http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/238/class/2015
You idiots don't even bother to look at the facts.
You idiots don't even bother to look at the facts.
Oh Yeah... Stallings Can't Recruit
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Never higher than 6th in the weak SEC.
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
When was the last time Pitt recruited 4x 4 stars? You didn't even look at the link - you don't want facts to get in the way of a good yinzer geezer rant.
And still never better than 6th in the weak SEC.
And with his 2 or 3 NBA level players this year, he went 19-13 in the weak SEC..... and took a preseason Top 20 team to the first four as an 11 seed.
That's our new coach.
Paul Evans with a worse personality.
Under Dixon we did recruit a few 4 stars who somehow became 2 stars or left the program once basketball started. Its the PITT 50% rule so we need 8 stars which after applying the PITT 50% rule will give us 4 stars.
This used to apply to football so let hope Narduzzi has a new formula!
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17 years in a weaker SEC and he is 4 games under .500
Boring. You're entitled to your opinion...don't ever berate someone and call them an idiot because their opinion is different. Grow up.
What good are 4 stars if you don't do anything with them?
From the Sporting News:
"Pitt’s difficult recruiting circumstance as a newish member of the ACC, with a lean local talent base and no pipeline to a productive region, seems unlikely to be repaired by Stallings. His classes at Vandy never ranked higher than sixth in the SEC according to 247 Sports and seven times ranked in double-digits. He recruited far and wide because he represented an elite private school with more stringent academic requirements. He had players from 11 states and one foreign country on his 2015-16 roster. How’s that going to translate to Pitt?"
Posted this in another thread. Stallings recruiting classes rank within the SEC confernce (first year has 14 since Mizzou and A&M were included even though they didn't join until 2012) Best he ever did was 6th. Data from 247 Sports.
Link to entire article:
http://www.anchorofgold.com/2015/2/...l-coaches-hot-seat-kevin-stallings-vanderbilt
Year Points Rank
2003 14.44 #14
2004 38.32 #9
2005 28.56 #11
2006 37.88 #6
2007 33.25 #11
2008 46.07 #6
2009 29.01 #12
2010 40.54 #10
2011 45.98 #6
2012 26.21 #14
2013 32.01 #10
2014 41.89 #6
2015 37.56 #8
Link to entire article:
http://www.anchorofgold.com/2015/2/...l-coaches-hot-seat-kevin-stallings-vanderbilt
Year Points Rank
2003 14.44 #14
2004 38.32 #9
2005 28.56 #11
2006 37.88 #6
2007 33.25 #11
2008 46.07 #6
2009 29.01 #12
2010 40.54 #10
2011 45.98 #6
2012 26.21 #14
2013 32.01 #10
2014 41.89 #6
2015 37.56 #8
Good information! Its amazing that Barnes and Gallagher don't have a PC with a search function so they could find this information prior to offering the job to Stallings.
If this goes bad its on Barnes but this is also a huge negative for Gallagher!
This is why some U's dump athletics or deemphasize them. These days U sports are difficult to manage! PITT made this one a lot more difficult than it should have been!
This year he was 19-13 with 2 possible #1 picks and another who someone ranked in the top 75-80 in draft. Then got bounced in play in game. Sounds good.
Let's hope that a "change of jobs and locations" will help change this dude around.
We'll see
That's my biggest concern too. I went to their first four game this year without studying their lineup. None of them stood out to me as being NBA caliber so I guess that speaks to how they were being used.
Vanderbilt is Northwestern. Its an incredibally tough place to recruit to and there is no local talent in Nashville. The fact that Vanderbilt didn't totally suck always impressed me. Stallings's teams usually were more talented than Dixon's. He's a better recruiter, but not as good a coach.
You have to consider how difficult it is to recruit to Vandy.
It doesn't matter how well you recruit if that doesn't translate into on-court success.
I know that some of you can't seem to wrap your minds around that concept but it's unassailably true.
