Jamie Dixon. Good enough to score 20 versus Kansas in a tournament game. Not good enough to leave bench at Pitt. Want an athletic guard who could penetrate, here's one. Successful scorer at 2 schools, but not at one another. Jamie wants a James Robinson player because it's easier to control a robotic player than one with flare.
Only one person could shut down Trey Ziegler
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I mentioned this in earlier postings!
I watched the TCU Kansas game and the announcers couldn't say enough about Ziegler. As they were talking he made a great play!
All they could say was he's had a great senior year! They also mentioned he played at Pitt, left, and they couldn't understand why! LOL ! We know!
We could have used him!
Question :Why do players su-k at Pitt and are great at other U's.
Answe: Dixon destroys talent ! He likes the mediocore guys he can control!
Go Pitt!
This post was edited on 3/12 5:55 PM by goat123
I watched the TCU Kansas game and the announcers couldn't say enough about Ziegler. As they were talking he made a great play!
All they could say was he's had a great senior year! They also mentioned he played at Pitt, left, and they couldn't understand why! LOL ! We know!
We could have used him!
Question :Why do players su-k at Pitt and are great at other U's.
Answe: Dixon destroys talent ! He likes the mediocore guys he can control!
Go Pitt!
This post was edited on 3/12 5:55 PM by goat123
This is clearly slow adult hour"on Panther lair.
He's cam Wright.
I don't care if the announcers said he walked on the moon and killed mustafa.
Cam Wright also scored 19 last night.
Idiots
He's cam Wright.
I don't care if the announcers said he walked on the moon and killed mustafa.
Cam Wright also scored 19 last night.
Idiots
Goat, Ram...Both barnyard animals & both tiresome beyond endurance
The Goat's penetrating analysis:
"Dixon destroys talent ! He likes the mediocore guys he can control."
Nailed it, Goat.
Penetrating analysis.
You can see things more clearly from the barnyard.
Enjoy your wallow.
BaaaaaaaaaaBaaaaaaa
The Goat's penetrating analysis:
"Dixon destroys talent ! He likes the mediocore guys he can control."
Nailed it, Goat.
Penetrating analysis.
You can see things more clearly from the barnyard.
Enjoy your wallow.
BaaaaaaaaaaBaaaaaaa
Re: Goat, Ram...Both barnyard animals & both tiresome beyond endurance
Yea exactly. He destroyed all those guys that got most improved player. He killed Blair. Sam Young would still be in the NBA it it wasn't for that stupid Dixon.
Yea exactly. He destroyed all those guys that got most improved player. He killed Blair. Sam Young would still be in the NBA it it wasn't for that stupid Dixon.
Re: Goat, Ram...Both barnyard animals & both tiresome beyond endurance
Thanks Barge Dog its nice that you recognize my insight into the problems that Pitt has had this season!!!
Barge idiot a baaaaaa is a sheep low IQ penn/Kentucky ret--!
Merry Christmas!
BargeDog posted on 3/12/2015...
The Goat's penetrating analysis:
"Dixon destroys talent ! He likes the mediocore guys he can control."
Nailed it, Goat.
Penetrating analysis.
You can see things more clearly from the barnyard.
Enjoy your wallow.
BaaaaaaaaaaBaaaaaaa
Subject:
This post was edited on 3/12 6:35 PM by goat123
Thanks Barge Dog its nice that you recognize my insight into the problems that Pitt has had this season!!!
Barge idiot a baaaaaa is a sheep low IQ penn/Kentucky ret--!
Merry Christmas!
BargeDog posted on 3/12/2015...
The Goat's penetrating analysis:
"Dixon destroys talent ! He likes the mediocore guys he can control."
Nailed it, Goat.
Penetrating analysis.
You can see things more clearly from the barnyard.
Enjoy your wallow.
BaaaaaaaaaaBaaaaaaa
Subject:
This post was edited on 3/12 6:35 PM by goat123
Ziegler was awful at Pitt. Talk about a guy who can't shoot. He would not be the answer to Pitt's problems.
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jimsavio posted on 3/12/2015...
Ziegler was awful at Pitt. Talk about a guy who can't shoot. He would not be the answer to Pitt's problems.
