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OT: 1st Dawnhtawhn Experience / Pirates Game in Almost 20 Years

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I brought my g/f that had never been to Pittsburgh before into town over the weekend and we decided to go to the Pirate game despite the less than ideal weather on Friday night. We were staying at a hotel on Grant Street and I wanted to walk over the Roberto Clemente Bridge, which I had never done before despite going to many games at PNC in the early 2000s. I used to love attending and was excited to show off the gorgeous ballpark and skyline, but unfortunately, it was just a bad experience.

1) Interesting that the online ticket brokers must not be allowed to sell tickets an hour after the scheduled first pitch. I was all ready to order some tickets a few rows up from the 3rd base dugout for the unheard deal of $30, but unfortunately, I waited too long while deciding on the weather, so we had to utilize the stadium ticket window. I thought maybe the time limit would start AFTER first pitch, not AFTER the scheduled start since there was a delayed start.

2) I asked for the best available at a reasonable price on the 3B side. They were $30 each, which is more I wanted to pay for that product given the weather, but we went with it. Like I said, no one was there, maybe 200 people within the surrounding sections. The ticket guy gave us seats in the 320's where we would had to look directly through an area of protective glass near the stairwell to see the batter. Ridiculous. We moved over of course, but do these people not use any discretion?

3) Props to the 5K or so fans that were at the game despite the rain delay. Although, it seemed like half of them were from San Diego.

4) The, I presume, homeless POS that 'plays' the saxophone on the RCB after games should be removed, by force, if necessary. He was verbally insulting to everyone that passed who didn't GIVE HIM MONEY. He wasn't even playing music, he just demanded money. And I'm talking insulting in a very personal manner to every group. Screaming obscenities every other word, including to an 8 year old. I thought his dad was going to toss him off the bridge.

5) Wow is downtown shady after dark. This was at like 10PM on a Friday so I wasn't too worried about it. I've lived in many cities across my lifetime and thought the short walk back to Grant would be easy and typical enough for a city, but boy was I wrong. There were some scary and aggressive individuals out and about. What is going on there? I know opioids are a problem in lots of places, but is it hitting Pittsburgh particularly hard? It seemed like lots of meth heads out and about. It was sad.

6) Getting a car rental was impossible, I guess because of graduation, the storms and the marathon. We had a rental reservation for Saturday morning pickup, which they couldn't fulfill, so we had to make our way to the airport after lots of phone calls to find a vehicle.

7) Could they make the Duquesne incline more confusing of a tourist spot? I had never done it, but how about some preemptive parking signs (across the street). It was a pain to loop back around when you aren't familiar with the area. Parking was an outrageous $15. There were no signs to tell you that you have to walk all the way around the fence to the main street in the opposite direction of the stairwell in order to get to the incline booth. Lots of us in the parking lot were walking the wrong way at first and annoyed.

8) What is up with the two old ladies collecting money for the incline? I understand that they may be historic holdovers from the 1960s, but I've never met more miserable and unhelpful people in such a role that will be interacting with tourists. Luckily, their behavior was so poor that it was a great memory and we just laughed about it.

9) We loved the view from the top and the highlight of our day were the drinks and people watching from the bar at the summit. They have some interesting staff and patronage going on there.

I need to plan better next time and bring her in for a football game in the Fall. The weather sucked this time and I didn't realize the marathon and graduation were also this weekend, so traffic was brutal on Saturday trying to find our rental to leave. Overall, it wasn't a good first impression despite her unexpected realization that the city is so historic and the confluence and architecture is so gorgeous.

Onward and upward.
 
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I brought my g/f that had never been to Pittsburgh before into town over the weekend and we decided to go to the Pirate game despite the less than ideal weather on Friday night. We were staying at a hotel on Grant Street and I wanted to walk over the Roberto Clemente Bridge, which I had never done before despite going to many games at PNC in the early 2000s. I used to love attending and was excited to show off the gorgeous ballpark and skyline, but unfortunately, it was just a bad experience.

1) Interesting that the online ticket brokers must not be allowed to sell tickets an hour after the scheduled first pitch. I was all ready to order some tickets a few rows up from the 3rd base dugout for $30, but unfortunately, I waited too long while deciding on the weather, so we had to utilize the stadium ticket window.

