OT: Bowlsby playoff news

[TIGER-PAUL]

Bowlsby: '24 CFP expansion 'in some jeopardy'

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said expanding the CFP as soon as the 2024 season is "in some jeopardy," noting logistical challenges the longer it takes for the CFP management committee to reach a resolution.

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Currently, it takes consensus of all 11 members of the management committee to move forward on a playoff proposal that would still need approval from the university presidents and chancellors who oversee the CFP.

The next scheduled meeting of the commissioners and the presidents is around the national championship game in Indianapolis on Jan. 10, but the commissioners could convene again sooner.

Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff said Friday night before his league's title game in Las Vegas that the group was starting to look beyond the current agreement and at the possibility the next iteration of the playoff would not need approval from the so-called Group of 5 conferences.

"I don't think we need 11 people to say yes to get to a solution that would be good for college football. If we find that solution, then we can focus on whether or not we can also get to that solution for '24 and '25," Kliavkoff said.

"I think you start by saying, 'What is the group that needs to agree on a model?' We can then hopefully invite the rest to join us in. So it's just a different paradigm about how you think about who gets to make a decision about what the model looks like."
One of the issues that has become a stumbling block to expansion is which conferences are guaranteed automatic access for their champions.

Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren was the first commissioner to come out publicly in support for guaranteeing access for all Power 5 conference champions and just the highest-ranked champion from the five other conferences.

"So I'm a big believer in the automatic qualifier for the Big Ten conference and the other Power 5 conferences," Warren told SiriusXM this week.
Group of 5 conference commissioners, most notably Mike Aresco from the American Athletic Conference, prefer automatic access not be limited to Power 5 champions.

Earlier in the week, Sankey said he still favors the six-best-champions model the subgroup proposed. Bowlsby on Saturday laid out one of the reasons the group avoided automatic access for just the Power 5.

"We found out the extent to which we anoint ourselves in the privileges, including automatic access, is usually the extent to which we get called before Congress or we get challenged legally," Bowlsby said. "There are good reasons why we proposed six highest-ranked conference champions and those reasons haven't changed."

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Bowlsby: '24 CFP expansion 'in some jeopardy'

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said expanding the CFP as soon as the 2024 season is "in some jeopardy," noting logistical challenges the longer it takes for the CFP management committee to reach a resolution.

www.espn.com

Currently, it takes consensus of all 11 members of the management committee to move forward on a playoff proposal that would still need approval from the university presidents and chancellors who oversee the CFP.

The next scheduled meeting of the commissioners and the presidents is around the national championship game in Indianapolis on Jan. 10, but the commissioners could convene again sooner.

Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff said Friday night before his league's title game in Las Vegas that the group was starting to look beyond the current agreement and at the possibility the next iteration of the playoff would not need approval from the so-called Group of 5 conferences.

"I don't think we need 11 people to say yes to get to a solution that would be good for college football. If we find that solution, then we can focus on whether or not we can also get to that solution for '24 and '25," Kliavkoff said.

"I think you start by saying, 'What is the group that needs to agree on a model?' We can then hopefully invite the rest to join us in. So it's just a different paradigm about how you think about who gets to make a decision about what the model looks like."
One of the issues that has become a stumbling block to expansion is which conferences are guaranteed automatic access for their champions.

Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren was the first commissioner to come out publicly in support for guaranteeing access for all Power 5 conference champions and just the highest-ranked champion from the five other conferences.

"So I'm a big believer in the automatic qualifier for the Big Ten conference and the other Power 5 conferences," Warren told SiriusXM this week.
Group of 5 conference commissioners, most notably Mike Aresco from the American Athletic Conference, prefer automatic access not be limited to Power 5 champions.

Earlier in the week, Sankey said he still favors the six-best-champions model the subgroup proposed. Bowlsby on Saturday laid out one of the reasons the group avoided automatic access for just the Power 5.

"We found out the extent to which we anoint ourselves in the privileges, including automatic access, is usually the extent to which we get called before Congress or we get challenged legally," Bowlsby said. "There are good reasons why we proposed six highest-ranked conference champions and those reasons haven't changed."

There should definitely be automatic qualifiers for conference champs.

 

[pittdan77]

There should definitely be automatic qualifiers for conference champs.

That’s okay but the model that Bowlsby proposed would have had the PAC12 shut out last year. You can imagine why that didn’t fly.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

That’s okay but the model that Bowlsby proposed would have had the PAC12 shut out last year. You can imagine why that didn’t fly.

