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O.T. -- Sad story about Mike McQueary...(link)

He wouldn't have been hired anywhere else. All tho he did send a few decent receivers to the NFL, I've always felt he was a pity hire by Paterno.
 
It is sad that Mike tried to do the right thing, but was ostracized by the PS community for speaking out against the cover up of children being raped.
 
PitterPanther said:
He wouldn't have been hired anywhere else. All tho he did send a few decent receivers to the NFL, I've always felt he was a pity hire by Paterno.
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Maybe...but he does have at least one degree from UPS.

Shouldn't some influential UPS alumnus give a former Nit football coach a job in some other capacity? It's unfortunate that they've branded the guy as persona non grata - for doing the right thing.
 
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Real whistle blowers don't only go to their supervisors they go outside the corrupt organization for help!
McQueary keep it in the " family" and was lucky he wasn't floating down the Susquehana like the assistant DA.
With what he witnessed and seeing that nothing was happening he should have gone to an outside agency that had no connection to Nitter U or Nitter football.
Many business people go directly to the SEC when they see business fraud within their organizations.
Many years ago I had a boss who " cooked the books." I went to his boss to report the issue and told him if nothing happened I had the SEC on speed dial. My boss got fired and I continued with my career for another 18 years. But I was ready to go outside which is what real whistle blowers do!
 
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The whole sordid mess is sad. From the children (now adults) who have had their lives so negatively affected, to the black-eye on the state and college football, that will not go away for a long time. When I head back to "the old country" (South Carolina) I am literally embarrassed to admit I have been in Pa for the last 45 years when I run into my old teammates / classmates and make sure that hey know I have been a Pitt fan since '72 when a fine southern gentlemen led Pitt back to the top of College football!
 
BuffetParrothead said:
Real whistle blowers don't only go to their supervisors they go outside the corrupt organization for help!
McQueary keep it in the " family" and was lucky he wasn't floating down the Susquehana like the assistant DA.
With what he witnessed and seeing that nothing was happening he should have gone to an outside agency that had no connection to Nitter U or Nitter football.
Many business people go directly to the SEC when they see business fraud within their organizations.
Many years ago I had a boss who " cooked the books." I went to his boss to report the issue and told him if nothing happened I had the SEC on speed dial. My boss got fired and I continued with my career for another 18 years. But I was ready to go outside which is what real whistle blowers do!
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Not that simple in his case. In your case I'm sure you understood your options. In his I believe he was pretty shocked and didn't know where to turn outside of his family and Joe .
 
BuffetParrothead said:
Real whistle blowers don't only go to their supervisors they go outside the corrupt organization for help!
McQueary keep it in the " family" and was lucky he wasn't floating down the Susquehana like the assistant DA.
With what he witnessed and seeing that nothing was happening he should have gone to an outside agency that had no connection to Nitter U or Nitter football.
Many business people go directly to the SEC when they see business fraud within their organizations.
Many years ago I had a boss who " cooked the books." I went to his boss to report the issue and told him if nothing happened I had the SEC on speed dial. My boss got fired and I continued with my career for another 18 years. But I was ready to go outside which is what real whistle blowers do!
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He didn't go outside the network because he didn't have a 100% story. I've read a lot of testimony MM changed over the years to what he saw and who he contacted. Just recently the boy in the shower (AM/Victim 2) was on the stand in Sanduskys retrial bid and said originally he wasn't molested in the shower or at anytime and that he never saw MM or heard a locker slam. Then after other victims started to receive money, he contacted a lawyer and changed his story. Now whether he wasn't comfortable in the beginning is one thing but why hide at that time when first asked? Also, the fact that they said he was only known to god but new evidence shows the original prosecution went to his house, so they must have known something. All in all, this case seems way outta wack and MM might not get his millions and Jerry might get a retrial. As sad as it all sounds.
 
That's not really true. Both the prosecution and defense didn't want to put Meyers on the stand. And McQueary's testimony didn't really change .
 