2) I asked for the best available for a reasonable price on the 3B side. They were $30 each, which is more I wanted to pay for that product given the weather, but we went with it. Like I said, no one was there, maybe 200 people within the surrounding sections. The ticket guy gave us seats in the 320's where we had to look through protective glass near the stairwell to see the batter. Ridiculous. We moved over of course, but do these people not use any discretion?

3) Props to the 5K or so fans that were at the game despite the rain delay. Although, it seemed like half of them were from San Diego.

4) The, I presume, homeless POS that 'plays' the saxophone on the RCB after games should be removed, by force, if necessary. He was verbally insulting to everyone that passed who didn't GIVE HIM MONEY. He wasn't even playing music, he just demanded money. And I'm talking insulting in a very personal manner to every group. Screaming obscenities every other word, including to an 8 year old. I thought his dad was going to toss him off the bridge.

5) Wow is downtown shady after dark. This was at like 10PM on a Friday so I wasn't too worried about it. I've lived in many cities across my lifetime and thought the short walk back to Grant would be easy and typical enough for a city, but boy was I wrong. There were some scary and aggressive individuals out and about. What is going on there? I know opioids are a problem in lots of places, but is it hitting Pittsburgh particularly hard? It seemed like lots of meth heads out and about. It was sad.

6) Getting a car rental was impossible, I guess because of graduation, the storms and the marathon. We had a rental reservation for Saturday morning pickup, which they couldn't fulfill, so we had to make our way to the airport after lots of phone calls to find a vehicle.

7) Could they make the Duquesne incline more confusing for a tourist spot? I had never done it, but how about some preemptive parking signs (across the street). It was a pain to loop back around when you aren't familiar with the area. Parking was an outrageous $15. No signs to tell you that you have to walk all the way around to the main street in the opposite direction of the stairwell. Lots of us in the parking lot were walking the wrong way at first.

8) What is up with the two old ladies collecting money for the incline? I understand that they make be holdovers, but I've never met more miserable and unhelpful people in such a role that will be interacting with tourists. Luckily, their behavior was so poor that it was a great memory and we just laughed about it.

9) We loved the view from the top and the highlight of our day was the drinks and people watching from the bar at the summit. They have some interesting staff and patronage going on there.

I need to plan better next time and bring her in for a football game in the Fall. The weather sucked and I didn't realize the marathon and graduation were this weekend, so traffic was brutal on Saturday trying to find a rental to leave. It wasn't a good first impression.

Onward and upward.

The saxophone guy is normally pleasant and funny. Not sure what's wrong with him.

I work downtown and have noticed absolutely no difference in anything over the last 20 years, pre and post-Covid. Well, definitely a lot fewer restaurants. Every downtown area has characters. Pittsburgh probably has among the least.
 
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The saxophone guy is normally pleasant and funny. Not sure what's wrong with him.

I work downtown and have noticed absolutely no difference in anything over the last 20 years, pre and post-Covid. Well, definitely a lot fewer restaurants. Every downtown area has characters. Pittsburgh probably has among the least.
Well saxophone guy absolutely railed into me for having a Pitt shirt on. He was extremely angry and frightening overall. I got it easy compared to most walking by.

I have no idea if you are right or wrong about the downtown area changing over the prior 20 years. I would never walk around there at night in my college days. I certainly didn't feel safe making the 10 minute walk back to the hotel after we got over the bridge, however. I always knew downtown was 'dead' after dark, but I didn't expect the walking dead. Maybe it's fine if more people were around walking back from the game, which as I said, was lightly attended. I didn't see a single cop car on the walk there or back, but maybe I missed them.

Anyways, by god is that Pirates lineup lousy.
 
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The saxophone guy is normally pleasant and funny. Not sure what's wrong with him.

I work downtown and have noticed absolutely no difference in anything over the last 20 years, pre and post-Covid. Well, definitely a lot fewer restaurants. Every downtown area has characters. Pittsburgh probably has among the least.

No he isn't
 
He used to be in his earlier street performer days.

Guessing he has mental health issues. He was fairly nice and normal in high school but it seems things went sideways.
I mean - folks do these things because they aren’t well .
Even the kind blind guy who sang. In Oakland - I’ve witnessed him losing his shit a few times
 
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Sax man

Sombrero man

Rite aid Amazing grace blind guy

Wheelchair scalper with no legs

Lady in Oakland that always had a dead relative with a plane ticket but just needed 20 bucks to get to the airport.

Legends of years past.
 
Sax man

Sombrero man

Rite aid Amazing grace blind guy

Wheelchair scalper with no legs

Lady in Oakland that always had a dead relative with a plane ticket but just needed 20 bucks to get to the airport.