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Yo Lol! Jimbo Savio have you looked at his senior yr stats at TCU??????????????? Or his stats today against Kansas!
Is it Saviano or Saviooooo!??
Pitt could have used him this year!
He'd be the best of the losers you watched all year!
Bye Jimmie!
Go Pitt!
Ziegler was awful at Pitt. Talk about a guy who can't shoot. He would not be the answer to Pitt's problems.
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Yo Lol! Jimbo Savio have you looked at his senior yr stats at TCU??????????????? Or his stats today against Kansas!
Is it Saviano or Saviooooo!??
Pitt could have used him this year!
He'd be the best of the losers you watched all year!
Bye Jimmie!
Go Pitt!
Great!
You all think Cam's pretty good so he'd be a really good Pitt player this year? Right!
You guys are as bad as Dixon! Who do we want , who do we run off, who's going to the NBA and we forget to replace!
Ziegler would have been an important piece of the puzzle this year!
Fyi! This is one of the problems with the Pitt program! Everyone including the coaching staff has an excuse for everything!
Except the don't win and there's no excuse for losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Pitt!
This post was edited on 3/12 7:06 PM by goat123
This post was edited on 3/12 5:06 PM by goat123
You all think Cam's pretty good so he'd be a really good Pitt player this year? Right!
You guys are as bad as Dixon! Who do we want , who do we run off, who's going to the NBA and we forget to replace!
Ziegler would have been an important piece of the puzzle this year!
Fyi! This is one of the problems with the Pitt program! Everyone including the coaching staff has an excuse for everything!
Except the don't win and there's no excuse for losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Pitt!
This post was edited on 3/12 7:06 PM by goat123
This post was edited on 3/12 5:06 PM by goat123
I'd love to see you find anyone who is happy with Cam's body of work this year.
If you're going to pine for guys that aren't here you should shoot a lot higher than hoping to replace one mediocre player with another. If memory serves me correctly you've stated you are or were a director for a global company (forgive me if that's incorrect). But if I am correct - and you had to get rid of an employee wouldn't it behoove you to bring in one that's better? Ziegler is no better than Cam. And besides he wouldn't be here this year anyway. His last year would have been last year. He had to sit out when he transferred which is the only reason he's playing this year.
If you're going to pine for guys that aren't here you should shoot a lot higher than hoping to replace one mediocre player with another. If memory serves me correctly you've stated you are or were a director for a global company (forgive me if that's incorrect). But if I am correct - and you had to get rid of an employee wouldn't it behoove you to bring in one that's better? Ziegler is no better than Cam. And besides he wouldn't be here this year anyway. His last year would have been last year. He had to sit out when he transferred which is the only reason he's playing this year.
Wow, this is simple. Pitt had problems this year. Pitt needed help.
Zeigler was not it.
Wow, I can't believe someone actually thought that Zeigler would've been the answer.
Zeigler was not it.
Wow, I can't believe someone actually thought that Zeigler would've been the answer.
raleighpanther posted on 3/12/2015...
Wow, this is simple. Pitt had problems this year. Pitt needed help.
Zeigler was not it.
Wow, I can't believe someone actually thought that Zeigler would've been the answer.
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Not the answer but a positive piece of the puzzle.
Against Kansas he Ziegler scored 20 pts with 40 mins of play!
We need all the help we can get!
Some of you guys are talkin like we actually have a D1 ACC team??
I don't think we do and I bet we get our doors blown off in the NIT!
Go Pitt!
Wow, this is simple. Pitt had problems this year. Pitt needed help.
Zeigler was not it.
Wow, I can't believe someone actually thought that Zeigler would've been the answer.
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Not the answer but a positive piece of the puzzle.
Against Kansas he Ziegler scored 20 pts with 40 mins of play!
We need all the help we can get!
Some of you guys are talkin like we actually have a D1 ACC team??
I don't think we do and I bet we get our doors blown off in the NIT!
Go Pitt!
Again - had Zeigler stayed at Pitt he wouldn't be here this year. Last year would have been his last year of eligibility. Stop.
