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DT_PITT

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** The first time I coached basketball was back in 1989 for a 7th grade team in a Catholic School league that took their basketball quite seriously. I was fortunate enough to be mentored by an experienced coach of the 8th grade squad who had several years under his belt.

** He taught me many things, but one item I will never forget was his recommendation that all the Coaches in the program wear a coat and tie during games. His thought: “If your team is looking bad, everyone will start looking at you on the sidelines and you better look good!”

** By this standard, Pitt Basketball Head Coach might need to start sporting a tuxedo.

** Coaching basketball over time also taught me a number of other things, notably that most parents or fans, regardless of their basketball backgrounds, seem to be pretty sure they know more than you do, and more often than not, they are willing to share with you their wisdom.

** That’s the nature of the occupation I suppose. As a coach, you always went into a game with a plan, sometimes a really good plan, and when you don’t perform well or the plan falters, bystanders can then tell you what you should have done instead.

** There’s a big difference though. Coaching allows a pretty simple antidote to second guessing. That antidote is winning.

** Beyond that, coaching is also about leading your team to being the best team they can be. And in college basketball, you’ve also got to bring in players good enough to win consistently. But again, that’s the nature of the occupation.

** As a fan, what’s made this season so difficult to endure is that it hasn’t been a season creating any kind of belief that Jeff Capel has come close to enabling the group to being the best team they can be.

** What made this game against the Irish this afternoon even more difficult to endure was by no means can one honestly suggest that Notre Dame has better players than we do.

** And therefore, regardless of what he’s wearing, Capel will understandably receive our wrath.

** Personally, I think I’m out of wrath to toss at our Coach. But this game, maybe more than any other during this season, left me at a loss to even begin to understand what his plan is.

** Further, more than any other decision, the use of his bench for a paltry 13 minutes to me seems really ridiculous actually.

** This comes on the heels of two games when Cummings and Amasl made important contributions contributing to needed wins.

** In his postgame news conference, Capel addressed this question about his lack of use of the bench with some sort of mention about Beebah's foul trouble. But shouldn’t the plan instead have been using your bench to elevate the team’s overall play? That’s what most all other coaches do. Especially the winning ones.

** I can’t know if playing the bench more than 13 minutes would have led to a win. I can say that the guy who had previously played only 136 minutes for the Irish playing 10 minutes today was the reason they did.

** Capel also acknowledged that this isn’t the same team that it was at the beginning of the year, which he directed mostly to the absence of Damian Dunn. Apologies Jeff, but I’m just not buying it. The job is to develop an entire team, and it’s almost perplexing how Capel has been resistant to develop, if not even actually utilize Beebah or Amsal or Jorge or Papa.

** In today’s game, it’s also not the case that the crew who played 187 minutes were ever playing that well.

** Another remark from Capel’s post game is how his team was consistently beaten on straight line drives. What I was at a loss to notice was what he thought to do about it.

** Here's another perplexing moment. With one minute to go in the first half, the Panthers collected an ND carom with a chance to push the lead to 4. After crossing half court, 98 out of 100 coaches call their use or lose timeout there. But Capel is one of the two who didn’t. I’ll bet there is another but I don’t know who.

** It was an opportunity to go two for one in the final minute, or at the very least, get a good shot. We did neither. Instead we went into halftime tied.

** What we’ve learned about Capel during his time here is that his coaching philosophy is to let his players play. What Capel maybe should have learned about his team this year is that this is a group who needs to be coached.

** At least to me, it sure doesn’t look like there’s much of that going on.

** But nitpicking Capel for his coaching decisions today really misses the bigger picture, regardless of the reality that these decisions are similar to what we’ve seen from him throughout his time at Pitt. In fact, it reminds me of parents who would come to me after games saying if I had played zone more, not to mention their kid more, we would have won the game.

** The bigger picture is that after 7 years, he will have led the Panthers into one NCAA tournament. Without the antidote of winning, all anyone can offer is to wonder why.

** Earlier this afternoon, I was looking at the record of Ben Howland who was fired following two NIT seasons. Overall, had there been a tournament during Covid, he would have been the tournament 2 times in his seven years.

** I suspect that Coach Capel will be around for year eight. And I’ll be rooting for him and the Panthers to succeed. I really will.

