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OT: Dri Archer Gone

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I'm sorry but this guy was the 97th pick in the draft last year. Now he's on the wire. I'm of the opinion that Tomlin doesn't really have much of a clue and that the club is not in good hands but that's me and opinions are what boards are about. If you look at what the Steelers are doing on draft day and some of the decisions being made, it's a good bet things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
 
draft pick failures are adding up.. By February, we will be able to officially add Jarvis Jones to the first round failures list.. Look at these early and mid round busts:

Mike Adams-2nd round
Alameda ???? - 4th round (never heard this name before today)
Chris (time to die) rainey- 5th round
Shamarko Thomas - 4th round
Jarvis Jones - 1st round
Cortez Allen- 4th round
Curtis Brown - 3rd round
Thad Gibson - 4th round
Ziggy Hood - 1st round
Kraig Urbik - 2nd round (never heard that name before today)
 
I don't consider anyone drafted after the 3rd round a bust. Also, Kraig Urbik wasn't a bust - he was misjudged in Pittsburgh. He was a starter for 4 years in Buffalo after getting let go by the Steelers. But I get your point. But compared to a lot of other teams, they are doing quite well in the draft.
 
Jarvis is a bust considering his first round, but he's actually contributing this year. Bud Dupree is going to be a beast. Same as a healthy shazier .

Dri a complete waste

Can't call anything later than the 3rd row a bust in my opinion.
 
How will the team remain consistently mediocre without him?
 
OH Pete said:
I don't consider anyone drafted after the 3rd round a bust. Also, Kraig Urbik wasn't a bust - he was misjudged in Pittsburgh. He was a starter for 4 years in Buffalo after getting let go by the Steelers. But I get your point. But compared to a lot of other teams, they are doing quite well in the draft.
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I need to review some of our "mid round" picks in early part of 2000's to after Tomlin arrived.. Team like Steelers needs to land some of these picks, build thru draft. Sounds cliché(ish) but we aren't exactly splash team with free agent pickups.. "Bust" could be bad term but a lot of 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks that never made a dent for team. . That's bad. You need 3rd and 4th round picks to at least play for you, maybe not HOF players but not asking too much for them to make the team..

In all fairness Tuitt and Bryant were damn good picks (all weed jokes aside of course). SHazier, I really like a healthy Shazier but can he be healthy. I think it was worth the risk though so not gonna beat Tomlin up on that one..

I know it will never happen in this day and age but if possible, you need to keep the HC out of the "War Room" as much as possible.. It's the GM's duties to construct the lineup, the coach's job to coach. We saw first hand what can happen when you give a HC more "say" in draft picks with the Cowher/Donahoe situation.. We have a damn good GM who picked wonderful, we added Tomlin and well those results dropped dramatically.
 
Mike Tomlin is losing it. The guy said just two days Archer's mistakes were exactly what Tomlin told him to do in those situations. Then he gets cut. Just seems odd. Jacoby Jones however was one of the best returners in the league with Baltimore.

On a side note, if Jones agreed to come play here, I really don't think even he believes Tomlin tried to trip him on purpose.
 
Pittx9 said:
Mike Tomlin is losing it. The guy said just two days Archer's mistakes were exactly what Tomlin told him to do in those situations. Then he gets cut. Just seems odd. Jacoby Jones however was one of the best returners in the league with Baltimore.

On a side note, if Jones agreed to come play here, I really don't think even he believes Tomlin tried to trip him on purpose.
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The head coach taking blame foR mediocre performance is losing it?

Should he deflect all failures to player execution?
 
SoufOaklin4Life said:
Dri is.
He's that useless.
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Agree to disagree. Archer had some potential, he just couldn't do anything other than return kicks so he wasn't worth a roster spot. Scobee was the worst player to ever put on a Steelers uniform.
 
The way that the Steelers' luck is going, Archer will get snatched-up by New England and instantly become a big play threat.
 
He could return kicks in a league that is trying to get rid of kick returns..
 
Pittx9 said:
Agree to disagree. Archer had some potential, he just couldn't do anything other than return kicks so he wasn't worth a roster spot. Scobee was the worst player to ever put on a Steelers uniform.
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A scat back who fell down with a sneeze, and had little ability to make a tackler miss.

Scobee at least had a productive career before collapsing.

Sorry, I've hated dri as a wasted pick, obviously I'm not objective.
 
Pittx9 said:
Scobee was the worst player to ever put on a Steelers uniform.
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If you review some of the Steelers' past 1st-round draft choices, you'd agree that Scobee isn't even close to being the worst Steeler player ever.
 
Panther Parrothead said:
If you review some of the Steelers' past 1st-round draft choices, you'd agree that Scobee isn't even close to being the worst Steeler player ever.
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Addendum: Here are a few names to consider: Keith Gary, John Rienstra, Tim Worley, Tom Ricketts, Huey Richardson, Jamain Stephens, Troy Edwards, Evander Hood, and those are post 1980.
 
The Standard is the Standard, usually meaning under Tomlin..... 8-8.
 
Pitt79 said:
Steelers never played him, but he's been starting for Buffalo for a couple years at OL. lol.
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OK, well I guess that makes it a great pic for the steelers then?? Did we trade him? Get anything in return? If anything, this makes it worse. We draft a guy that does NOTHING for us, then goes on to be a player for another team.. So not only did we hurt ourselves but we helped another AFC team.. Actually compounds the bust label if you ask me..

Let's continue though with the top ten draft 'successes' and 'busts' in the Kevin Colbert era with a look at my No. 2 'bust', Kraig Urbik, an offensive guard from Wisconsin taken in the third round of the 2009 Draft.

