First game of the ACC tourney is one month from now. Jeff fired the next day?
One Month From Now
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The instant Heather is positive that she is going to fire him, she should do it right then to get a head start. No sense in waiting. A couple week head start is more important than player feelings who won't be here next year anyway.
I didn't say now. I said the instant she is sure. If she is 100% certain right now, then he should be fired tomorrow. I am sure she is not yet certain for many reasons. He needs to beat NC State and GT to feel pretty safe.
Do you really think that she can't start the process of finding the next coach until after she fires the current coach?
Good lord, you really don't understand how this works.
Capel will be back next year no question. Reading between Heather’s comments she is saying; The effort is there, but the talent is not.
That is a conversation she has already had or will have very soon with Capel. The gist of it will be what kind of players is he’s targeting. When Ben Howland was hired, he brought in guys like Julius Page, Jaron Brown, Chevy Troutman, Ontario Lett, Carl Krauser, etc. None were 5 Star players, but all were really good coachable players. Maybe those are the kinds of players he should target more?
That is a conversation she has already had or will have very soon with Capel. The gist of it will be what kind of players is he’s targeting. When Ben Howland was hired, he brought in guys like Julius Page, Jaron Brown, Chevy Troutman, Ontario Lett, Carl Krauser, etc. None were 5 Star players, but all were really good coachable players. Maybe those are the kinds of players he should target more?
Aiming too high in recruiting has been one of the main issues with this staff. I’m not sure he is going to be given the time necessary to properly bring in and develop 2-3 classes that would be necessary to get the right foundation in place.
My guess is that we will be very active in the transfer market and Capel tries to duct tape together a competitive roster. Will that work? I have strong doubts but if you’re a guy who knows that the ice under your feet is getting thin, you’re not going to bet your future on a freshman class, especially one that will largely be built on spring recruiting.
We are in Year 4 of Capel and he has 0 recruits. It’s over.
The next coach needs to use the Ben Howland road map to turn the program around.
If there was a recruiting class coming in, then I would be ok to bring him back, but there is nothing coming in. How long do we need to wait for him to bring in some talent?
It’s way too late for that. He doesn’t have Ben Howland 1999 time. If by some miracle for him he does come back, he’s certainly getting fired next year if we don’t make the NCAA tournament . To do that, with this roster and being picked probably last in the ACC next year, he has to add immediate talent. The gritty developmental types would have been great but that ship has sailed.
Officially, no she cannot. You can only do so much through back channels. It serves no purpose to keep him an extra day if you are sure you are going to fire him. Milan Brown can coach the last several losses.
Plus her gushing over Hugley. I do believe solidies one more year with 1-2 more wins + returns his key players.
It looks like he will get 1 more year no matter what happens the rest of this season. For him to survive beyond that he will have to "hit the jackpot" so big in the transfer portal that he will have a winning season next year and at least make the NIT. That seems highly unlikely to occur.
Yep. Gotta pull a Steve Forbes. The thing is, if this were like 3-4 years ago, he'd surely be fired. But the transfer portal gives Heather the cover of "he can add a few pieces."
Capel started last season with X, Toney, Champagnie and Hugley and couldn’t keep his team together.
By Year 3, Ben Howland was in the Sweet 16 and by Year 4 he had a Top 5 team and other Sweet 16.
Capel stinks as a head coach. The proof is in his last 6 years at two different schools.
When the person that you want to hire to be your next coach is currently employed somewhere else there is only so much you can do. It serves no purpose to fire him on February 9 as opposed to March 9. Other than to appease people who don't know how this works.
You, for instance.
What purpose does it serve to fire him before the season ends? She can't hire another coach, and, as everyone on this board has been complaining for years, the assistants stink. Therefore, the team will be in no better shape to finish out the season.
There aren't enough games left in the season to win for Capel to feel any measure of safety. If he won them all, and we know he may not win even one of them, he's still on the way out the door. Either this year or next.
BTW, I'll be VERY surprised if he beats either NCSt. or GT. But it's irrelevant.
Heather can talk to agents. Do you really believe the agent of Nico Medved (for example) is taking 0 calls until he gets knocked out of the NCAA Tournament? You really don't know how this works. Lyke can talk to all the agents to guage interest until their seasons are over. It serves absolutely no purpose to employ Capel 1 second longer after your decision is made. The team and the players do not need him on the bench for their last few losses. If he makes it to March, there's a pretty good chance, he makes it till November.
Why does it matter who coaches the team the last few weeks? We might lose? Woah, not that!
This is hilarious. You are now saying that she can do EXACTLY what I am saying that she should do, and yet telling me that I don't know how this works.
Unless you think that she cannot talk to agents until after she fires Capel then your post makes absolutely no sense at all. She can do the exact same amount of talking to someone's agent whether she has fired Capel or she isn't going to fire him until next week or next month.
Once again you find yourself disagreeing with me while typing a post that proves my point. You are actually really good at that.
Is there such a thing as tampering? Are not you supposed to ask permission to speak to a coach under contract?
Doesnt this need done through intermediaries?
That's why it doesn't make any difference if you fire Capel tomorrow or a month from tomorrow. You are going to have to do all the talking before the season ends through intermediaries. Which you can do whether Capel is your coach or not. But you can't actually interview anyone until the season is over. So you don't need to have an official opening until then.
Think in terms of questions to a sitting coach’s agent like, “do you think this might be a job he’d consider leaving (current job) for? What sort of salary would get him to leave? What sort of must-haves would he need to have to take the job? What does he need to know from us about our school before we can get a meeting scheduled?”
Why couldn't the agent answer questions like that? I mean it's a pretty basic part of an agents job.
I admit, I don’t know. Discussions between someone officially associated with the University and the agent might be too formal for this feeling out process.
It ”seems” unseemly for an agent to start a negotiation on parameters to essentially nullify a contract he negotiated.
In MLB, NBA would that be considered tampering? To get to even this stage, is requesting permission necessary?
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I’m not saying that Capel should stay or go. I’m saying based on Heather’s comments and other factors, I’d be mildly surprised if he’s not given another year. If he’s back next year, the pressure will be on him big time.
I agree that the Howland approach to get the program back in it’s feet is the best way.
I'm not saying your wrong about Capel returning, but I just can't see how he is going to lure anyone out of the portal to come to Pittsburgh with the shape of this program.
Didn’t Capel make an addition to the staff to serve as a recruiting coordinator ? I think he was on
the St. Bonaventure staff. I was hoping at the time this would signal a change in philosophy but
it doesn’t appear on the surface that their doing anything different.
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