Seems to be too much greed to get a relatively fair system

 

[pittdan77]

Seems to be too much greed to get a relatively fair system

Not really a new concept.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Not really a new concept.

Yes. But they have an excellent system for basketball. Seems logical that they can translate that into football.

 

[pittdan77]

Yes. But they have an excellent system for basketball. Seems logical that they can translate that into football.

If you could play two games a weekend, might work. TV isn’t interested in a bunch of blowouts shoehorned into the end of the NFL season or between NFL playoff games.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

If you could play two games a weekend, might work. TV isn’t interested in a bunch of blowouts shoehorned into the end of the NFL season or between NFL playoff games.

I don’t mean 64 teams in. Ha

 

[pittdan77]

I don’t mean 64 teams in. Ha

I didn’t think so. Just not sure how you replicate basketball effectively.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Bowlsby: '24 CFP expansion 'in some jeopardy'

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said expanding the CFP as soon as the 2024 season is "in some jeopardy," noting logistical challenges the longer it takes for the CFP management committee to reach a resolution.

www.espn.com

Currently, it takes consensus of all 11 members of the management committee to move forward on a playoff proposal that would still need approval from the university presidents and chancellors who oversee the CFP.

The next scheduled meeting of the commissioners and the presidents is around the national championship game in Indianapolis on Jan. 10, but the commissioners could convene again sooner.

Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff said Friday night before his league's title game in Las Vegas that the group was starting to look beyond the current agreement and at the possibility the next iteration of the playoff would not need approval from the so-called Group of 5 conferences.

"I don't think we need 11 people to say yes to get to a solution that would be good for college football. If we find that solution, then we can focus on whether or not we can also get to that solution for '24 and '25," Kliavkoff said.

"I think you start by saying, 'What is the group that needs to agree on a model?' We can then hopefully invite the rest to join us in. So it's just a different paradigm about how you think about who gets to make a decision about what the model looks like."
One of the issues that has become a stumbling block to expansion is which conferences are guaranteed automatic access for their champions.

Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren was the first commissioner to come out publicly in support for guaranteeing access for all Power 5 conference champions and just the highest-ranked champion from the five other conferences.

"So I'm a big believer in the automatic qualifier for the Big Ten conference and the other Power 5 conferences," Warren told SiriusXM this week.
Group of 5 conference commissioners, most notably Mike Aresco from the American Athletic Conference, prefer automatic access not be limited to Power 5 champions.

Earlier in the week, Sankey said he still favors the six-best-champions model the subgroup proposed. Bowlsby on Saturday laid out one of the reasons the group avoided automatic access for just the Power 5.

"We found out the extent to which we anoint ourselves in the privileges, including automatic access, is usually the extent to which we get called before Congress or we get challenged legally," Bowlsby said. "There are good reasons why we proposed six highest-ranked conference champions and those reasons haven't changed."

Easy.

4 P4 champs regardless of record
1 G6 champ (Big 12 most years)
3 wildcards

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Big Ten commish Kevin Warren: “I’m 100% for expansion. What’s the right number? We’ve bantered around 8. Want to make sure we grow it slowly. Also, 12 is attractive.
3 things for me: we need to protect bowls, big believer in auto bids & open it up to multiple media partners"


Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Pac-12 would reduce league football games from 9 to 8 “tomorrow,” if Big Ten would do same. “But (Big 10) not ready to do that yet.” If so, the leagues could start scheduling alliance - similar to ACC/Big 10 hoops challenge, Kliavkoff said

Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff: “The concept we announce home & home (football games) in 2036 & 2037 is insane"


ACC’s Jim Phillips said there will be
@CFBPlayoff
expansion “at some point, but I don’t know when that will be. There are options at eight & 12 (teams)"

ACC’s Jim Phillips on
@CFBPlayoff
expansion: “We need to take our time. From ACC standpoint, health & wellness, number of games matters. When we play those games matter"


SEC Greg Sankey says even though there are disagreements about the 12-team model, it is still the best format for the sport going forward.

 

[Pitt79]

TV isn’t interested in a bunch of blowouts shoehorned into the end of the NFL season or between NFL playoff games.

You mean like when Notre Dame makes the Playoffs?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Easy.

