Ok, I officially think this team is much better than Stallings last team..... and arrow is up...
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i don't think it's fair to grade his recruiting v. other schools that have been staples in top 30 rankings.
say you're the only person in your family to ever graduate from college. I would say that's a pretty monumental day, wouldn't you? First ever college graduate in the history of your family. That's chain breaking stuff right there. That could change the course of generations to come within your family. The expectation starts to rise.
now go to a family that hasn't had a single kid not graduate from college. They've had generations upon generations graduate from college. You graduate. That's great, right? Is it anything special? not really.. the bar was set that high and you passed it. Again, mission accomplished, but what's next? Graduate school? more prestigious schooling?
the recruiting history at Pitt doesn't warrant top notch recruiting from a coach. How can it when we've never seen it? Doesn't mean it can't happen, but why are we expecting it? Capel has certainly improved or been the same from where we were before. Expecting top 50 and top 75 players is a bit ridiculous if you're asking me. It just doesn't add up.
lol not a die hard Capel supporter by any stretch, but I see progress and why throw that away when the replacement isn't guaranteed to do any better?
Hitting reset now sets us back again. New coach comes in and probably rallies and gets a few decent kids. What happens after year 1 when we win less than 10-12 games? how's recruiting then in 2 years?
I mean, Ralph Williard did it. Paul Evans to an extent. I think you’re arguing against your own points here.
No one would’ve signed up for Capel if they knew he was gonna recruit like Jamie and Ben. They’re vastly superior coaches. The thinking was he was gonna get us kids like Mintz and others and sprinkle in those other kids instead of sprinkling in those other kids and then recruiting reaches.
I also think Capel’s recruiting strategy doesn’t align with what you’re saying. He went after the big fish thinking he could land them and being absolutely clueless about where he actually was in the game and missing on all of them.
His recruiting and misses (Reid, Cole Anthony, etc etc) do not align with what you’re saying at all.
just because he struck out with big time recruits doesn't mean he didn't exceed expectations. He tried to shoot for the moon and failed.. doesn't mean he didn't pick up some really nice players and exceeded former staff's classes since being here.
Because this is year 4 and we’re in the worst team in the league again with off the court issues, behavioral on court issues, chemistry problems and no signs of any of that changing? I don’t see any tangible progress at all. We lost to UMBC, the citadel and Monmouth at home for Chrissakes. Not in the tenure. In YEAR FOUR. Do you remember the beating Jamie took for losing ONE ooc home game to a solid Bucknell team?
Capel’s hire returned Pitt being able to even recruit at a near average ACC level. ACC Dixon and Stallings could not.
Capel’s inability to control, mold and maintain his recruits has returned us to square one. Tearing down what you have built does not generate great confidence. You want to give that guy another bite of the apple?
Looking at last years and this years (so far) recruiting class, it is logical to think Whatever ability Capel had to recruit is now lost.
Congrats. He’s marginally better than Kevin Stallings. If he had sniffed even an NIT this wouldnt be a discussion. The buyout money is already there and it’s gonna take a miracle for it not to be used. And I’m not sure he even wants to be here anymore.
We’re basically where Pitt football was in 2010. We forced a good coach to not feel welcome because all of a sudden Pitt football was a good job despite stability and at least good success. So we get bamboozled by Mike Haywood (Stallings) then Todd Graham (Capel) and now we need to find a boring ass Paul Chryst to climb us to mediocrity.
progress is progress. you guys are the fools for thinking we'd go from brain dead to sprinting in half a decade.
Every other program can do it thru the magic of the transfer portal and recruiting. This isn’t football where it takes a special QB or a bunch of players. You literally need like two DUDES and you’re good.
People who aren’t adept at the transfer portal are the ones who don’t have real relationships or know how to manage relationships
Btw @TD_6082 you were right on Narduzzi, I was wrong. I couldn’t be happier and I hope we do it again next year. Best season and most enjoyable of my lifetime.
I think Capel has done pretty well through the portal.
Mo, Horton, Nike, Burton are all ACC level players.
which schools have gone winless to NCAAT in less than 5 years? Which DUDES did Pitt have a legit chance at?
I literally don’t think any of those guys wins you one extra game in the ACC. All replacement level players that have been huge disappointments. Mo has been good last few games but isn’t gOnna move the needle at all in ACC play. Hell, John and Femi don’t move the needle in ACC play.
Horton shot 40% from deep last year as a Sophomore. Nike played fine at the end of the year. Burton has been a solid player. how are those huge disappointments?
again, what transfers did we have a legit chance at that could change this team?
if those players exist and Capel struck out, which coach is going to land them at Pitt?
I expected us to land West and Bickerstaff..I thought we would have a real chance at Soriano.
I admit those guys are not that much different, but…
West would have given us another guard and a point guard at that. Bickerstaff is an improvement on Olidapo and would be starting. Soriano a solid backup at center.
