a line between strongly protecting good positioning (with some slight movement) and aggressively moving the man behind you back into the next zip code?
It seems to me, contact should be contact, impeding movement should be impeding movement, regardless of the situation.
Why call incidental contact/movement on ball screens or after the shot has left a shooters hands and not call these things fouls?