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He didn't go outside the network because he didn't have a 100% story. I've read a lot of testimony MM changed over the years to what he saw and who he contacted. Just recently the boy in the shower (AM/Victim 2) was on the stand in Sanduskys retrial bid and said originally he wasn't molested in the shower or at anytime and that he never saw MM or heard a locker slam. Then after other victims started to receive money, he contacted a lawyer and changed his story. Now whether he wasn't comfortable in the beginning is one thing but why hide at that time when first asked? Also, the fact that they said he was only known to god but new evidence shows the original prosecution went to his house, so they must have known something. All in all, this case seems way outta wack and MM might not get his millions and Jerry might get a retrial. As sad as it all sounds.
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The MM changing his testimony story is one of the classic PEDO cultist talking points. FAct is regardless of subtle nuances MM has always stated that JErr bear was alone naked in a shower with a young boy on a Friday evening with no one around. Now maybe that's normal and not a crime in happy valley but for the rest of the sane world it's not

No doubt MM was a coward for not going directly to the police. CLearly he knew doing that was career suicude as Paturdo was the law and judge in. Happy valley. He knew he'd get thrown under the bus much like the PEDOs did at his trial. Football is king at PSU. Anyone who gets in the way of the programs success is just considered collateral damage
 
elvis63 said:
Not that simple in his case. In your case I'm sure you understood your options. In his I believe he was pretty shocked and didn't know where to turn outside of his family and Joe .
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State police, PA child protective services off the top of my head.
Not the local police since Im sure they're part of it in some way!
 
PitterPanther said:
He didn't go outside the network because he didn't have a 100% story. I've read a lot of testimony MM changed over the years to what he saw and who he contacted. Just recently the boy in the shower (AM/Victim 2) was on the stand in Sanduskys retrial bid and said originally he wasn't molested in the shower or at anytime and that he never saw MM or heard a locker slam. Then after other victims started to receive money, he contacted a lawyer and changed his story. Now whether he wasn't comfortable in the beginning is one thing but why hide at that time when first asked? Also, the fact that they said he was only known to god but new evidence shows the original prosecution went to his house, so they must have known something. All in all, this case seems way outta wack and MM might not get his millions and Jerry might get a retrial. As sad as it all sounds.
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How could he not have 100% of the story when he was an eye witness to Sandusky screwing a kid in the shower of a Nitter football building.
That's 120% of the story!!!!!
 
BuffetParrothead said:
State police, PA child protective services off the top of my head.
Not the local police since Im sure they're part of it in some way!
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Again , not that simple. The psu police would have done nothing with it.

He wouldn't think of going to the state police initially.
 
In Hindsight he should of done more!You people do realize Mr McQueary has a couple of skeletons in his closet that just ",might" of driven his wife away?
 
I realize that paterno was judge jury and executioner but he was a grown man and went to his employment manager to report a crime.
 
PitterPanther said:
He didn't go outside the network because he didn't have a 100% story. I've read a lot of testimony MM changed over the years to what he saw and who he contacted. Just recently the boy in the shower (AM/Victim 2) was on the stand in Sanduskys retrial bid and said originally he wasn't molested in the shower or at anytime and that he never saw MM or heard a locker slam. Then after other victims started to receive money, he contacted a lawyer and changed his story. Now whether he wasn't comfortable in the beginning is one thing but why hide at that time when first asked? Also, the fact that they said he was only known to god but new evidence shows the original prosecution went to his house, so they must have known something. All in all, this case seems way outta wack and MM might not get his millions and Jerry might get a retrial. As sad as it all sounds.
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Most child sex abuse happen without witnesses. This case is rare in that in had 2, except the janitor became mentally unable to testify in the very early incident. Truly disturbing that anyone could attack the credibility of McQuery. He was as Blue & White as they come. What did he have to gain by turning in Sandusky? Why would he need to lie? What part of Man, Boy, Horseplay, Shower seems okay to you? What innocent men say "You must hate me, I wish I was dead" after being confronted by the mother in the 1998 case.

Truthers like Zieglar & that other one who posts everywhere (Blehar??) are really some sick dudes. There is more evidence than the OJ trial in this one.
 
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elvis63 said:
Not that simple in his case. In your case I'm sure you understood your options. In his I believe he was pretty shocked and didn't know where to turn outside of his family and Joe .
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I agree. Sure, he was an adult, and he "should've" known better.

But in that situation, he thought that he was turning to a guy (JVP) whom he completely trusted.

