Oat--Hate the NE Patriots

[DC_Area_Panther]

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[WNYPanther]

I hate the Pats and the Giants (actually hate Eli not really the Giants) but the Giants got screwed on that overturned TD. How many friggin moves does a guy need to make in the endzone? Control the ball, 2 feet down & that should be it since its a dead ball at that point. Now you can knock it loose after the fact? What a joke.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I hate the Pats and the Giants (actually hate Eli not really the Giants) but the Giants got screwed on that overturned TD. How many friggin moves does a guy need to make in the endzone? Control the ball, 2 feet down & that should be it since its a dead ball at that point. Now you can knock it loose after the fact? What a joke.

You need to feet planted to complete a catch , pretty basic rule
It was incomplete.
That's been the rule for years.

 

[WNYPanther]

Looked like 2 feet were down to me the the ball was knocked out just after the 2nd hit.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

By the way, if the Giants knowledgeable and experienced head coach hadn't completely screwed up the end of the game timing/play issues the Giants almost certainly would have won the game. There is no way, and I mean no way, that you can pass the ball in that situation with 2:06 left on the clock and the opponents having only one timeout left. That decision gave the Patriots an extra 36 seconds on the clock to work with. Seems like those 36 seconds came in awful handy there at the end.

 

[BFo8]

Coughlin is probably the worst clock management coach that I've ever seen, and thats really saying something. But who am I to say, after all Coughlin "played the game".

 

[USN_Panther]

By the way, if the Giants knowledgeable and experienced head coach hadn't completely screwed up the end of the game timing/play issues the Giants almost certainly would have won the game. There is no way, and I mean no way, that you can pass the ball in that situation with 2:06 left on the clock and the opponents having only one timeout left. That decision gave the Patriots an extra 36 seconds on the clock to work with. Seems like those 36 seconds came in awful handy there at the end.

I did not see the game, but with 2:06 left, isn't the two minute warning coming up to stop the clock regardless of if the play is a run or pass? NE would not need to burn a timeout. Now if the play doesn't get the clock down to 2:00, then that is a problem. Is that what happened?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I did not see the game, but with 2:06 left, isn't the two minute warning coming up to stop the clock regardless of if the play is a run or pass? NE would not need to burn a timeout. Now if the play doesn't get the clock down to 2:00, then that is a problem. Is that what happened?

First down ended at 2:01, before the two minute warning .
Incomplete pass stopping the clock.
The Giants inexplicably only chewed up 22 seconds with first and goal for the go ahead fg.
Then dropped the game winning interception.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Looked like 2 feet were down to me the the ball was knocked out just after the 2nd hit.

Which isn't completing the catch.

 

[MrGee]

You need to feet planted to complete a catch , pretty basic rule
It was incomplete.
That's been the rule for years.

There's more to it than that, and Chris C and Al Michaels had a long conversation about it on the Seattle telecast---seems no one knows what a catch is

 

[Pitt79]

I hate the Pats and the Giants (actually hate Eli not really the Giants) but the Giants got screwed on that overturned TD. How many friggin moves does a guy need to make in the endzone? Control the ball, 2 feet down & that should be it since its a dead ball at that point. Now you can knock it loose after the fact? What a joke.

Disagree, you have to control the ball ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND! The NFL is ridiculous, but after some of the REAL TDs that I've seen overturned because a guy lost the ball after taking 3 steps and falling down, no way they deserve this one. I don't get how they even signaled TD in the 1st place when the ball came out? There rules are so convoluted nobody knows what they are?

 

[Pitt79]

Looked like 2 feet were down to me the the ball was knocked out just after the 2nd hit.

If that's the case, then why if your 2 feet are down and you have control do you have to hold it if you fall down after? Should just be TD then! he held it, 2 feet down, play over! TD! Then if you fall on your own and it's jarred loose, too late play was already over.

 

[Pitt79]

Which isn't completing the catch.

Then the funny thing is, why in the middle of the field are you allowed to loose the ball on contact with the ground and it's still a catch? In the Steelers/Bengals game, Bengals receiver caught the ball, and reached out to get the 1st down and the ball popped out, they gave him a catch and a 1st down, why was it a catch? He didn't control the ball all the way to the ground.

 

[Pitt79]

There's more to it than that, and Chris C and Al Michaels had a long conversation about it on the Seattle telecast---seems no one knows what a catch is

This is the real truth! They need to simplify the definition of a catch and scrap replay and just accept whatever the call on the field is. It's just as accurate as what you get after wasting 10 minutes on a review.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

If that's the case, then why if your 2 feet are down and you have control do you have to hold it if you fall down after? Should just be TD then! he held it, 2 feet down, play over! TD! Then if you fall on your own and it's jarred loose, too late play was already over.

Which is how it was ruled on the field.
Replay overturned it, because he wasn't maintaining position to complete the catch as the ball got hit as his we putting down his second foot.

 

[Pitt79]

Which is how it was ruled on the field.
Replay overturned it, because he wasn't maintaining position to complete the catch as the ball got hit as his we putting down his second foot.

What about that one a few years back, where Calvin Johnson caught it in the end zone and took like 3-4 steps with possession, then dropped it and it was ruled incomplete? He had his 2nd, 3rd and 4th foot down, he was practically a centipede.

 

[Jeffburgh]

There's more to it than that, and Chris C and Al Michaels had a long conversation about it on the Seattle telecast---seems no one knows what a catch is

I want to think that a few years ago they changed the rule as to how it works in the endzone - it isn't just two feet or whatever, it has to be control to the end of the play or something ... Which I thought was odd when the rule on bring into the endzone on a run, run after catch, return overhwatever is that all the ball has to do is break the endzone by so much as a flee's hair and if you fumble it or lose control of it still is a TD ...

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

What about that one a few years back, where Calvin Johnson caught it in the end zone and took like 3-4 steps with possession, then dropped it and it was ruled incomplete? He had his 2nd, 3rd and 4th foot down, he was practically a centipede.

That one and dez Bryant last year were way worse than that ruling .

 

[Pitt79]

I want to think that a few years ago they changed the rule as to how it works in the endzone - it isn't just two feet or whatever, it has to be control to the end of the play or something ... Which I thought was odd when the rule on bring into the endzone on a run, run after catch, return overhwatever is that all the ball has to do is break the endzone by so much as a flee's hair and if you fumble it or lose control of it still is a TD ...

Yup, this is the BS of it. Let's say you run it in and as you break the plane you fumble? Shouldn't it be a fumble. since you didn't complete the play and hold on to the ball throughout the fall to the turf? The game is being ruined by too many rules and inconsistent rules. You could eliminate 50% of football's rules and nobody would notice or care.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Yup, this is the BS of it. Let's say you run it in and as you break the plane you fumble? Shouldn't it be a fumble. since you didn't complete the play and hold on to the ball throughout the fall to the turf? The game is being ruined by too many rules and inconsistent rules. You could eliminate 50% of football's rules and nobody would notice or care.

Right--they need to fix the inconsistency between running it in and passing it in scoring. For catch endzone rule should become--catch it without bobbling get 1 foot down and then second foot down before defender knocks it loose you have scored. Defender needs to have knocked ball loose before 2nd foot touches for it to be not a TD. This would be more consistent with the run scored TD rules which already differ from fumble rules not in the endzone.