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OT: Former Pitt QB Gets the Call

This is an example of Western PA athletes choosing football when they are clearly better at other sports. Luckily, Smith realized early enough baseball was his future but imagine if he tried to stick it out with football?

The best example of this is Terrelle Pryor, who was an absolutely sick 6'5 PG. He would still be in the NBA.
 
This is an example of Western PA athletes choosing football when they are clearly better at other sports. Luckily, Smith realized early enough baseball was his future but imagine if he tried to stick it out with football?

The best example of this is Terrelle Pryor, who was an absolutely sick 6'5 PG. He would still be in the NBA.


Pryor in the NBA? No way Jose.
 
This is an example of Western PA athletes choosing football when they are clearly better at other sports. Luckily, Smith realized early enough baseball was his future but imagine if he tried to stick it out with football?

The best example of this is Terrelle Pryor, who was an absolutely sick 6'5 PG. He would still be in the NBA.

Terrelle Pryor came through way too recently for you to be telling people he was a PG.....

He was LeBryan Nash before LeBryan Nash.
 
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This is an example of Western PA athletes choosing football when they are clearly better at other sports. Luckily, Smith realized early enough baseball was his future but imagine if he tried to stick it out with football?

The best example of this is Terrelle Pryor, who was an absolutely sick 6'5 PG. He would still be in the NBA.
how exactly does a 20 year old kid who had the opportunity garner starting time as QB at a major Division I school in football know he is "clearly" better at baseball?
 
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This is an example of Western PA athletes choosing football when they are clearly better at other sports. Luckily, Smith realized early enough baseball was his future but imagine if he tried to stick it out with football?

The best example of this is Terrelle Pryor, who was an absolutely sick 6'5 PG. He would still be in the NBA.
He probably would not still be in the NBA, but he sure as hell wouldn't be a PG. He has earned $2.1M in the NFL, so he has done well. The question is whether basketball would have been a better earnings opportunity because the overseas dollars to be made once he was out of the NBA.
 
This is an example of Western PA athletes choosing football when they are clearly better at other sports. Luckily, Smith realized early enough baseball was his future but imagine if he tried to stick it out with football?

The best example of this is Terrelle Pryor, who was an absolutely sick 6'5 PG. He would still be in the NBA.
You are batsh!t crazy, Terrelle Pryor's are a dime a dozen in the NBA.....
 
He probably would not still be in the NBA, but he sure as hell wouldn't be a PG. He has earned $2.1M in the NFL, so he has done well. The question is whether basketball would have been a better earnings opportunity because the overseas dollars to be made once he was out of the NBA.

He's also scheduled to make something like $1.6 million this season.
 
He's also scheduled to make something like $1.6 million this season.
Extremely unlikely he earns that. It is non-guaranteed and usually in that situation the player is either released outright or signed to a one year deal at a much lower salary and bonus. I'd guess he has a chance to earn his $760k minimum salary and a $100K bonus.
 
Pryor would have been a 2G at the NBA level. If he worked hard at his game, then he definitely could have made it in the pros. He would have needed to work on his handle and shooting.
 
Extremely unlikely he earns that. It is non-guaranteed and usually in that situation the player is either released outright or signed to a one year deal at a much lower salary and bonus. I'd guess he has a chance to earn his $760k minimum salary and a $100K bonus.


Perhaps, which is why I phrased it the way that I did. However, he did just sign that contract earlier this off season. If the Browns had no intention of ever paying him the full value of the contract then what would their incentive have been to have signed that contract with him in the first place? If they knew there was no chance they'd keep him on the roster at anything above the minimum (or close to it) then why didn't they just sign him to that contract in the first place? There would have been no need, in fact it would have been stupid salary cap-wise, to sign someone to a contract for $800k more than you have any intention of ever paying him.
 
Perhaps, which is why I phrased it the way that I did. However, he did just sign that contract earlier this off season. If the Browns had no intention of ever paying him the full value of the contract then what would their incentive have been to have signed that contract with him in the first place? If they knew there was no chance they'd keep him on the roster at anything above the minimum (or close to it) then why didn't they just sign him to that contract in the first place? There would have been no need, in fact it would have been stupid salary cap-wise, to sign someone to a contract for $800k more than you have any intention of ever paying him.
Because you don't step on the field without a contract..If hes released before his 1st game,he get his signing bonus,THATS ALL .First paycheck on your contract is 1 week AFTER the 1st REGULAR season game. Hope this explains this issue
 
Wow. Poor guy was a late scratch from the starting lineup yesterday with back spasms. Was slated to make his major league debut and they flared up during warmups.