In hindsight, that was his mistake. Jopa was a snake-in-the-grass who was a first-class expert on sweeping things under the rug. I don't know McQueary, but he seems like the kind of guy who genuinely expected Paterno to do much, much more with the information that McQueary gave him. Instead, Paterno put his football program first, and didn't do anything of significance. Heck, he didn't even want to ruin anyone's weekend by immediately taking it to his superiors.
 
Did MM do everything within his power to stop the act from happening then and in the future? No, he could have done more. But at least he tried to do something, probably the only thing he thought he could do within the context of the football program. And lets say he did go straight to the police and Sandusky was arrested and charged right there. Maybe his football career continues, who knows. But is he treated any differently by PSU fans in that scenario? I don't think so...I think he would still be ostracized and shunned by the PSU community for the damage this would have still caused to their program.

Also quite telling when you look at the PG comments on the article and you find one PSU fan after another chastising MM for not doing enough, lying, etc... Doesn't seem like he has much sympathy at all within their ranks. A lot of misguided hate directed towards him when it should be directed higher up.
 
No matter your opinion, it's a scary lesson that you can lose every you have -- family, friends, pride, money -- in an instant. Very gut wrenching. Not being hired in the world of football I understand, but Rite Aid?
 
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No matter your opinion, it's a scary lesson that you can lose every you have -- family, friends, pride, money -- in an instant. Very gut wrenching. Not being hired in the world of football I understand, but Rite Aid?
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Yup. Hopefully he can take the money and move somewhere where the guy down at the Rite Aid doesn't know who he is.
 
Any of you on this board who have seen me post know that I am a reasonable person. I don't want to get into the who knew what and when kind of useless debate. That said, I do not feel sorry for McQueary at all in this. I think it was ridiculous that he won any kind of monetary award. My only sympathy in any of this is for the child in the shower that night. I don't know if he saw Mike that night. The day that Mike could have stepped in and saved him but didn't. But if he did, how horrible must that have felt. Being left there. I don't care who Mike went to the next day. I don't care if he tried to do the right thing after. Knowing that he left that child there, helpless, tells me all I ever need to know about him.
 
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Panther Parrothead said:
It's really a good story, but one wonders why it took the P/G so long to write this?

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...nt-coach-s-life-sandusky/stories/201611040207
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I read this on Sunday and it managed to get me even more pissed off about those pricks in the cult. The only guy in that cess pool who did the right thing gets his life ruined because he put a football program in jeopardy.

And it makes me wonder even more how the 3 stooges still haven't gone to trial.

But in the end, I guess every thing is A-OK. The Nits are 7-2 and back in the rankings. That's all that matters to those bastards.
 
GoPennState97 said:
Any of you on this board who have seen me post know that I am a reasonable person. I don't want to get into the who knew what and when kind of useless debate. That said, I do not feel sorry for McQueary at all in this. I think it was ridiculous that he won any kind of monetary award. My only sympathy in any of this is for the child in the shower that night. I don't know if he saw Mike that night. The day that Mike could have stepped in and saved him but didn't. But if he did, how horrible must that have felt. Being left there. I don't care who Mike went to the next day. I don't care if he tried to do the right thing after. Knowing that he left that child there, helpless, tells me all I ever need to know about him.
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Typical. Of course you don't want to get into the who knew what and when debate.
 
BuffetParrothead said:
Real whistle blowers don't only go to their supervisors they go outside the corrupt organization for help!
McQueary keep it in the " family" and was lucky he wasn't floating down the Susquehana like the assistant DA.
With what he witnessed and seeing that nothing was happening he should have gone to an outside agency that had no connection to Nitter U or Nitter football.
Many business people go directly to the SEC when they see business fraud within their organizations.
Many years ago I had a boss who " cooked the books." I went to his boss to report the issue and told him if nothing happened I had the SEC on speed dial. My boss got fired and I continued with my career for another 18 years. But I was ready to go outside which is what real whistle blowers do!
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It's easy to say that McQueery should have done more and probably he should have. But put yourself in his shoes and consider the environment he worked in. The man had to have been petrified. If he should have done more, what should Saint Joe have done?
 
wbrpanther said:
It's easy to say that McQueery should have done more and probably he should have. But put yourself in his shoes and consider the environment he worked in. The man had to have been petrified. If he should have done more, what should Saint Joe have done?
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I can't give McQueary a pass because of his work environment. He was there in the moment and he could have saved a child from a horrible fate and he didn't. The world honors people who make the right choice. If he did, then he would have had a career and a life. At best, you are saying he let the child be abused to save himself. That is the exact thing that you are saying that Paterno did. Why should McQueary get a pass?
 
wbrpanther said:
Typical. Of course you don't want to get into the who knew what and when debate.
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there is no point in that. I don't know any more about who knew what and when than you do. The only one we know exactly how they found out and when is Mike McQueary. He let it continue and I have no respect for that.