** But after what I’ve seen how for seven years, and the huge job he’s likely going to need to rebuild his roster after this season, I am a long way from optimistic thinking he’s the guy to get it done.

** The good news for Capel is that he’s paid plenty of money to invest in a better wardrobe to wear during games. I fear he’s going to need it.
 
DT….looking at this year…talent or coaching…have our players regressed in how they’re playing…what is the coaching staff doing during practices to improve…need a legimate big—rebounder/enforcer; a sharpshooter; and a lock down defender.

Games like today are disappointing and lead to an apathetic fan base.

Hail to PITT!
-Al-
 
Players play as they practice. This team obviously doesn't practice with any type of plan or objective to improve on any aspect of the game. That's on the coach entirely.

The players are somewhat to blame in that they keep doing the same stupid things over and over and expect a different result, regardless of what Capel wants. That's the definition of insanity. They do have some freedom out there to improvise if they have to. More often than not, they don't. Why? Is Capel too controlling? Are the players lacking in talent? Or are the players lacking good coaching?

Capel is the king of excuses. I don't even listen to him any more because he says the same things on every post-game and nothing ever changes or improves.

DT, you are right that the job that Capel faces going into next year in rebuilding the roster is monstrous. Many (most) of the players on the current roster will either be out of eligibility or will transfer. Capel will need to have a dozen or so portal players ready and waiting to rebuild the roster, then hope he can get commitments from maybe 5 or 6 of them. And once again, this team will lose its identity.
 
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DT_PITT said:

** The bigger picture is that after 7 years, he will have led the Panthers into one NCAA tournament. Without the antidote of winning, all anyone can offer is to wonder why

I remember when Capel came here and after his introduction to the University and media he spoke of how big a fan he was of the Steelers and specifically, Mike Tomlin. Maybe THAT says it all ...
 
** In his postgame news conference, Capel addressed this question about his lack of use of the bench with some sort of mention about Beebah's foul trouble. But shouldn’t the plan instead have been using your bench to elevate the team’s overall play? That’s what most all other coaches do. Especially the winning ones.
In the second half we had 3 team fouls until like 2 minutes left. And then we had 4 until under like 45 second and we had to start fouling to get ND into the bonus. He should have put subs in earlier and let them foul.
 
Capel uses the injury excuse BS.....learned from the Duzz?

maybe he also thinks it's been a successful season, many here agreed with Duzz on both the injury issue and success I guess, enjoy another year of this garbage maybe fall and winter

oh, and did everyone note Capel complimenting the ND crowd? message to Pitt fans that the same is expected of you considering ND's failed season yet fans filling the seats/coffers?

I recall 1 inbounds play coached up for a score, ND somehow has a great coach who can do that

2 for 1 Jeff, let us know that you understand that math because your team displayed that it doesn't, multiple times this year and in yesterday's game at a point when momentum mattered......of course you could've come out of the half and made it moot with effort and execution but that didn't happen either

in fact serious urgency and effort really only seemed to exist in the last minute of 40, the kids wanted it, you didn't coach it, they needed to want it for all 40, you needed to coach all 40

your 1 chance for salvation is offer up NIL, your coaching hasn't earned or deserved the next 5 years

I don't know Heather but she probably was nice and undoubtedly a far overpaid Pitt employee too
 
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DT_PITT said:

** The bigger picture is that after 7 years, he will have led the Panthers into one NCAA tournament. Without the antidote of winning, all anyone can offer is to wonder why

I remember when Capel came here and after his introduction to the University and media he spoke of how big a fan he was of the Steelers and specifically, Mike Tomlin. Maybe THAT says it all ...

Indeed. If you're a fan of the Steelers and Tomlin, I question your reasoning ability.
 
In the second half we had 3 team fouls until like 2 minutes left. And then we had 4 until under like 45 second and we had to start fouling to get ND into the bonus. He should have put subs in earlier and let them foul.


I said in the game thread, with more than a minute left in the game we needed to get super aggressive on defense going for steals. Because if you didn't get them it would just give you more team fouls, and you were going to need to get them to the one and one sooner rather than later.
 