Wolf, he was 6-15 with 8 turnovers, and they lost. As punishment for this silly post, punch yourself in the throat three times and PayPal me my five minutes of my life back. Goat, your penance for repeated dumb posts, hit yourself In the groin five times with a hammer. You deserve harsher punishment for punishing us with your more frequent posts.
This post was edited on 3/12 7:51 PM by KiwiJeff
This post was edited on 3/12 7:51 PM by KiwiJeff
Goat ... here are the facts ...
... Fact #1.
Trey was a junior when he played at Pitt. He used up 2 years or eligibility at CMU. He was able to transfer to Pitt and get a hardship to not have to skip a year. When he transferred to TCU, he had to sit out a year. That would have been last year.
The only way he could have been playing a Pitt would have been if he had somehow inexplicably Redshirted last year at Pitt.
Fact #2
... Trey needs to play with the ball in his hands -- very much the same way Lamar played for the Panthers last year. Except there are some differences. First Trey is not a very good passer. And he's an even WORSE three point shooter than Cam. He also averaged less points this year than Cam -- and he never hit a three point shot.
Sure, Trey could make some great plays. He made a few at Pitt too. He also turned it over 8 times today.
Trey really did start playing some pretty good basketball over the last 8 games. I sure hope so -- he's a fifth year senior. Had he stayed at Pitt, as we speak he'd be trying to make a living in Europe as we speak.
Goat -- it's as simple as this. Pitt is missing many pieces this year. But Trey Zeigler is absolutely positively NOT one of them. This fact is especially true considering that he couldn't even BE playing at Pitt this year.
... Fact #1.
Trey was a junior when he played at Pitt. He used up 2 years or eligibility at CMU. He was able to transfer to Pitt and get a hardship to not have to skip a year. When he transferred to TCU, he had to sit out a year. That would have been last year.
The only way he could have been playing a Pitt would have been if he had somehow inexplicably Redshirted last year at Pitt.
Fact #2
... Trey needs to play with the ball in his hands -- very much the same way Lamar played for the Panthers last year. Except there are some differences. First Trey is not a very good passer. And he's an even WORSE three point shooter than Cam. He also averaged less points this year than Cam -- and he never hit a three point shot.
Sure, Trey could make some great plays. He made a few at Pitt too. He also turned it over 8 times today.
Trey really did start playing some pretty good basketball over the last 8 games. I sure hope so -- he's a fifth year senior. Had he stayed at Pitt, as we speak he'd be trying to make a living in Europe as we speak.
Goat -- it's as simple as this. Pitt is missing many pieces this year. But Trey Zeigler is absolutely positively NOT one of them. This fact is especially true considering that he couldn't even BE playing at Pitt this year.
I actually enjoyed this thread tremendously.
If you want to knock Jamie, you are going to have to do better than Trey. This may be the worst argument in the history of this board.
Which means that this thread was quite entertaining.
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If you want to knock Jamie, you are going to have to do better than Trey. This may be the worst argument in the history of this board.
Which means that this thread was quite entertaining.
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Since this seems to be the season for.....
blind resumes, let's try one:
Player: ORating - eFG% - OffReb% - DefReb% - AstRate - TurnRate - Blk% - Stl% - FT% - 2Pt% - 3Pt%
Player A: 99.5, 46.5, 7.8, 9.5, 17.1, 19.1, 1.3, 1.8, 62.1, 48.3, 0.0
Player B: 96.4, 46.8, 1.9, 11.8, 22.9, 16.7, 2.0, 3.4, 53.4, 48.2, 21.1
OK, the 0.0 under 3 Point % gives away that the first one is Zeigler and the second one is Wright. Look at how close to equal some of those numbers are. eFG% almost exactly the same. Zeigler a much better offensive rebounder but Wright a better defensive rebounder. Wright with a better assist rate and a lower turnover rate. Wright with more steals and more blocks. Zeigler a better (but by no means good) foul shooter. Their percentage on two pointers is almost exactly the same. And Wright is a poor three point shooter but Zeigler didn't make one all season (0-10). It's like the two of them are twins or something.