4 P4 champs regardless of record
1 G6 champ (Big 12 most years)
3 wildcards

I'd say P4/5 champs and then the other 3-4 at large based on CFP rankings. I don't think G5 schools should get an automatic bid.

 

[pittdan77]

You mean like when Notre Dame makes the Playoffs?

Exactly like that, and many more.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'd say P4/5 champs and then the other 3-4 at large based on CFP rankings. I don't think G5 schools should get an automatic bid.

For sure, G5 schools shouldn't get an auto especially with 4 of the better ones moving to the Big 12. That's why I say put B12 into the G6 category and give the G6 (Big 12 most years) 1 auto bid.

 

[Pitt79]

I'd say P4/5 champs and then the other 3-4 at large based on CFP rankings. I don't think G5 schools should get an automatic bid.

I think they either should get one or be removed from FBS, because it's stupid having like 50 teams who NEVER deserve to get a chance.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

That's (G5 not having a vote) not off the table either.

Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff said Friday night before his league’s title game in Las Vegas that the group was starting to look beyond the current agreement and at the possibility the next iteration of the playoff would not need approval from the so-called Group of Five conferences.

“I think you start by saying, ‘What is the group that needs to agree on a model?’ We can then hopefully invite the rest to join us in. So it’s just a different paradigm about how you think about who gets to make a decision about what the model looks like.”

 

[pittbb80]

Geez. This is more complicated that rocket science and brain surgery. I mean it’s not like there’s a model out there already to copy (Fcs).

why not just go to 16 and get it over with. Get rid of the meaningless bowls that players are opting out of and fans no longer attend

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Geez. This is more complicated that rocket science and brain surgery. I mean it’s not like there’s a model out there already to copy (Fcs).

why not just go to 16 and get it over with. Get rid of the meaningless bowls that players are opting out of and fans no longer attend

Almost everyone is trying to figure out how they get the most out of it. Almost none are thinking what is the best for college football.

When complications arise, you can be sure someone is trying to rig the system in their favor.

 

[Pitt79]

why not just go to 16 and get it over with. Get rid of the meaningless bowls that players are opting out of and fans no longer attend

Players should opt out of the playoffs too, THE SAME RISK of LO$T MILLION$.

 

[pittdan77]

That's (G5 not having a vote) not off the table either.

Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff said Friday night before his league’s title game in Las Vegas that the group was starting to look beyond the current agreement and at the possibility the next iteration of the playoff would not need approval from the so-called Group of Five conferences.

“I think you start by saying, ‘What is the group that needs to agree on a model?’ We can then hopefully invite the rest to join us in. So it’s just a different paradigm about how you think about who gets to make a decision about what the model looks like.”

I think there will be two tiers of playoffs. The NCAA is in the process of rewriting its constitution to take away the power of smaller schools from affecting how bigger ones operate. At this point, it will probably be easier to sit back and wait rather than force the issue.

 

[Pitt79]

I think there will be two tiers of playoffs. The NCAA is in the process of rewriting its constitution to take away the power of smaller schools from affecting how bigger ones operate. At this point, it will probably be easier to sit back and wait rather than force the issue.

What about the "smaller" schools, that really BIG, like UCF who has like 60K students, who want to be players in football, but are stuck in the lesser conferences?

 

[pittdan77]

What about the "smaller" schools, that really BIG, like UCF who has like 60K students, who want to be players in football, but are stuck in the lesser conferences?

They'll be in the Big12 by then.

Edit: Who else would be left holding the bag? It's not like everything hasn't been picked over already.

 

[CJsE]

For sure, G5 schools shouldn't get an auto especially with 4 of the better ones moving to the Big 12. That's why I say put B12 into the G6 category and give the G6 (Big 12 most years) 1 auto bid.

I mean I like to shit on the WVU fans about their futue conference as much as the next, but does anyone actually think the upcoming change will make them less competitive? Prestige is one thing, but BYU, Cincinannati, and UCF are already solid programs without being in a P5 conference.

 

[PittMan 72]

I mean I like to shit on the WVU fans about their futue conference as much as the next, but does anyone actually think the upcoming change will make them less competitive? Prestige is one thing, but BYU, Cincinannati, and UCF are already solid programs without being in a P5 conference.

The difference won’t be so much about competitiveness. It will be about PRESTIGE.

And also about finances. I have heard that after TX and OU leave, the Big XII’s TV contract payout will drop precipitously. So we’ll see.