Legends of years past.
Can’t forget Shuffles or the guy that has a bumper on his bike.
 
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Sax man

Sombrero man

Rite aid Amazing grace blind guy

Wheelchair scalper with no legs

Lady in Oakland that always had a dead relative with a plane ticket but just needed 20 bucks to get to the airport.

Legends of years past.

guy in downtown that had those billboards on his front and back (like a tunic). Something about then congressman Coyne and Mayor Tom Murphy I believe.
 
Sax man

Sombrero man

Rite aid Amazing grace blind guy

Wheelchair scalper with no legs

Lady in Oakland that always had a dead relative with a plane ticket but just needed 20 bucks to get to the airport.

Legends of years past.
I saw her ever day leaving work at children’s as a student “hey , sweetie “
 
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It was funny, there was a woman in her 30s with child that watched our interaction with the 'toll' ladies in the incline booth and she was laughing as we sat next to her. She said "I guess the google reviews are true about them." I guess they are well known grumpy grays.
 
The saxophone guy is normally pleasant and funny. Not sure what's wrong with him.

I work downtown and have noticed absolutely no difference in anything over the last 20 years, pre and post-Covid. Well, definitely a lot fewer restaurants. Every downtown area has characters. Pittsburgh probably has among the least.
I worked downtown from 2008-2015 and then started working part-time from the office at another job in 2021. Downtown was on a significant upward trajectory during my first stint downtown and actually got really nice in the early 2010's but it has significantly declined back to 2008 levels since COVID. Just look at the vacancy rates for office buildings and floor level retail compared to 2012 and it will tell you that your perception is not reality.
 
Sax man

Sombrero man

Rite aid Amazing grace blind guy

Wheelchair scalper with no legs

Lady in Oakland that always had a dead relative with a plane ticket but just needed 20 bucks to get to the airport.

Legends of years past.

The one thing Pittsburgh has always lacked was one of those "Jesus is Coming" guys. Charlotte has a good one. Was doing his thing after the ACCCG in 2021.
 
The one thing Pittsburgh has always lacked was one of those "Jesus is Coming" guys. Charlotte has a good one. Was doing his thing after the ACCCG in 2021.


Back in the late 80s - early 90s there was a woman who would stand on the steps/walkway going from the lower to the upper parking lots at the Civic Arena after Penguins games (and I think some concerts too). She would tell every that the world was ending in three days, that everyone should go home and stay inside and wait for the apocalypse.

So one day we were walking up after a game and she was there yelling her message, and as we got up to where she was I said "hey, last week you told me the world was ending in three days so I went home and stayed inside waiting for the world to end, and now it's a week later and we are all still here."

And she just looked at me like I had two heads. Which, in her world, maybe I did.
 
Back in the late 80s - early 90s there was a woman who would stand on the steps/walkway going from the lower to the upper parking lots at the Civic Arena after Penguins games (and I think some concerts too). She would tell every that the world was ending in three days, that everyone should go home and stay inside and wait for the apocalypse.

So one day we were walking up after a game and she was there yelling her message, and as we got up to where she was I said "hey, last week you told me the world was ending in three days so I went home and stayed inside waiting for the world to end, and now it's a week later and we are all still here."

And she just looked at me like I had two heads. Which, in her world, maybe I did.

Downtown has the Jehovah's Witness pamphlet passer-outer people. I feel like this is a big missed opportunity for them to step into this void and do large events but with more of that Jesus is Coming loudness.
 
The one thing Pittsburgh has always lacked was one of those "Jesus is Coming" guys. Charlotte has a good one. Was doing his thing after the ACCCG in 2021.
The Charlotte guy, if we're talking about the same one, was a "JESUS SAVES" guy. He has a booming voice and would yell it throughout Uptown all day and night. He actually has a tremendous signing voice when he's not being totally psycho. I used to be able to hear his "JESUS SAVES" yells from my bedroom, which was on the top floor of my apartment building, 26 stories up.
 
Back in the late 80s - early 90s there was a woman who would stand on the steps/walkway going from the lower to the upper parking lots at the Civic Arena after Penguins games (and I think some concerts too). She would tell every that the world was ending in three days, that everyone should go home and stay inside and wait for the apocalypse.

So one day we were walking up after a game and she was there yelling her message, and as we got up to where she was I said "hey, last week you told me the world was ending in three days so I went home and stayed inside waiting for the world to end, and now it's a week later and we are all still here."