Now he's been placed on the 15-day DL.
 
Because you don't step on the field without a contract..If hes released before his 1st game,he get his signing bonus,THATS ALL .First paycheck on your contract is 1 week AFTER the 1st REGULAR season game. Hope this explains this issue


Yes, but why would they sign him to a $1.6 million contract when they have no intention of paying him more than $800K? Why wouldn't they just sign him to a $800K contract in the first place? It's not like this is the last year of a multi-year deal. He signed a one year contract this off season.

If the Browns signed him to a $1.6 million contract with the intention of cutting him in the preseason and then getting him to sign a $800K contract to actually play for them then what happens if they cut him and someone else decides he's worth $900K? Then the Browns lose a guy they want due to signing someone to a one year contract for more money that it's worth. Which makes absolutely no sense.

Add in to that the fact that while he isn't earning any money right now he absolutely does count against the Browns salary cap right now. While in the Browns case that probably isn't making any difference right now, the fact is that he is tying up $800K of unnecessary cap space right now that they could theoretically be using for someone else. The Browns are far enough under the cap and it doesn't seem as if they have any even semi-major signings imminent, but it's just another example of why a team would be absolutely moronic to sign someone to a $1.6 million deal when your plan is to cut them later on and resign them for $800K. And while the Browns aren't known as having the smartest front office out there, it is a stretch to say that they are moronic enough to have done what you are suggesting they have done.

Hope that explains the actual issue for you.
 
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Yes, but why would they sign him to a $1.6 million contract when they have no intention of paying him more than $800K? Why wouldn't they just sign him to a $800K contract in the first place? It's not like this is the last year of a multi-year deal. He signed a one year contract this off season.

If the Browns signed him to a $1.6 million contract with the intention of cutting him in the preseason and then getting him to sign a $800K contract to actually play for them then what happens if they cut him and someone else decides he's worth $900K? Then the Browns lose a guy they want due to signing someone to a one year contract for more money that it's worth. Which makes absolutely no sense.

Add in to that the fact that while he isn't earning any money right now he absolutely does count against the Browns salary cap right now. While in the Browns case that probably isn't making any difference right now, the fact is that he is tying up $800K of unnecessary cap space right now that they could theoretically be using for someone else. The Browns are far enough under the cap and it doesn't seem as if they have any even semi-major signings imminent, but it's just another example of why a team would be absolutely moronic to sign someone to a $1.6 million deal when your plan is to cut them later on and resign them for $800K. And while the Browns aren't known as having the smartest front office out there, it is a stretch to say that they are moronic enough to have done what you are suggesting they have done.

Hope that explains the actual issue for you.
The Browns had no choice,If they want to see what hes got..$1.6 may be the minimium this year for a player that been in the league a couple of years.If he makes the team and isn't on the game roster, and put on the practice squad, he receives 5k a game.
 
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Perhaps, which is why I phrased it the way that I did. However, he did just sign that contract earlier this off season. If the Browns had no intention of ever paying him the full value of the contract then what would their incentive have been to have signed that contract with him in the first place? If they knew there was no chance they'd keep him on the roster at anything above the minimum (or close to it) then why didn't they just sign him to that contract in the first place? There would have been no need, in fact it would have been stupid salary cap-wise, to sign someone to a contract for $800k more than you have any intention of ever paying him.

Yes, but why would they sign him to a $1.6 million contract when they have no intention of paying him more than $800K? Why wouldn't they just sign him to a $800K contract in the first place? It's not like this is the last year of a multi-year deal. He signed a one year contract this off season.

If the Browns signed him to a $1.6 million contract with the intention of cutting him in the preseason and then getting him to sign a $800K contract to actually play for them then what happens if they cut him and someone else decides he's worth $900K? Then the Browns lose a guy they want due to signing someone to a one year contract for more money that it's worth. Which makes absolutely no sense.

Add in to that the fact that while he isn't earning any money right now he absolutely does count against the Browns salary cap right now. While in the Browns case that probably isn't making any difference right now, the fact is that he is tying up $800K of unnecessary cap space right now that they could theoretically be using for someone else. The Browns are far enough under the cap and it doesn't seem as if they have any even semi-major signings imminent, but it's just another example of why a team would be absolutely moronic to sign someone to a $1.6 million deal when your plan is to cut them later on and resign them for $800K. And while the Browns aren't known as having the smartest front office out there, it is a stretch to say that they are moronic enough to have done what you are suggesting they have done.