 

[pittdan77]

I mean I like to shit on the WVU fans about their futue conference as much as the next, but does anyone actually think the upcoming change will make them less competitive? Prestige is one thing, but BYU, Cincinannati, and UCF are already solid programs without being in a P5 conference.

They've had a bunch of kids bolt. Their current class is decent but they have a bit of a hill to climb to get the roster up to par. No idea if UT and OU leaving have anything to do with that but perception will definitely be something the conference will need to overcome.

And also about finances. I have heard that after TX and OU leave, the Big XII’s TV contract payout will drop precipitously. So we’ll see.

This is the multi-million dollar question. The difference in what the conference is losing versus what it is gaining is lightyears apart. WVU would be wise to keep knocking on the ACC's door. Makes more sense for them on so many levels.

 

[PittMan 72]

They've had a bunch of kids bolt. Their current class is decent but they have a bit of a hill to climb to get the roster up to par. No idea if UT and OU leaving have anything to do with that but perception will definitely be something the conference will need to overcome.


This is the multi-million dollar question. The difference in what the conference is losing versus what it is gaining is lightyears apart. WVU would be wise to keep knocking on the ACC's door. Makes more sense for them on so many levels.

Sure, and they probably will. But Fats Domino sang it best:

 

[pittdan77]

Sure, and they probably will. But Fats Domino sang it best:

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At this point, I have no idea what the powers that be are thinking but I wouldn't be shocked if they don't decide a bigger four is better than five when it comes to power conferences, money, and the CFP.

 

[PittMan 72]

At this point, I have no idea what the powers that be are thinking but I wouldn't be shocked if they don't decide a bigger four is better than five when it comes to power conferences, money, and the CFP.

I wonder the same. Less eaters = BIGGER piece$ of the pie!

Maybe they’ll have an adults table (P4) and a kids table (the rest)?

Thought it was interesting that the Alliance omitted the Big XII.

 

[pittdan77]

I wonder the same. Less eaters = BIGGER piece$ of the pie!

Maybe they’ll have an adults table (P4) and a kids table (the rest)?

Thought it was interesting that the Alliance omitted the Big XII.

The CFP payouts per P5 conference last year were anywhere from $70-$78 million per conference. The temptation to cut the Big12 out is absolutely in the back of some people's minds even if they're not saying it out loud. If four conferences are at 14, the difference per school, per conference is pretty big. That would probably transfer over to TV money as well.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I mean I like to shit on the WVU fans about their futue conference as much as the next, but does anyone actually think the upcoming change will make them less competitive? Prestige is one thing, but BYU, Cincinannati, and UCF are already solid programs without being in a P5 conference.

In the long-run, absolutely. They lose a blue blood and the richest program whi eventually will get out of its own way.

They should not have an equal seat. Make them part of the G6 and they'd probably earn a bid every year anyway and it theoretically gives the the other 5 leagues a chance.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The CFP payouts per P5 conference last year were anywhere from $70-$78 million per conference. The temptation to cut the Big12 out is absolutely in the back of some people's minds even if they're not saying it out loud. If four conferences are at 14, the difference per school, per conference is pretty big. That would probably transfer over to TV money as well.

I dont know why they'd cut them in. The Big 12 is:

5 former mid-majors (WVU, Cincy, UCF, TCU, BYU)

2 Kansas's (who cares)

Iowa State (who cares)

The less popular OK and TX programs.

For them to have the same seat would be ridiculous

 

[RaleighPittFan]

I dont know why they'd cut them in. The Big 12 is:

5 former mid-majors (WVU, Cincy, UCF, TCU, BYU)

2 Kansas's (who cares)

Iowa State (who cares)

The less popular OK and TX programs.

For them to have the same seat would be ridiculous

Bingo.

All of them will be trying to get into a real conference, too. Not that I see any of those schools getting an opportunity to do so.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

I think there will be two tiers of playoffs. The NCAA is in the process of rewriting its constitution to take away the power of smaller schools from affecting how bigger ones operate. At this point, it will probably be easier to sit back and wait rather than force the issue.

They will also begin stealing their developed players also. They will become the D league for the Power 5

The PAC whatever number it is now and the Big whatever # it is now, will do to the smaller schools exactly what they are fighting to keep the SEC doing to them.

