New this season . Refs can call a technical . I think they rightly called one onhinson early in the year . Since then ive watched a lot of games and the flopping still goes on at a rapid pace yet i haven’t seen a technical call since .This isnt about refs screwing Pitt its about a new rule which seems to be ignored
Obnoxious flopping rule
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i hope they dont call technical on this unless it's extreme and even then, probably not in favor of it.
I see a huge increase in charging calls though in college hoops this year and even last year. any contact at all and the defender goes down and it's negatively effecting the product.. its why you see teams like us shooting 30+ three pointers every game, it's not worth trying to drive cause 50% of the time it leads to an offensive charge..
but refs can simply just "let them play." A few times a defender flops and there is no call, and the offensive player gets an uncontested layup cause the defender is on his back, that will stop this nonsense pretty quickly..
I see a huge increase in charging calls though in college hoops this year and even last year. any contact at all and the defender goes down and it's negatively effecting the product.. its why you see teams like us shooting 30+ three pointers every game, it's not worth trying to drive cause 50% of the time it leads to an offensive charge..
but refs can simply just "let them play." A few times a defender flops and there is no call, and the offensive player gets an uncontested layup cause the defender is on his back, that will stop this nonsense pretty quickly..
I liked it better when if a guy scored and then charged the basket would still count. Because charging is the biggest scam. They act like it's so clear when someone has "position" and it really isn't, it's a judgement call and they usually don't favor big guys who are charged into and they often call it when someone falls down, you can be charged into and never lose your position or never fall down, but if the charging guy doesn't knock you over you don't get the call, leading to the flopping.
How about if any defender goes to the ground, it’s a block, unless the defender clearly gets blasted? The flopping that they don’t call hasn’t gotten better. I see 230lb dudes slide on their backs from the foul line to the basket after a 180lb point guard makes contact with his forearm.
Stop rewarding flopping and it will end, or at least be cut down. I played basketball in high school against a kid who constantly flopped. He did it one play and landed into his teammate’s knee and knocked him out for of the season.
I was actually thinking that during the Pitt/Lou game after a few charges were called on both teams. It really doesn't make sense to drive to the basket anymore because there will always be guys waiting for you to run them over. Its awful awful basketball and they need to clean it up. Pitt has been flopping just as much as their opponents. I have said before that any time a defender falls, it has to be an automatic block. If they stay on their feet, they can still, by rule, draw a charge. Too many of these guys are trying to trick the refs and not playing real defense. They need to overcorrect it by calling fouls on falling players.
Players should not be rewarded for putting themselves in dangerous positions. Catapulting yourself to the floor to sell a charge call puts the player and the rest of the guys on the floor in a more unsafe position, and should almost automatically result in a no-call or a block unless it’s ultra, ultra blatant.
I also hate the “scoot over to the other side of the lane to get in the way of a driving player just to eat a potential charge call.” You weren’t in position, you can’t be in position, and it should be a block almost every time. It shouldn’t be rewarded with a charge.
Then if a tiny guy say, 170 pounds, charges into a 250-pound guy who is like a brick wall, and the little guy bounces off, call the charge on the little guy who's laying on the floor looking up at the big guy who didn't move. Don't expect the big guy to have to be knocked over to get the call.
It isn't really a new rule this year. The rule last year (and for the last couple of years) was that the first flopping violation was a warning and the second was a technical. All they did this year was to take out the warning and go straight to the technical.
The fact that you don't understand how ridiculous that would be says a lot. So I can blast into you going 100 mph and as long as when I do I knock you on your ass the foul is on you and not me. Yeah, that's going to help solve the problem.
If you want to stop the problem, stop allowing off ball defenders draw charges. No need for a restricted arc, you can't get a charge, play defense. But you simply cannot stop calling charges when a guy with the ball plows into an on ball defender simply because the guy with the ball ran into the player hard enough to cause him to fall.
Block / charge has been the hardest call in basketball for decades. All of the new changes to clear it up haven’t really done much. My best advice is to simply live with it and it’s imperfections.
Along the same lines, I’ve always like the motto of Jay Bilas-if it’s not an obvious charge then it’s a block. In our last game, they were calling everything a charge - but it was consistent both ways so it didn’t bother me much.
I rewatch most games and most block/charge/flop calls and even with several slow mo replays, it’s so close I just can’t really tell what the right call was.
For me, most of the time, the call is the call and it’s easiest to just live with it.
Here’s one more thing. In the 2007 Duke game, Levance said he took the three at the end because the refs were calling lots of charges that game so he took the step back instead of trying to drive. That sounds like a better plan than trying to leave it to a 50-50 call with the imperfections of the human eye and perception.
I think the off ball defender not being able to draw a charge would help, because I think a lot of those are the ones that they get wrong. Because a ref who is paying attention to the ball isn't really looking at that guy, so it's hard to know if he was set before the guy with the ball started the shooting motion. And a ref who is looking at the off ball defender really doesn't see when the guy with the ball starts his shooting motion.
Those are also the plays that end up with the biggest collisions and the highest chance of injury. So just cut them out all together. And leave the rest of it alone.
