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OT: Anyone else read the ESPN report about the REAL Patriot spygate?

I agree. But there is remarkable lack of out cry. Least of all from other teams. So that signals that all teams must do some measure of the same.

And Vegas must not be truly concerned either, or you'd see some major discipline imposed. Bookmakers are the backbone of NFL popularity, and if they think something happening is rigging the games and threatening their profits, I think there would be major pressure for crackdown. They'd pressure network honchos, who would put the foot on the necks of the league. The networks in turn would amp up hype and manufacture public anger.

But none of that seems happening. Everyone just seems to want GAME ON, and the sheep will quickly forget.
 
pitt-girl said:
My Lord. This is way, way worse than what was originally reported and honestly I can't believe they went to these lengths and got away with it. And shame on the NFL for not reporting it. I had little left but now I have ZERO respect for that organization, owner and HC. CHEATERS.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/allege...tons-parties--the-patriots-way-191617766.html
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I read the report on the ESPN website, and it's shocking and unbelievable that the league commissioner would actually participate in the cover-up -- which included destroying the evidence.

The gamblers must be going nuts. Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain it, but how could Vegas set a line on games with so much cheating going-on under everyone's noses?
 
geeman2001 said:
I agree. But there is remarkable lack of out cry. Least of all from other teams. So that signals that all teams must do some measure of the same.

And Vegas must not be truly concerned either, or you'd see some major discipline imposed. Bookmakers are the backbone of NFL popularity, and if they think something happening is rigging the games and threatening their profits, I think there would be major pressure for crackdown. They'd pressure network honchos, who would put the foot on the necks of the league. The networks in turn would amp up hype and manufacture public anger.

But none of that seems happening. Everyone just seems to want GAME ON, and the sheep will quickly forget.
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I actually think the absence of an outcry has more to do with the owners trying to save face which in turn quiets everyone within their organizations vs. some kind of indication that "everyone does it". But ultimately this is about the fans and until there is real blowback from them, nothing will happen but spoken outrage.
 
Frankly I don't consider anything that came out a big shock. I assumed they were doing everything they could to get an advantage, including all forms of espionage. And anyone that says knowing the other teams calls ahead of time isn't that big of an advantage has never coached. It's a huge advantage to know what defense is coming.
 
pitt-girl said:
I actually think the absence of an outcry has more to do with the owners trying to save face which in turn quiets everyone within their organizations vs. some kind of indication that "everyone does it". But ultimately this is about the fans and until there is real blowback from them, nothing will happen but spoken outrage.
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I guess I'm more cynical that other orgs wouldn't be trying to get similar advantages and loathe to face additional scrutiny. For example, the Pats wouldn't be the only ones messing with footballs if they could do it and their QB wanted it.

But yes, the other owners definitely have a vested interest to circle the wagons just to minimize the noise of it if nothing else.

But I see little signs of public outcry, either way. Remarkably little in Pgh either, and you'd think there would be, considering this could be the fabled "smoking gun" proving NE had cheated the Steelers out of two other SB trips (which i personally think is bunk but has a lot of support). There is little that arouses more passion in Pgh after all than a Super Bowl. But in my travels locally the past 2 days, "30 hours to game time!", seems to be all that matters.
 
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geeman2001 said:
I guess I'm more cynical that other orgs wouldn't be trying to get similar advantages and loathe to face additional scrutiny. For example, the Pats wouldn't be the only ones messing with footballs if they could do it and their QB wanted it.

But yes, the other owners definitely have a vested interest to circle the wagons just to minimize the noise of it if nothing else.

But I see little signs of public outcry, either way. Remarkably little in Pgh either, and you'd think there would be, considering this could be the fabled "smoking gun" proving NE had cheated the Steelers out of two other SB trips (which i personally think is bunk but has a lot of support). There is little that arouses more passion in Pgh after all than a Super Bowl. But in my travels locally the past 2 days, "30 hours to game time!", seems to be all that matters.
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Geeman - did you read the whole ESPN expose? It pretty clear detailed the Patriot's DID cheat against the Steeler's during the playoff's. Now if that cheating actually resulted in the win's could be debated.
 
pitt-girl said:
Geeman - did you read the whole ESPN expose? It pretty clear detailed the Patriot's DID cheat against the Steeler's during the playoff's. Now if that cheating actually resulted in the win's could be debated.
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The reverse smoking gun would be allowing tds off blocked kicks and punt returns. No amount of stolen info can really account for that. Then there's allowing an ice-cold Drew Bledsoe to come off a gurney (almost literally) and demolish them... or to game-plan for Kordell to win the game with his arm and (shudder) brain rather than his legs ...

I guess I don't put as much stock in a little pilfered info than most. I usually see games as more lost by the loser than won by the winner, at least close ones. But I'm cynical that way (maybe because Pitt loses most games with dumb unforced errors).

I fully agree that most would think closer to you, that the Steelers were definitely meaningfully victimized ... and I'm surprised I'm not hearing more of it.
 
Anybody ever wonder why all those top sports reporters and "news hounds" in Pittsburgh never came up with anything on this story. Wouldn't this have been a good story for Ron Cook or Starkey or Pomp?

Just wonderin'...

Go Pitt.
 
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