I am not from Pennsylvania originally and , I didn't see my first college football game until 1994 when I was a sophomore. So most of the glory days of Penn State football and Joe Paterno where before my time. Since I have been a fan, the Penn State - Pitt rivalry has been almost non existent. I am far from an apologist for anything that happened relating to Sandusky. I am a Penn State graduate and the misdeeds of a couple people, even powerful people, do not change what I have accomplished in my academic and professional career. Some of the posters here revel in the fact that there was a scandal, any scandal, at Penn State. You refer to us as Ped State and rejoice when any news comes out harmful to the university. Pedophiles are in all walks of life and in every community. Most are never detected and reported. Most are never criminally charged. The best chance of stopping one is with an eye witness account. Mike had that chance and did nothing.
 
GoPennState97 said:
there is no point in that. I don't know any more about who knew what and when than you do. The only one we know exactly how they found out and when is Mike McQueary. He let it continue and I have no respect for that.

I am not from Pennsylvania originally and , I didn't see my first college football game until 1994 when I was a sophomore. So most of the glory days of Penn State football and Joe Paterno where before my time. Since I have been a fan, the Penn State - Pitt rivalry has been almost non existent. I am far from an apologist for anything that happened relating to Sandusky. I am a Penn State graduate and the misdeeds of a couple people, even powerful people, do not change what I have accomplished in my academic and professional career. Some of the posters here revel in the fact that there was a scandal, any scandal, at Penn State. You refer to us as Ped State and rejoice when any news comes out harmful to the university. Pedophiles are in all walks of life and in every community. Most are never detected and reported. Most are never criminally charged. The best chance of stopping one is with an eye witness account. Mike had that chance and did nothing.
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Mike did more than enough . The onus of this is on the three and Harmon.
 
GoPennState97 said:
there is no point in that. I don't know any more about who knew what and when than you do. The only one we know exactly how they found out and when is Mike McQueary. He let it continue and I have no respect for that.

I am not from Pennsylvania originally and , I didn't see my first college football game until 1994 when I was a sophomore. So most of the glory days of Penn State football and Joe Paterno where before my time. Since I have been a fan, the Penn State - Pitt rivalry has been almost non existent. I am far from an apologist for anything that happened relating to Sandusky. I am a Penn State graduate and the misdeeds of a couple people, even powerful people, do not change what I have accomplished in my academic and professional career. Some of the posters here revel in the fact that there was a scandal, any scandal, at Penn State. You refer to us as Ped State and rejoice when any news comes out harmful to the university. Pedophiles are in all walks of life and in every community. Most are never detected and reported. Most are never criminally charged. The best chance of stopping one is with an eye witness account. Mike had that chance and did nothing.
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You're "far from an apologist," but here you are on a non-Penn State message board fulfilling that role as in the most stereotypical form of a cult member. It was far from just "a couple of people." The continuing defense of the morally reprehensible conduct of your university in these matters, the continued culture of worship of football and idolization of a despicable coach, and their continued efforts to whitewash history as a matter of the intransigence to change, impacts the view that the world has about your character. You willingly associate yourself with filth, and you suffer the consequences of such association.
 
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wbrpanther said:
I read this on Sunday and it managed to get me even more pissed off about those pricks in the cult. The only guy in that cess pool who did the right thing gets his life ruined because he put a football program in jeopardy.

And it makes me wonder even more how the 3 stooges still haven't gone to trial.

But in the end, I guess every thing is A-OK. The Nits are 7-2 and back in the rankings. That's all that matters to those bastards.
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They haven't gone to trial because they had psu paying their bills and could file motion after motion.
 
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