Oklahoma State's 1st half in Sugar Bowl confirms what we already knew about them

[pittpitt]

Pitt faces Oklahoma State in Game #3 next year.

1. Their D is bad, especially their pass D. (and their only star defensive player, DE Ogbah, is going to be a 1st round pick in a few months)
2. Their OL is not good; they have no run game and their QB gets hit a lot.
3. Their QB is good and can gun it when he has time.
4. Their QB's decision-making can be suspect and HC Gundy doesn't fully trust him; they put in the back-up Sr QB in the red zone and the announcers called him the "red zone expert." Again, that's a Sr QB we won't see next year, and there is no other back-up with any experience.

 

[ameoba defense]

This has to be the worst stretch of bowl games ever. Blow out after blow out. Just awful!

 

[vegasgreed]

These blowouts do suck. One after another.

 

[yourhired]

I heard someone say that the majority of these bowl games will be decided by who wants to be in the bowl game and who went for the vacation it's obvious some of these teams went for the vacation

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I heard someone say that the majority of these bowl games will be decided by who wants to be in the bowl game and who went for the vacation it's obvious some of these teams went for the vacation

From a pure betting point, always take the underdog and lesser Programs they came to play, the Bigger ranked and Rated Programs that had a successful year of 10 Win Games, the Players came to party and enjoy the reward for the season, thought they only needed to show up to win! The other team came to play to bushwhack them!

The other trend is Stop Gap Interim Coaches just there until the New Coach arrives usually loses! Heart not in the game or Practices and Players not going all out for an Interim Coach that won't be there in a few days.

If you go up against Notre Dame the other Team loves beating the Irish Traditional Storied Program!

Conferences matter too, usually SEC and PAC-12 does better than the Big-12 and Big Ten. The ACC falls in between SEC and PAC-12 in most years!

If you can pick more than 50% of the Bowl Games right you are doing a great job and that is without a line. Trying to bet the lines is is even tougher often 40% or less!

Also, if you are betting Pro Games take the Under it wins 80% of the time during the NFL season! Many Bettors overlook that and always go Bet the Over! The Bookies love it!

 

[rc79]

I wonder what the Oklahoma State forum thought of our performance. Thankfully, these bowl performances normally have little correlation to what happens the following year.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I wonder what the Oklahoma State forum through of our performance. Thankfully, these bowl performances normally have little correlation to what happens the following year.

Playing them at OKSU and early but Pitt won more games away than at home this year!

 

[pittpitt]

I wonder what the Oklahoma State forum thought of our performance. Thankfully, these bowl performances normally have little correlation to what happens the following year.

I can't imagine any team other than GT could think anything of that performance, especially when one considers how amazing Navy's QB is. OkSt has a statue QB, an OL that neither protects him nor pushes forward for the RB's, and a D that does exactly one thing well (rush the QB). A team built like that doesn't make predictions based on how one of their opponents does against a radically different squad.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I can't imagine any team other than GT could think anything of that performance, especially when one considers how amazing Navy's QB is. OkSt has a statue QB, an OL that neither protects him nor pushes forward for the RB's, and a D that does exactly one thing well (rush the QB). A team built like that doesn't make predictions based on how one of their opponents does against a radically different squad.

I post to learn and share but not lecture, and appreciate that kind of Info. OKSU will have Players back and that Line and QB will be one year more experience, but like you say, they are not as formidable as I thought, and I thank you for that Info!

 

[rc79]

I can't imagine any team other than GT could think anything of that performance, especially when one considers how amazing Navy's QB is. OkSt has a statue QB, an OL that neither protects him nor pushes forward for the RB's, and a D that does exactly one thing well (rush the QB). A team built like that doesn't make predictions based on how one of their opponents does against a radically different squad.

Winter conditioning, spring practice, and fall camp dramatically change all these teams by Labor Day. Which is the real input. Happens every season. That's the nature of the college game.