 

[Dointhatrag]

Big 12 couldn’t have gone better for a conference on life support. Two top 10 teams with neither moving to the SEC. plus a new member in the CFP. Based on performance they are earning their seat at the table.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Big 12 couldn’t have gone better for a conference on life support. Two top 10 teams with neither moving to the SEC. plus a new member in the CFP. Based on performance they are earning their seat at the table.

Performance doesn't matter. This is college football, remember? Its about money. Why should the P4 cut in the Big 12 and give them an equal share? If the P4 tells them they're earning some lesser amount and aren't guaranteed a bid but have to compete with the American, MWC, Sun Belt, CUSA, and MAC, what are they going to do, say no?

The Big 12 has horrible markets:

- the #2 team in the city of Cincinnati
- the #2 team in Orlando (behind UF)
- the #3 team in Houston (behind UT and A&M)
- the #4 and 5 teams in DFW (behind UT, A&M, and OU)
- Lubbock, Texas
- the small states of WV, Iowa, Kansas, and Utah

How in the world should they get an equal share?

 

[Papillion]

Performance doesn't matter. This is college football, remember? Its about money. Why should the P4 cut in the Big 12 and give them an equal share? If the P4 tells them they're earning some lesser amount and aren't guaranteed a bid but have to compete with the American, MWC, Sun Belt, CUSA, and MAC, what are they going to do, say no?

The Big 12 has horrible markets:

- the #2 team in the city of Cincinnati
- the #2 team in Orlando (behind UF)
- the #3 team in Houston (behind UT and A&M)
- the #4 and 5 teams in DFW (behind UT, A&M, and OU)
- Lubbock, Texas
- the small states of WV, Iowa, Kansas, and Utah

How in the world should they get an equal share?

It's also ridiculous to say performance doesn't matter because if it didn't, how did Cincy get in this year? I know you're talking about conference overall but the Big 12, even without OU and UT, is a much, much better conference than the rest of the current G5 schools, and that's top to bottom.

They may be losing two blue bloods but they're only losing one high performer. Market wise, they still should be able to pull in decent money, which I'd say 23 to 28 million per. It's not the 39 WVU is making now but it's not a catastrophe or program killer. They'll just have to watch their spending a little closer and take a little longer to get/add things but they can still do it.

The problem with CFB is the NCAA is being run by CURRENT employees of the schools they're overseeing--the fox is running the hen house. They need to get a hold on what is going on to the college way of life they'll slowly lose fans over time. They need to tweak the transfer rule to make it fairer to the schools without taking away the choice for the students then it won't hurt so much. And the business of conferences changing just because a contract is expiring is completely ridiculous in itself.

But to say the Big 12 doesn't deserve a piece, at least for now is nonsense. You can't just take something like that away without a legal threat. The new Big 12 isn't going to be nearly as bad as a lost of people are making it.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

I don’t know, everyone said if Clem and FSU bolted it was death knell for ACC. I don’t really care if they are kept in it competitively. But they’re tv contract is going to get gutted from the current.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It's also ridiculous to say performance doesn't matter because if it didn't, how did Cincy get in this year? I know you're talking about conference overall but the Big 12, even without OU and UT, is a much, much better conference than the rest of the current G5 schools, and that's top to bottom.

They may be losing two blue bloods but they're only losing one high performer. Market wise, they still should be able to pull in decent money, which I'd say 23 to 28 million per. It's not the 39 WVU is making now but it's not a catastrophe or program killer. They'll just have to watch their spending a little closer and take a little longer to get/add things but they can still do it.

The problem with CFB is the NCAA is being run by CURRENT employees of the schools they're overseeing--the fox is running the hen house. They need to get a hold on what is going on to the college way of life they'll slowly lose fans over time. They need to tweak the transfer rule to make it fairer to the schools without taking away the choice for the students then it won't hurt so much. And the business of conferences changing just because a contract is expiring is completely ridiculous in itself.

But to say the Big 12 doesn't deserve a piece, at least for now is nonsense. You can't just take something like that away without a legal threat. The new Big 12 isn't going to be nearly as bad as a lost of people are making it.

Its a bunch of mid-majorish programs, no blue bloods, and terrible markets. There's no reason they should be granted equal access. They can be lumped in with the G5 and get that bid every year. Long-term, the Big 12 is utter garbage.

 

[Pitt79]

Exactly like that, and many more.

Then Notre Dame should be shunned and ridiculed like a G5 team from now on. They've proven over and over that they don't belong in the CFP.