And she just looked at me like I had two heads. Which, in her world, maybe I did.
The Morton Salt Lady!!!!!!
 
Sax man

Sombrero man

Rite aid Amazing grace blind guy

Wheelchair scalper with no legs

Lady in Oakland that always had a dead relative with a plane ticket but just needed 20 bucks to get to the airport.

Legends of years past.
wheelchair scalper with no legs guy needs his ass kicked. hate that dude, shame on me for even trying to deal with that clown..


btw, is he the same no leg wheelchair scalper from like the 90s and just magically never aged? There was one back in late 90s, three rivers day and damned if he doesnt look the same. cant be though. unless losing his legs gave him some magical non aging power or something.


regardless, someone needs to push that dude into the river..
 
wheelchair scalper with no legs guy needs his ass kicked. hate that dude, shame on me for even trying to deal with that clown..


btw, is he the same no leg wheelchair scalper from like the 90s and just magically never aged? There was one back in late 90s, three rivers day and damned if he doesnt look the same. cant be though. unless losing his legs gave him some magical non aging power or something.


regardless, someone needs to push that dude into the river..
Or
You know - walk past and mind your own business-
Like a normal person ?
 
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Or
You know - walk past and mind your own business-
Like a normal person ?
ignore them? I agree, that's usually my strategy.


i foolishly approached him a year or two ago for tickets though. a dumb move by me admittedly, supporting this garbage industry of scalping.. a mistake i wont make again..
 
i foolishly approached him a year or two ago for tickets though. a dumb move by me admittedly, supporting this garbage industry of scalping.. a mistake i wont make again..

How do the scalpers even operate now with the digital tickets? I haven't bought from a scalper in a long time. I don't have a problem with them. The American way, free enterprise, and they provide a service. Last time I dealt with them I was surprised how organized they were. It's like they all met before the game and decided what price point they were paying/selling at. I had some Pitt tickets (when paper was still available) and about 3 different scalpers wouldn't budge from the same offer price.
 
ignore them? I agree, that's usually my strategy.


i foolishly approached him a year or two ago for tickets though. a dumb move by me admittedly, supporting this garbage industry of scalping.. a mistake i wont make again..

What makes it an garbage industry? There is a demand for what they do. I don't buy from them because tickets are cheap on the broker sites but many people do or else they wouldn't be out there.
 
How do the scalpers even operate now with the digital tickets? I haven't bought from a scalper in a long time. I don't have a problem with them. The American way, free enterprise, and they provide a service. Last time I dealt with them I was surprised how organized they were. It's like they all met before the game and decided what price point they were paying/selling at. I had some Pitt tickets (when paper was still available) and about 3 different scalpers wouldn't budge from the same offer price.
not sure but they are there. truly hope that the digital ticket era completely wipes out this abomination of an industry..

the day you can go to a football game or baseball game in the north shore and not be surrounded by this filth, will be a beautiful day..
 
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ignore them? I agree, that's usually my strategy.


i foolishly approached him a year or two ago for tickets though. a dumb move by me admittedly, supporting this garbage industry of scalping.. a mistake i wont make again..
Anyone who went to Pitt should know better than to engage .

Most of those guys weren’t “homeless “ Tim with the dreads - I saw get out of a SUV- on my way down from Trees - so I laughed at him and pointed out he had nicer shoes than me . He got upset and yelled at me .

That was my last time .

Sombrero man lived squirrel hill and had tons of cash . Which I witnessed first hand while working at rite aid .
 
Anyone who went to Pitt should know better than to engage .

Most of those guys weren’t “homeless “ Tim with the dreads - I saw get out of a SUV- on my way down from Trees - so I laughed at him and pointed out he had nicer shoes than me . He got upset and yelled at me .

That was my last time .

Sombrero man lived squirrel hill and had tons of cash . Which I witnessed first hand while working at rite aid .
in college, when bar hopping, my buddy gave a 10 dollar bill to a homeless guy sitting on the sidewalk right in front of CJs.. two hours later, we saw him at the attic drinking St. pauli Girl bottles. we were drinking quarter drafts..

my friend was so pissed, he yelled over, HEy, i bought you that beer. dude just laughed..
 
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Anyone who went to Pitt should know better than to engage .

Most of those guys weren’t “homeless “ Tim with the dreads - I saw get out of a SUV- on my way down from Trees - so I laughed at him and pointed out he had nicer shoes than me . He got upset and yelled at me .