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1. The whole point is he has no relationships and couldn’t land high level transfers, only lose them. Do you think it’s reasonable if we were close on Earl Timberlake we should’ve been involved when he transferred? I do. If there’s a relationship and you don’t act like a 13 year old girl when he commits elsewhere and unfollow him.
2. Horton was 21 last year and averaged 9 a game. A lot of 21 year olds can average 9 a game in that many minutes and that green of a light.
3. They stunk at the end of the year. Ok, Femi put up numbers, big deal they were getting their brains bashed in. He’s like the 12th best PG in the league.
4. Nike couldn’t beat out anyone and would be a 4th guard on any good team. Same with Burton. Those guys put up numbers because someone HAS to even by accident score the ball several times a game. They’re not gonna ever be even contributors on good teams as evidenced by Burton’s time at TT.
5. Capel isnt some savant finding these diamond in the rough’s that no one else can see the talent. He’s throwing darts at the wall and praying they do anything to keep his job.
West - 7-4-3
Bickerstaff - 10-8
Soriano - 7-6
I rounded up to whole numbers, giving their averages a small boost.
is this any different than what these guys are giving us?
Burton - 11-3-2
Mo - 7-6
Bickerstaff - 10-8
Soriano - 7-6
I rounded up to whole numbers, giving their averages a small boost.
is this any different than what these guys are giving us?
Burton - 11-3-2
Mo - 7-6
I'll check out other coaches and who they unfollow/follow. There was no reason for Capel to keep contact with Timberlake. I don't understand this point.
you're exactly right, but the percentages back it up. a lot of guys can put the ball in the hoop with a green light, but how many can do it at the efficiency he did?
I'm not even going to address the other points. It's all opinion based after the first two and you're not changing your mind.
back to my first question, which DUDES did he have a legit chance at? if not him, which DUDES do you think he should've tried to build a relationship with? Earl Timberlake? Is that kid coming here and changing our program? He flaked at Miami and is averaging 5 a game for an underachieving Memphis team. Who else?
Burton is playing at Pitt, not Louisville. lately he is playing over 35 minutes. His point total comes on how many shots? Burton is not a PG.
Mo has been very inconsistent. maybe because Capel could not decide on a lineup.Mo still gets speeded up, loose with the ball and out of control. Bickerstaff is more consistent.
who is to say both couldn’t start with Jeffress sitting?
@BballinsiderfromPitt do you agree? Toney a high level transfer? if so, I thought we only needed two of these guys to win games?
all valid points, but the main point is that if you take Burton and Mo away and give us West and Bickerstaff there isn't too much of a difference.
Burton absolutely gets minutes at Lville. That's pretty crazy to say.
That’s kind’ve our point. He had a team last year with an NBA player, X, and Toney, and they completely fell apart after a really good start because he can’t manage a team.
my point is that you need more than two guys and if there are two guys that can win a bunch of games themselves, they aren't coming here. My entire point is that we expected to go from brain dead to sprinting in less than 5 years.
Nobody really cares we don’t have West and Bickerstaff. All those guys are mostly replacement level players you use as backups. The issue is we have to use them as starters because we can’t recruit high impact HS kids.
And the really good transfers who have 1-2 years left want to win. That’s why we don’t have any shot at them. Not because of Pitt.
How about if you add West. He is a true point guard, who else on our team is? We had/have an open scholarship.
How about we added Bickerstaff instead of Olidapo or Payton?
You don’t need 5 years to make an NCAAT. If you do, you are a bad coach.
Not at a place with adequate facilities, fan support, $$, etc.
Nobody is expecting a coach to come in and have us dancing next year. But Capel can’t evrn make the NIT
Capel and Lyke just installed new facilities 3-4 years ago and are still making upgrades. Capel walked into a shit hole.
the point still holds true. West and Bickerstaff make your team better, but they aren't leading you to an NCAAT birth.
please go back to when the transfer discussion started.
@BballinsiderfromPitt said you need two DUDES and you're set.
my point is that the transfers we had a shot at don't fit the description of DUDES.
I'm not arguing that those two kids do or don't make us better... I am arguing that they absolutely don't lead us to an NCAAT birth.
Yep that’s the one good thing that came out of his tenure. Which will help us in this upcoming search. That and the fact that we pay well too. Certainly too well for the results we are getting.
any coach that'll turn this around in 2 years or less will need A LOT more than what Jeff Capel is making.
Why are we expecting it? Because it's been done before and recently at Pitt. It can be done at Pitt. No excuses.
Nah. For some reason you have this like attitude that we are lucky to have Capel or something.
There are plenty of coaches out there hungry to get to the top of CBB who would gladly take $3-5 mil a year with a clean slate to run the program however they want. And would have us in a better spot than we are now in Year 2.
It was mostly Lyke, but I'll give Capel some credit for facilitating it.
Other than that, what has he done to help the Pitt program in almost 4 years? I haven't heard one thing yet that he's done that is positive.
Champ. That’s a good thing as kids want to go to the NBA. Other than that………..