But Zeigler scored a lot of points today so clearly he is what this team was missing. By the way, did anyone happen to notice that Zeigler's offensive rating for today was 83? For those of you who don't know what that means, it means that Zeigler sucked today. He only made 40% of his shots, all of which were twos. That's bad. Needing to take lots of shots to score points is not a good thing. He had 8 turnovers, which isn't just bad, it's horrific. He actually had the perfect game for some people here. The people who don't understand that the objective isn't to score points, it's to score more points than the other guys do. Zeigler scored 20 points and still managed to be one of the worst players for TCU today.
blind resumes, let's try one:
Player: ORating - eFG% - OffReb% - DefReb% - AstRate - TurnRate - Blk% - Stl% - FT% - 2Pt% - 3Pt%
Player A: 99.5, 46.5, 7.8, 9.5, 17.1, 19.1, 1.3, 1.8, 62.1, 48.3, 0.0
Player B: 96.4, 46.8, 1.9, 11.8, 22.9, 16.7, 2.0, 3.4, 53.4, 48.2, 21.1
OK, the 0.0 under 3 Point % gives away that the first one is Zeigler and the second one is Wright. Look at how close to equal some of those numbers are. eFG% almost exactly the same. Zeigler a much better offensive rebounder but Wright a better defensive rebounder. Wright with a better assist rate and a lower turnover rate. Wright with more steals and more blocks. Zeigler a better (but by no means good) foul shooter. Their percentage on two pointers is almost exactly the same. And Wright is a poor three point shooter but Zeigler didn't make one all season (0-10). It's like the two of them are twins or something.
But Zeigler scored a lot of points today so clearly he is what this team was missing. By the way, did anyone happen to notice that Zeigler's offensive rating for today was 83? For those of you who don't know what that means, it means that Zeigler sucked today. He only made 40% of his shots, all of which were twos. That's bad. Needing to take lots of shots to score points is not a good thing. He had 8 turnovers, which isn't just bad, it's horrific. He actually had the perfect game for some people here. The people who don't understand that the objective isn't to score points, it's to score more points than the other guys do. Zeigler scored 20 points and still managed to be one of the worst players for TCU today.
Not sure how many TCU games people watched this year, but Trey Ziegler had a nice season. He didn't shoot real well to be sure, but in the games I saw he did a lot of little things. Rebounded when he had to, played some defense, and distributed the ball a little.
He totally sucked at Pitt, and for all the gaudy numbers wasn't much better at Central Michigan.
Maybe he finally grew up a little, or maybe after having the ball in his hands all the time at CMU he thought he could do the same at Pitt. Whatever it was he was a pretty decent college player in a major conference this year.
Make no mistake I'm not excusing his woeful Pitt career, it was a train wreck. But all things being said he had a serviceable final season.
He totally sucked at Pitt, and for all the gaudy numbers wasn't much better at Central Michigan.
Maybe he finally grew up a little, or maybe after having the ball in his hands all the time at CMU he thought he could do the same at Pitt. Whatever it was he was a pretty decent college player in a major conference this year.
Make no mistake I'm not excusing his woeful Pitt career, it was a train wreck. But all things being said he had a serviceable final season.
Pretty much EVERYONE shut down Trey Ziegler this year.
Yes... he scored 20 points against KU... but he needed 15 shots to do it and committed *8* turnovers. He was a net negative player.
A) He couldn't play at Pitt this year because, as others pointed out, his eligibility would've been used up.
B) He *DID* play at Pitt this year. His name was Cam Wright.
Yes... he scored 20 points against KU... but he needed 15 shots to do it and committed *8* turnovers. He was a net negative player.
A) He couldn't play at Pitt this year because, as others pointed out, his eligibility would've been used up.
B) He *DID* play at Pitt this year. His name was Cam Wright.
"Trey Zeigler had a nice season" "...all things being said, he had a serviceable final season."
I don't disagree with that. He did have a decent senior year in a P-5 conference. Probably better than many expected after his forgettable season here.
My problem is the miserable posters who call themselves Pitt fans who continue to slander our 5th year player with almost identical, (and actually slightly better) statistics, Cam Wright. And, Wright achieved his statistics overcoming a broken foot, a sprained ankle and a finger that dislocated repeatedly all season. Neither Wright nor Zeigler are elite players. They are just pretty much typical guys on typical teams, starters but not stars.