That was my last time .

Sombrero man lived squirrel hill and had tons of cash . Which I witnessed first hand while working at rite aid .
Sombrero man would admit to you his act of having some type of disability was itself an act.
 
Sombrero man would admit to you his act of having some type of disability was itself an act.

Not in the same category as these panhandlers but I loved Scotty the Hot Dog guy. Dude was a straight legend. Some of the best hot dogs and pulled chicken sandwiches I ever had.

Also, I cant believe the O and Fuel & Fuddle didn't have enough value for someone to buy them and put move them somewhere cheaper like in the suburbs. The Brighton Hot Dog Shop does well.
 
Not in the same category as these panhandlers but I loved Scotty the Hot Dog guy. Dude was a straight legend. Some of the best hot dogs and pulled chicken sandwiches I ever had.

Also, I cant believe the O and Fuel & Fuddle didn't have enough value for someone to buy them and put move them somewhere cheaper like in the suburbs. The Brighton Hot Dog Shop does well.

the O was in Penn Hills for a very short time, and also had a run in Plum. I went to the Plum outlet once and remember it being a lot more expensive than the Oakland one. It also didn't last long I believe.

Scotty was very good. Great hot dogs and just a fun guy to talk to. I swear the price was different every week, depending on how he felt.
 
Not in the same category as these panhandlers but I loved Scotty the Hot Dog guy. Dude was a straight legend. Some of the best hot dogs and pulled chicken sandwiches I ever had.

Also, I cant believe the O and Fuel & Fuddle didn't have enough value for someone to buy them and put move them somewhere cheaper like in the suburbs. The Brighton Hot Dog Shop does well.
love the brighton hot dog shop. any time im in cranberry, i make a visit..


i dont know why or how but there are so few good hot dog places around me. only place i can think of is the red caboose but that's way the hell out 51 almost going into belle vernon. and they are open like 1 day a week, terrible hours..
 
love the brighton hot dog shop. any time im in cranberry, i make a visit..


i dont know why or how but there are so few good hot dog places around me. only place i can think of is the red caboose but that's way the hell out 51 almost going into belle vernon. and they are open like 1 day a week, terrible hours..

Sheetz 2 for $1. Busting inflation single-handedly
 
love the brighton hot dog shop. any time im in cranberry, i make a visit..


i dont know why or how but there are so few good hot dog places around me. only place i can think of is the red caboose but that's way the hell out 51 almost going into belle vernon. and they are open like 1 day a week, terrible hours..

there's a little hot dog diner on Perry highway in McCandless but their hot dogs are fairly unremarkable.
 
Sheetz 2 for $1. Busting inflation single-handedly
sheetz dogs on the pretzel roll isnt bad. they are much more than a buck though, not sure what deal you are getting..

back in the day, (the 90s), place called Crossroads (basically a gas station - convenience store) did 3 chilli cheese dogs for 99 cents. in high school, after drinking in the woods, we'd all go there. they were awesome..

the dude working behind the counter would see 6 high school kids walking in at 11pm at night and get soo pissed cause he knew he was making hot dogs for the next 15 minutes..
 
there's a little hot dog diner on Perry highway in McCandless but their hot dogs are fairly unremarkable.
there was a place in dormont, dude made like high end hot dogs lol, i kid you not. they were expensive but good. Right off potomac, around back.

but the owner robbed a bank or something and it closed. obviously revenue was down if he had to rob a bank.
 
there was a place in dormont, dude made like high end hot dogs lol, i kid you not. they were expensive but good. Right off potomac, around back.

but the owner robbed a bank or something and it closed. obviously revenue was down if he had to rob a bank.
If you go to the Zoo- stop my Lock and Dam outside for a good dog or hamburger
 
sheetz dogs on the pretzel roll isnt bad. they are much more than a buck though, not sure what deal you are getting..

back in the day, (the 90s), place called Crossroads (basically a gas station - convenience store) did 3 chilli cheese dogs for 99 cents. in high school, after drinking in the woods, we'd all go there. they were awesome..

the dude working behind the counter would see 6 high school kids walking in at 11pm at night and get soo pissed cause he knew he was making hot dogs for the next 15 minutes..

They are 2 for $1, even of the pretzel roll if you scan your Sheetz reward card. Then, I basically get 10 gallon drink (it seems) every time because they give you a million points for buying anything. I swear they are trying to go out of business.
 
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