And there are plenty of strengths and weaknesses about a team discounting what system their opponent plays on tape. Particularly, about personnel. If you'd ever broken down film you'd know that.

One last thing, your making observations on what you see as their S&W. If your trying to predict (your word choice) you should wait for their tape from next years first two games.

No one we play next year will be doing "predictions" if they have some GA break down film over summer. That's either silly or a poor word choice.

 

[rc79]

I post to learn and share but not lecture, and appreciate that kind of Info. OKSU will have Players back and that Line and QB will be one year more experience, but like you say, they are not as formidable as I thought, and I thank you for that Info!

I don't think they are either Sage. Unfortunately, that was now last year's team.lol
We also play State one week prior. That's one of those intangibles that tends to affect things beyond what we might analyze.

 

[OriginalEther]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the 3rd time the OP has brought up this game for discussion in the past few months, with a heavy emphasis on predicting that the Cowboys won't be any good. Which, for a good (not great) non-rivalry OOC series seems kind of odd to me.

We also play State one week prior. That's one of those intangibles that tends to affect things beyond what we might analyze.

Yeah, as I've said before, that worries me quite a bit about this game. Screams let down.

As for guessing on the team itself, they'll lose 16 seniors, 13 of which were on the opening season 2-deep. It looks like 2-3 all Big-12 selections will return for them.
By comparison, Pitt loses 10 seniors, all of whom were also listed on the current 2-deep (note: not considering Juan Price). It looks like 3-5 all ACC selections will return.

 

[goalieman]

Pitt faces Oklahoma State in Game #3 next year.

1. Their D is bad, especially their pass D. (and their only star defensive player, DE Ogbah, is going to be a 1st round pick in a few months)
2. Their OL is not good; they have no run game and their QB gets hit a lot.
3. Their QB is good and can gun it when he has time.
4. Their QB's decision-making can be suspect and HC Gundy doesn't fully trust him; they put in the back-up Sr QB in the red zone and the announcers called him the "red zone expert." Again, that's a Sr QB we won't see next year, and there is no other back-up with any experience.

That team, Oklahoma State, that you make out as a pretty bad team ended this season 10-3 with their 3 losses to Baylor, Oklahoma, and Mississippi (they started the season 10-0 then lost their last 3 games)..... that is not a bad season nor a bad team at all.

Furthermore, they have 19 out of 22 starters listed on their two deep back next season ..... most of their seniors are back-ups..... they are overall a young team that is likely to improve significantly by next season ..... we play them in Stillwater the week after we play Penn State ..... most signs at present point to us being an underdog in that game. On the other hand, a lot of things can change between now and 9/17/16 .... let the journey begin !

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I heard someone say that the majority of these bowl games will be decided by who wants to be in the bowl game and who went for the vacation it's obvious some of these teams went for the vacation

Id like to see some stat on bowl performance of teams who lost their last regular season game. I think teams who win it, ride high into bowl practices and the game and it carry it into the bowl game.

OSU, Miss, and Stanford all won. ND, OKST, and Iowa all lost. We lost to Miami, Navy beat Army.

 

[pittpitt]

UPDATE: September 10, 2016 (PITT > PSU)

Again, we knew last year that OkSt was overrated (3 massive blowout losses to end season, barely got 4 of their wins, had trouble with Central Michigan back then [Chippewas were winning 13-10 in 3rd]) and now OkState is without their only star on D last year, who was the 32nd pick in the draft.

Good statue QB. Good WR's. End of positives for that team. I'd rather beat an overrated ranked team than an overrated unranked team, but we get what we get. Let's Go Pitt!

 

[OriginalEther]

Wow, you dug this one from the grave....

I hope you're correct, but this game reeks of a massive letdown. And Pitt hasn't done all that well in ooc road games.

 

[Jpripper88]

Wow, you dug this one from the grave....

I hope you're correct, but this game reeks of a massive letdown. And Pitt hasn't done all that well in ooc road games.