We have a lot of posters who really have no idea what they are watching and no idea how we compare to other teams. Hey, it's a message board. There is no minimum knowledge qualification for posting. If there were, we'd have a lot less posters.
Zeigler was not the missing piece. Micah Mason was not the missing piece. This board is filled with so much stupid lately it is nearly unreadable. Forget the 25 win seasons. I miss the entertaining and intelligent board from the late-2000s.
Agree in principle with a lot of that--except this--I don't think Cam Wright is a starting quality player for a Power 5 program. I know he has been hindered by injuries, but his skills have always been marginal. I don't think Zeigler is much better on the balance than Cam, but I think he's a more skilled player. You know how I feel about Ziggy--but from my firsthand observation of him while he was at CMU, I can say that his problems are more related to his poor work ethic, attitude and selfishness than to his skills. Cam is the opposite--good kid, hard worker, unselfish. If the two could somehow be combined we'd be on to something--although we'd still have a 2 guard that can't shoot from the perimeter or foul line.
While I bear Cam Wright absolutely no ill will, I will not be sorry to see him move on to his life after Pitt basketball, which, given the kind of kid he seems to be, I expect will be a fulfilling one.
While I bear Cam Wright absolutely no ill will, I will not be sorry to see him move on to his life after Pitt basketball, which, given the kind of kid he seems to be, I expect will be a fulfilling one.
If I think James Robinson deserves some slack because he might have been injured, you would guess I would feel the same about Cam. I do not.
My first memory of Cam was not getting the ball above the rim on a breakaway dunk in his freshman season. I believe he also shot an air ball free throw that season. I remember him missing free throw after free throw when UNC was attempting their comeback last season. I have seen him leave late game open 8-10 foot shots short, not getting the ball above the rim. I have seen him make inexplicable turnovers. Turnovers where you did not have a clue on what he was trying to do.
I do not attribute Cam's failings to the physical. Something is just missing when it comes to be clutch.
He was never a player you could expect to come through. That is why I do not see him as a player that should start at this level..
My first memory of Cam was not getting the ball above the rim on a breakaway dunk in his freshman season. I believe he also shot an air ball free throw that season. I remember him missing free throw after free throw when UNC was attempting their comeback last season. I have seen him leave late game open 8-10 foot shots short, not getting the ball above the rim. I have seen him make inexplicable turnovers. Turnovers where you did not have a clue on what he was trying to do.
I do not attribute Cam's failings to the physical. Something is just missing when it comes to be clutch.
He was never a player you could expect to come through. That is why I do not see him as a player that should start at this level..
Cam is at his worst in transition, which is not good for a guy who's supposed to be a guard. He is a mess on a runout, it's like he's playing with one hand and one foot. The problem was a little more muted this year, mostly because (1) he was out injured for so long and (2) as a function of poor D and subpar rebounding, we had alarmingly few fast break opportunities at least in conference play.
I used to say he has a power forward's game and a 2 guard's size. Weak handle, poor passer, terrible jump shot. His outside range is maybe 12-14 feet and in, but it seems the closer he gets to the rim, the lower percentage the shot is for him. He's athletic, but it isn't enough to overcome his skill deficits.
As i said, he's a good guy, but not someone you want in your top 8. Hope he lives a long and fruitful life, but I'm glad it won't be in a Pitt basketball uniform anymore.
I used to say he has a power forward's game and a 2 guard's size. Weak handle, poor passer, terrible jump shot. His outside range is maybe 12-14 feet and in, but it seems the closer he gets to the rim, the lower percentage the shot is for him. He's athletic, but it isn't enough to overcome his skill deficits.
As i said, he's a good guy, but not someone you want in your top 8. Hope he lives a long and fruitful life, but I'm glad it won't be in a Pitt basketball uniform anymore.
I think so..but, he struggled and hesitated this year a bunch.
He'd get blocked or miss occasionally..but certainly felt more comfortable with his driving to the hoop, than taking an off-balanced 15 foot jumper.
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