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OT: Clery Act fine levied
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It's either Phil with his 1000th handle or a nitter. That is what is funny, if it wasn't primarily sad and bizarre. In the mean time, this topic keeps getting bumped to the top of the board.
PENNLIVE, Patriot News Staff, and Sara Ganim are proven correct today, and deserve praise for bringing true athletic Integrity to Penn State University. When they are Honored someday, then Honor will be in place unlike the never was of yesterday!
It was worst in my opinion, Joe for whatever reason personally attacked other Coaches, Schools, Programs, Players and established a false reputation that many of his and followers believed. They fell for his narrative that the Penn State Way was the right way, and Joe was wrong to do it when he causing the University lack of following the all the rules as stated in the Freeh & Clery Reports.
Joe in his end of days started to make amends by inviting them to dinners, but he did real damage to College Football especially when it has come out he resisted implementing Laws, Compliance's and Rules he chose to ignore?
Joe should have retired or be fired, when he threaten Penn State & Employees by saying he would not raise money and caused an intimidation atmosphere showing he was out of touch of the realities that he only the Coach at Penn State due to Penn State University giving him that opportunity, and he himself was an Employee.
When Joe refused to even discuss in 2004 he Retirement and Penn State was in fear to enforce Federal Laws on Title IX, adopt Big Ten Athletic Integrity Agreement, and could have Institutional Control over Joe, plus being in Undisclosed business Interests with Trustees.
This is where Joe got bigger than the University and his march towards 409 was an unintended joint design approved by Spanier who could not dare to challenge Joe and at the same time, rewarded Gerry Sandusky for The Second Mile being part of Penn State?
College Football was changing with more Title IX Regulations, NCAA Rules, and Social Values and Joe thought just talking about Graduation Rates, defending Players so only eh could Discipline them so he could play them, was in ever changing world Paterno never adapted too. Joe became Penn State Football and the fact was a big mistake for Penn State.
Today, No Coach can become bigger than the university and all must come under the Federal & State Laws, NCAA Rules, Conference Rules, and University Regulations as overseen by Trustee or Regents and the Chancellors or President in charge to execute them.
Baylor University found that out too! Penn State still has Remnants of the Corrupt Penn State Football Culture burned into the memories of its older Alumni, that feel Joe was given a raw deal.
When in reality Joe's Success was not based on the Honor they weer told by slogans and just allowed to stay too long at Penn State because Penn State wanted the money even when Joe was winning as the 6th best Team in the Big Ten so he get 409 NCAA Record.
Today, after all the Fines, paying for all the Trials, Defense, Lawsuits, Reforms, and having to hire many more Staffers for Athletic integrity Compliance's and overseeing Children Protection Procedures & Training for all Employees and Students....Penn State Budget is $5 Billion lighter and still growing over the Penn State Football Scandal.
This is why it is the worst scandal in college football history and LSU, FSU, USC, and even Baylor won't compare to what happen at Penn State University Football Program during the Paterno Era!
It will be a tainted 409 Record that needed a 409 Clean Up and Legacy to move on from even if it has to erase some great memories!
And don't forget he got Vicky Triponey fired for actually standing up to him. If you talk to a Joebot though, she was incompetent, a bitch and/or a lesbian.
Exactly, and I have been attacked by BWI Posters and attempts to discredit her are now debunked. This was the EXACT PROBLEM sometimes Joe brought upon himself. It was joined by Spanier and Schultz and Curley marched in locked step way back in 1996 with Curtis Enis, Rashad Casey later, and then it went on and on until busted.And don't forget he got Vicky Triponey fired for actually standing up to him. If you talk to a Joebot though, she was incompetent, a bitch and/or a lesbian.
Joe Paterno nor Art Briles were responsible for the Clery Act it was the College Presidents just like the making sure the follow NCAA Rules. Yet, as the DOE Clery Act Violations Report & Freeh Report pointed out Paterno interfered with many aspects of PSU from enforcing Title IX, AIA, Clery Act and other Athletic Integrity Compliance's.
Now that it is coming home i still see no Ray Blehar's Analysis how the Freeh Report or Clery investigative report were ever wrong about Penn State. I would keep an open mind if he does too. But for a Guy that bragged about working for Inspector General's Reports, the Education Department Title IX Clery Act should have been right up his expertise and alley to analyze. Just an opinion!
I respected many aspects of Ray Blehar's Blog on different aspects how PAOAG and Others did and did not investigate some Criminal aspects as well as parts of the Freeh Report dealing with that aspect. I support more inquiries too, but Ray never understood the compliance part now out and verified! I commend Ray on that aspect and Ziegler attacked Ray as well proves Ray far more reliable and verifiable with his work. Some PSU trustees did bring shame upon Penn State by being in Undisclosed Businesses, with the University and some Employees.
As well as, The Second Mile was given a complete pass along with DPW and in my view some constitutional rights of Sandusky were stepped upon by some Prosecutors now part of the Porn Judicial Scandal, that has gone silently away? I still think the Victim's and Matt Sandusky will prevail and told the truth so i am not saying Sandusky is Innocent by any means, just how he went to Trial and had a horrible Defense in a hurried process is important or all and anyone being prosecuted anytime. Constitutional Rights are supreme to protect all of us for a right to defend against anything. I have no problem with a New Trial and i don't think there would be a different verdict, but again, just an opinion.
This is not an attack on Ray either just pointing out he never challenged that Clery Act aspect, nor did Jim Clemente that has been very silent now that Unsealed Documents have provided some allegations under oath and who knew what and when?