Stallings has to win fairly big fairly soon or this is all going to cave in on him and Barnes. There's just no question about that.
I know that some of you can't seem to wrap your minds around that concept but it's unassailably true.
Stallings has to win fairly big fairly soon or this is all going to cave in on him and Barnes. There's just no question about that.
Here are some other facts--I compared Stallings vs Dixon recruiting for the past 13 years on 24/7 sports..
Pitt's average class was #41; Vanderbilt's #49.
i also compared Pitt's average end of season Sagarin ranking to Vanderbilt's.
Pitt averaged #22; Vanderbilt #50
So Pitt outperformed its recruiting dramatically while Vanderbilt basically matched it.
This even holds over the past 5 years--
Pitt recruiting averaged #60 while its Sagarin rating averaged #41
Vanderbilt recruiting averaged ##55 while its Sagarin rating avraged #45.
Bottom line, Stallings is average coach and recruiter and Dixon was a clearly better at coaching them up.
Not apples to apples. Dixon was selling Big East Ball, ESPN every night, MSG, Top 5's, Top 10's. And he had a NE recruiting base to sell to. Stallings had none of that. Stallings had one of the toughest sells in all of the P5. Heck, they play in an Opera House.
That said, Dixon is a better coach, without a doubt, but the hope is Stallings can get classes like he did last year at Vandy and not scrw them up.
The win loss record tells all. Everything. 17 year track record.
Pitt hired a guy that Vandy was pushing out the door. They basically swallowed the buyout, that's how bad they wanted him out of there.
Pitt hired a guy that Vandy was pushing out the door. They basically swallowed the buyout, that's how bad they wanted him out of there.
I understand, that is impressive. However, with great recruiting should come great results. His results are mediocre. So, is it mediocre recruiting or mediocre development, especially in a mediocre conference? I'm ok with Dixon leaving, but I really thought Barnes would get a dynamic young coach on the rise. He needed to 'wow' the fanbase. Stallings is a well-known with a decent reputation as a coach, but I'm not sure if it is gonna be an impact hire. I hope I'm wrong, but I see Jamie-like results at best. But, I'm gonna be rooting bigtime for Pitt as always
Only 7 NCAA Tournament invites in 17 seasons coaching.
FACT
Has a losing record in the SEC (138-142).
FACT
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
sort of like what good is Khem Birch if he leaves mid way through his freshman year in which he was a starter no less, or Dante Taylor who was a highly rated player that turned out really to be a two star.
Scale of 1 to 10: I'd say Stallings was a 7 as a recruiter but 4 or 5 in actual coaching.
Dixon was a 7 in coaching but a 3 or 4 in recruiting.
So we got the reverse of Dixon but hopefully he will recruit enough players that we can win in spite of his so-so coaching.
Usually more talented teams than Dixon
Yet Dixon easily out performed him in wins and tourney appearances and tourney wins
In two much more difficult conferences
Do you and td nitter even read what you post????
Hopefully the administration will shell out the $$$ for him to put together a top-flight staff. I have no idea what kind of a staff he had at Vandy.
No matter how folks try to spin this it's a significant downgrade at the coaching spot. Recruiting, NBA players, tempo, OE, DE, conference record, overall record, NCAA record, and on and on. The facts not the Pitt admin hype clearly has Dixon has a superior overall coach. Vandy was 18-14 for 17 years before Stallings and missed the NIT/NCAA only twice since 1986-1999. Stallings took a decent programs and took it to 20-14 and missing the NIT/NCAA 5 times in his 17 years. All while putting 6 players into the NBA (3 from his 2012 team) all of which are role players and only those 3 from 2012 are still in the NBA) - btw that 2012 team lost in the 2nd round to Whisky.
He's the coach and I wish him well and hope he can become the 2nd coming of Wooden and have a sudden mid-career epiphany and runs the tables at a 90% clip. Happened once. Anyone seen Sam Gilbert?
I'll be rooting for Pitt no matter the coach. Just can't root for this Barnes guy.