There's not a whole lot to discuss when reviewing Urbik's career with the Steelers or elsewhere in the National Football League. Of course, it's still very possible that he finds a niche either with his current team (Buffalo) or elsewhere around the league. It's only been two years after all since he was drafted. But that doesn't stop me from being quite disappointed in how this pick played out for the Steelers.
 
Pghfan said:
OK, well I guess that makes it a great pic for the steelers then?? Did we trade him? Get anything in return? If anything, this makes it worse. We draft a guy that does NOTHING for us, then goes on to be a player for another team.. So not only did we hurt ourselves but we helped another AFC team.. Actually compounds the bust label if you ask me..

Let's continue though with the top ten draft 'successes' and 'busts' in the Kevin Colbert era with a look at my No. 2 'bust', Kraig Urbik, an offensive guard from Wisconsin taken in the third round of the 2009 Draft.

There's not a whole lot to discuss when reviewing Urbik's career with the Steelers or elsewhere in the National Football League. Of course, it's still very possible that he finds a niche either with his current team (Buffalo) or elsewhere around the league. It's only been two years after all since he was drafted. But that doesn't stop me from being quite disappointed in how this pick played out for the Steelers.
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My post was a criticism of the Steelers if you didn't get that. I'm saying, if he was good enough to become a consistent starter with another team, why did the Steelers give up on him so fast?
 
Didn't the Steelers draft a DB who did nothing for them and is now an all pro with the Saints?
 
Pghfan said:
draft pick failures are adding up.. By February, we will be able to officially add Jarvis Jones to the first round failures list.. Look at these early and mid round busts:

Mike Adams-2nd round
Alameda ???? - 4th round (never heard this name before today)
Chris (time to die) rainey- 5th round
Shamarko Thomas - 4th round
Jarvis Jones - 1st round
Cortez Allen- 4th round
Curtis Brown - 3rd round
Thad Gibson - 4th round
Ziggy Hood - 1st round
Kraig Urbik - 2nd round (never heard that name before today)
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Pick any team and you could put together a long list of draft failures. It is widely known that the NFL draft, despite all the work teams put in, ends up being a crap shoot. The Steelers are no worse and usually better than most other teams as evidenced by the very few times they draft in the top half of the draft.

You Steeler bashers ought to try rooting for Cleveland or Detroit or some other inept franchise for a few years. Maybe yoy would appreciate what we have here.
 
wbrpanther said:
Pick any team and you could put together a long list of draft failures. It is widely known that the NFL draft, despite all the work teams put in, ends up being a crap shoot. The Steelers are no worse and usually better than most other teams as evidenced by the very few times they draft in the top half of the draft.

You Steeler bashers ought to try rooting for Cleveland or Detroit or some other inept franchise for a few years. Maybe yoy would appreciate what we have here.
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Except the facts say otherwise...

May 22, 2015, Forbes Magazine
Percentage of Total Games Started
(Since 2010…80 games max)
Groups Median
Overall 15.0%
1st 67.5%
2nd 33.8%
3rd 36.3%
4th 6.3%
5th 4.4%
6th 1.9%
7th 0.0%
 
Here is an interesting breakdown of the Steelers drafts through history. It shows the number of hall of famers drafted during a certain time period and the number of super bowls shortly after that time.

1969 - 1979
1969 Joe Greene
1970 Terry Bradshaw, Mel Blount
1971 Jack Ham
1972 Franco Harris
1974 Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, Mike Webster
4 Super Bowl wins in 6 Years from 1974-1979

1975-1986
No hall of famers drafted, no super bowls attended after 1980.

1987-1995
1987 Rod Woodson
1988 Dermontti Dawson
1 Super Bowl loss 1995

1996-2008
1996 Jerome Bettis (Trade)
1998 Alan Faneca, Hines Ward
2003 Troy Polamalu
2004 Ben Roethlisberger
2005 Heath Miller
2 Super Bowl wins, 1 loss 2005-2010
 
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Pitt79 said:
My post was a criticism of the Steelers if you didn't get that. I'm saying, if he was good enough to become a consistent starter with another team, why did the Steelers give up on him so fast?
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I don't know, I am still pissed they got rid of Vrabel so quickly..
 
KennyTheKangaroo said:
You might remember him as a guy that had a DUI on Carson street, got into a police chase, and wrecked into several parked cars in the souf side.
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LOL, yes I do. Didn't know that was him.. OK well I stand corrected, I have heard of him.
 
ncyajleel said:
Here is an interesting breakdown of the Steelers drafts through history. It shows the number of hall of famers drafted during a certain time period and the number of super bowls shortly after that time.

1969 - 1979
1969 Joe Greene
1970 Terry Bradshaw, Mel Blount
1971 Jack Ham
1972 Franco Harris
1974 Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, Mike Webster
4 Super Bowl wins in 6 Years from 1974-1979

1975-1986
No hall of famers drafted, no super bowls attended after 1980.

1987-1995
1987 Rod Woodson
1988 Dermontti Dawson
1 Super Bowl loss 1995

1996-2008
1996 Jerome Bettis (Trade)
1998 Alan Faneca, Hines Ward
2003 Troy Polamalu
2004 Ben Roethlisberger
2005 Heath Miller
2 Super Bowl wins, 1 loss 2005-2010
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You might be reaching a little on the 96-08 crowd. Outside of Bettis, not sure anyone else gets in for sure.
 
Archer seems not to be the Bull-eyes he was predicted to be, we shall see if he does better elsewhere but he often missed his mark?
 
pittdan77 said:
I'm sorry but this guy was the 97th pick in the draft last year. Now he's on the wire. I'm of the opinion that Tomlin doesn't really have much of a clue and that the club is not in good hands but that's me and opinions are what boards are about. If you look at what the Steelers are doing on draft day and some of the decisions being made, it's a good bet things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
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The steelers have a general manager by the name of kevin Colbert. don't forget about him!
 
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