Well, I'd happily take a loss to OkSt and a win over UNC, but OkSt just isn't a very good team. We can beat them and frankly we should.

 

[BanksvilleDave]

I like Mike Gundy

 

[Panther Parrothead]

In OSU's game today, the game summary on CBS showed that they got shafted badly by the refs. It's too complicated to describe here, but read (or watch) a review of their game if you haven't already.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

Ok State screams let down, but I have faith in Pat to get the kids ready.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

In OSU's game today, the game summary on CBS showed that they got shafted badly by the refs. It's too complicated to describe here, but read (or watch) a review of their game if you haven't already.

They did get shafted. And it isn't all that hard to describe. They had the ball with four seconds left on fourth down. The QB dropped back and then threw the ball down field waaaaaaaay out of bounds to run the clock out. The refs called him for intentional grounding. The refs then incorrectly ruled that CMU should be allowed to run one untimed play because of the penalty. On that play CMU completed a hail mary short of the goal line, but the receiver tossed the ball backwards to a teammate as he was falling down and that guy ran the ball in for a score on a play that should never have happened.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

So in other words, we could be walking into a hornet's nest next week.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

They did get shafted. And it isn't all that hard to describe. They had the ball with four seconds left on fourth down. The QB dropped back and then threw the ball down field waaaaaaaay out of bounds to run the clock out. The refs called him for intentional grounding. The refs then incorrectly ruled that CMU should be allowed to run one untimed play because of the penalty. On that play CMU completed a hail mary short of the goal line, but the receiver tossed the ball backwards to a teammate as he was falling down and that guy ran the ball in for a score on a play that should never have happened.

Bingo! Better than I would've described it....

 

[pittpitt]

In OSU's game today, the game summary on CBS showed that they got shafted badly by the refs. It's too complicated to describe here, but read (or watch) a review of their game if you haven't already.

They did get shafted. And it isn't all that hard to describe. They had the ball with four seconds left on fourth down. The QB dropped back and then threw the ball down field waaaaaaaay out of bounds to run the clock out. The refs called him for intentional grounding. The refs then incorrectly ruled that CMU should be allowed to run one untimed play because of the penalty. On that play CMU completed a hail mary short of the goal line, but the receiver tossed the ball backwards to a teammate as he was falling down and that guy ran the ball in for a score on a play that should never have happened.

So they got shafted on the final play, before which they were outgained 369 yards to 345 yards, with 20 less penalty yards than CMU, and 2 less turnovers than CMU, and they were up by only a FG, at home, as 3 TD favorites, to Central Michigan.

But Pitt should be scared because OkSt got shafted on that final play and the Cowboys should be 2-0? Do I got that right?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

But Pitt should be scared because OkSt got shafted on that final play and the Cowboys should be 2-0? Do I got that right?

I'm not sure who said Pitt should be scared, but if you don't think that it's within the realm of possibility that Oklahoma State is going to come out smoking next week because of what happened this week then I don't know what to say.

 

[pittpitt]

I'm not sure who said Pitt should be scared, but if you don't think that it's within the realm of possibility that Oklahoma State is going to come out smoking next week because of what happened this week then I don't know what to say.

Of course they could come out smoking, but the fact that they were so obviously overranked and barely beating some crappy teams last year, then just got put down at home to a nobody they were supposed to easily smoke tells me a lot. This has all been very linear, and unless our secondary completely s**ts the bed in this one (which would also require OkSt's OL to magically get good at not letting a good DL knock their QB around, which has been a trend for a while), I think we win by a TD or more.

 

[vinniep33]

I like Mike Gundy

HE'S a MAN!! HE'S 40 something!!!!

 

[BanksvilleDave]

That feels like 10 years ago

 

[OriginalEther]

Thought about starting a new thread but nah, I figured I should dig this one back up....

Where's pittpitt been? He spent almost a whole year telling us how bad Oklahoma State was and that Pitt would win easily. Well...we saw the game...you gonna come back?

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Weird on all fronts.