BTW, I recall you were the first to alert me on the Lair when I posted Briles as an Elite Coach. You said there were episodes on his recruiting of Thugs that attacked Women and had big problems many other programs avoided. Thank you for educating me way back when!
I still judge Paterno & Briles on separating their Coaching from running their Programs. In the case of Paterno he just stayed too long and refused to accept new rules over him, and it hurt his Legacy. Joe became more confused as well as seen once he got sick after 2005 but wanted that 409, that was mistake.
Briles was told to stay out of Title IX Enforcement but he too had to ignore something Briles now admits & regrets. I think he would change if hired again unlike Paterno that believed he never needed any changes. Just an opinion.
However, although the Penn State Football Culture has been given 2012 Reform, but agree with many there still exists major beliefs nothing went wrong, and until Penn state grows some courage to bring back and Honor Sara Ganim, Louis Freeh, Matt Sandusky, and other Media & Child Protection Experts the Culture is not changed!
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This is all just bunk. JVP did it the right way with no short cuts and always with honor. The DoE is a joke and needs to be completely overhauled. They rehashed the same Freeh lies again just for some click bait.
Only 27K of that fine is attributable to Sandusky
Only 27K of that fine is attributable to Sandusky
What flavor of Kool-Aide did they give you today?
So you're admitting the problem is more widespread at the University, rather than solely an issue with the football program?
Man that possibility you posted just hit me!!! And.......man the Big10 must really suck!!! For real man the Big10 must really suck!
Actually that wasn't reflective of the latter part of the Paterno era. PSU had 10 win teams or Major Bowl teams here or there but these same retards showing up on our site or their parents wanted him fired for being old and out of touch(which we now know was the case) a couple of times from 2000 on. Can't remember how many BCS Championships PSU played in. I mean solid Big10 program but not many Big10 titles in last 20 years no? Do they have a Big10 title in last 20? I mean they really have been OSUs and Michigan's bitch the last 20 years no? LOL PSU #12 team in country. Every year there is a team that gets to take that "fortunate" ride where everything(except Pitt loss LOL) falls there way.
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You do know it is 27K per incidence of failing to file an Arrest??? Sandusky was arrested and even then PSU was not filing the Federal Law requiring that reporting? PSU had another 82 Failures of other Players and Athletes as well.
Few on BWI do not even understand what Clery Act are all about, and maybe that is because it was not being enforced as DOE found in its Investigation.
You do know the DOJ is also recurrent investigating Penn State on Title IX and will come out with that additional Investigation as well?
Even Paterno's Lawyer's Child Molestation FBI Expert Jim Clemente did not address the Clery Act & Title IX Violations in the Freeh Report?
Nor has he made any comment on the Unsealed Documents on Victim's telling Joe in 1970s-80s, and Clemente said, way back when he was hired, if he ever found out otherwise he would withdraw, but so far just silence??? Need an update on that remark!
It is on YouTube in his own words!
A Cup of Joe with spoiled melted Peachy Paterno full of Sugar and a touch of Clery Act bitter Herbs!
I think that is being served in Green County SCI and is someone favorite drink and soon to be branded at Beaver & Baylor Stadiums! making money to pay for that $5 Billion Dollar Scandal Bill, never sleeps!
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Ouch, I just almost spit out my Tea.......now you are going to make me throw up, but great wit, and so be it. It is in the Grand Jury Investigative Reports Gerry was known to bribe the Victims when they threaten to talk about him, and then they would recant. Maybe now the Penn State Creamery was part of it.
Maybe one day, the Creamery will name Ice Cream flavors to Honor the Victims, Sara Ganim, Louie Freeh, Erickson, Joyner, Trustees and others that passed the 2012 Reforms that corrected the Clery Act Penn State Football Program Paterno Era.
Any chance you think that will happen?Success With Ice Cream But No Honor!
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Relax. Obvious troll job by one of "us" who are having some fun with yinz. I would do the same if I wasn't so lazy.
There is no 'culture' problem. There never was and there never will be. In 130 years of athletics not a single NCAA violation. No other place can say that. The entire report is BUNK.
And what does that matter? They have paid, I dont know $100 million or more and it has not affected the school or team one iota. The football team prints money, heck maybe even literally. I wouldn't be surprised it the US Mint had a branch location at PSU, that's how rich that program is.
You could probably take every single penny from PSU athletics and let them start tomorrow with literally $0.00 to their name and it wouldn't even affect anything.
Not so sure on Briles - I've learned for the most part people that ignore rules never change. They just learn how to be more discrete.
The "Joe Didn't Know"/"SE PA Buckhunter" poster has posted over on BWI for several years and has hundreds of posts over there.
So your premise is that a poster has hundreds of posts on BWI, just to set up a first post on here years later?
UM...no. Just no.
Well, you educated me ONCE years ago, and made me wary of Briles, and if you so again, well, like a wise man once said to me, "There is no sin in being Stupid, the sin is in of staying Stupid!" I shall now continue to be wary of Briles glowing Biblical Responses to the Regents, as he said he had no idea on other matters and told to keep out of them, like alleged RAPES???
Thanks Pitt-Girl!
Mike McQueary being terrified to tell what he saw... is a culture problem. PSU, Vandy, Baylor, wherever... if you have a situation where this kind of stuff doesn't put your athletic team on the backseat for the time being, huge culture problem.
The "Joe Didn't Know"/"SE PA Buckhunter" poster has posted over on BWI for several years and has hundreds of posts over there.
So your premise is that a poster has hundreds of posts on BWI, just to set up a first post on here years later?
Oh.....I didn't know. You know why? Cause I don't go over to that site and don't care what they have to say.
That is fine, but what you asserted in your previous post was just wrong.
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