Indeed. If you're a fan of the Steelers and Tomlin, I question your reasoning ability.
I hope that you mean that being a Steelers fan with Tomlin at the helm is the problem. That was what I meant

I've been rooting for the Steelers since 1970 (I suspect you have too, for maybe longer even than I), and I will continue to, regardless of whether they ever win another Super Bowl in my lifetime. But I am ready to see a new HC. The rebuilding and coaching up of players is sorely missing under Tomlin - same with Capel and his staff

FTR, I didn't grow up in Pittsburgh, so my Steelers loyalty began when I matriculated @ Pitt. I haven't lived in Pittsburgh since the mid-'70's; I've moved maybe a dozen times since, and lived in multiple NFL cities, but I still bleed black and gold
 
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I hope that you mean that being a Steelers fan with Tomlin at the helm is the problem. That was what I meant

I've been rooting for the Steelers since 1970 (I suspect you have too, for maybe longer even than I), and I will continue to, regardless of whether they ever win another Super Bowl in my lifetime. But I am ready to see a new HC. The rebuilding and coaching up of players is sorely missing under Tomlin - same with Capel and his staff

FTR, I didn't grow up in Pittsburgh, so my Steelers loyalty began when I matriculated @ Pitt. I haven't lived in Pittsburgh since the mid-'70's; I've moved maybe a dozen times since, and lived in multiple NFL cities, but I still bleed black and gold

Yes, Steelers and Tomlin are now joined at the hip. If the Steelers someday hire a decent coach again, I'll be on board. I knew that's what you meant.
 
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“We didn’t play with the intelligence and the commitment and the discipline, defensively especially, that we needed to.”

Capel has not been critical of his team’s effort. He said the team is engaged in practice, stays connected to the scouting report and is not suffering from a crisis of leadership.

There in lies the problem. If the team isn’t playing with intelligence, commitment, and discipline then clearly they are NOT putting in the right effort and have poor leadership.

Look in the mirror coach. Thats on you. You play like you practice and you are responsible for that
 
“We didn’t play with the intelligence and the commitment and the discipline, defensively especially, that we needed to.”

Capel has not been critical of his team’s effort. He said the team is engaged in practice, stays connected to the scouting report and is not suffering from a crisis of leadership.

There in lies the problem. If the team isn’t playing with intelligence, commitment, and discipline then clearly they are NOT putting in the right effort and have poor leadership.

Look in the mirror coach. Thats on you. You play like you practice and you are responsible for that
Maybe Capel needs to go viral and yell publicly about the team, a la Shrewsbury did with ND. Have a starting lineup vs GT that looks something like Delalic, Cummings, Kante, G, and Austin. Give Lowe, Leggett, and Corhen some minutes off the bench, but don't start them. Maybe don't play them until one of the above 5 gets two fouls in the first half

The above paragraph will never happen, but what I/we all witnessed yesterday was insanity at its very definition
 
Maybe Capel needs to go viral and yell publicly about the team, a la Shrewsbury did with ND. Have a starting lineup vs GT that looks something like Delalic, Cummings, Kante, G, and Austin. Give Lowe, Leggett, and Corhen some minutes off the bench, but don't start them. Maybe don't play them until one of the above 5 gets two fouls in the first half

The above paragraph will never happen, but what I/we all witnessed yesterday was insanity at its very definition
Or maybe have much tougher practices. I’m a big believer in you play the way you practice. The fact that this team is soft and lacks discipline indicates to me practices are a joke
 
Or maybe have much tougher practices. I’m a big believer in you play the way you practice. The fact that this team is soft and lacks discipline indicates to me practices are a joke

Agree. I said much the same thing in a previous post in this thread about they play the way they practice. That's an indictment on Capel. Capel's practices probably look a lot like what playground ball looked like when we were kids. Just roll the ball out there and let them throw up some shots.

These kids lack toughness and their practices must be soft as hell. One of the reasons Dixon's teams always showed up and won with defense and rebounding is because their practices were tougher than actual games.
 
Just roll the ball out there and let them throw up some shots.
It was obvious with some coaching Pitt could have controlled the last 4 minutes of that game, IMO. Notre Dame was terrible in the situation they found themselves in, they kept fouling which stopped the clock, they threw the ball away for no real reason a few times, they couldn't get the ball in and had to call time outs, just a lousy, poorly prepared (to hold a lead late) team. Notre Dame did get into a press breaker once they got the ball in that reversed the ball and opened up the floor, but it took a couple of minutes...
 
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