Hope that explains the actual issue for you.
It was just a tender offer, so they could have RFA matching rights on him. He doesn't even have a signing bonus with that. He is guaranteed $0 right now, beyond show up pay for required work. Completely different than what you are thinking it is.
 
Pryor would have been a 2G at the NBA level. If he worked hard at his game, then he definitely could have made it in the pros. He would have needed to work on his handle and shooting.
Yea other than dribbling and shooting, he would've have been a star in the NBA;)
 
It was just a tender offer, so they could have RFA matching rights on him. He doesn't even have a signing bonus with that. He is guaranteed $0 right now, beyond show up pay for required work. Completely different than what you are thinking it is.

But if they didn't think he was likely to be worth it why on earth would they have signed him to it? If they thought he was only ever going to be worth $800K then signing him to a $1.6 million tender doesn't make any sense. You only sign a guy to a tender if you are willing to pay that guy the amount of the tender. And further more, the last thing that a team like the Browns needs is a reputation for screwing over guys who sign contracts with them. And waiting until right before the season starts to cut a player in the hopes that you can resign him for half the money most certainly is screwing the player.
 
But if they didn't think he was likely to be worth it why on earth would they have signed him to it? If they thought he was only ever going to be worth $800K then signing him to a $1.6 million tender doesn't make any sense. You only sign a guy to a tender if you are willing to pay that guy the amount of the tender. And further more, the last thing that a team like the Browns needs is a reputation for screwing over guys who sign contracts with them. And waiting until right before the season starts to cut a player in the hopes that you can resign him for half the money most certainly is screwing the player.
No. The tender is non-guaranteed, so they can cut him at any time and not have any cap implications and not pay out any bonus. They gave him the tender so they could restrict his FA options. This is very common practice. I think you just aren't up to date on the RFA process. This is not uncommon and right to match tendered FAs almost never play out their tender. I'd guess less than 10%. It is much, much different than the RFAs with even just original round compensation.
 
Prip, let's see if I understand this: if he sticks with the team he is payed 1mil 600th. If they cut him and than resign him he gets paid 8th. If he makes the practice squad he gets 5th per game. Am I correct in my thinking?
 
Pryor would have been a 2G at the NBA level. If he worked hard at his game, then he definitely could have made it in the pros. He would have needed to work on his handle and shooting.


I normally agree with things you say.

But Pryor actually had an average handle and a below average shot on high school.

He had very little chance of making the NBA. Guys with his skill set need to be 6 ft 9 not 6 foot 5
 
No. The tender is non-guaranteed, so they can cut him at any time and not have any cap implications and not pay out any bonus. They gave him the tender so they could restrict his FA options. This is very common practice. I think you just aren't up to date on the RFA process. This is not uncommon and right to match tendered FAs almost never play out their tender. I'd guess less than 10%. It is much, much different than the RFAs with even just original round compensation.


If you think it's common practice for NFL teams to sign guys to tenders that they plan to cut later on so they can sign them to a deal for half the money then there is no point in discussing this further because NFL teams most certainly do NOT do that. As I said, doing that screws the players. In an era where being able to sign free agents is very important to team success intentionally screw players and pissing off players and their agents with a tactic like that would be batshit crazy.

Just as an example, last year the Stillers offered tenders to three players. All three of those players, Will Johnson, Robert Golden and Antwon Blake, remained under contract to the Stillers at the terms of the tenders they signed for the full season. On the other hand, in 2016 and 2014 the Stillers did not offer a tender to any of their restricted free agents.

There is indeed someone here who does not understand how tenders are used. But it's not who you think it is.
 
I normally agree with things you say.

But Pryor actually had an average handle and a below average shot on high school.

He had very little chance of making the NBA. Guys with his skill set need to be 6 ft 9 not 6 foot 5
Sam Young played Center in HS and had a similar skill set. The difference is Pryor was rated higher by recruiting sites when they were Jr's.
 
Sam Young played Center in HS and had a similar skill set. The difference is Pryor was rated higher by recruiting sites when they were Jr's.

Sam young is 2 inches taller and worked his ass off and still only played 5 years in the NBA. I don't think Pryor would have done that. Football was his best shot.
 
Sam young is 2 inches taller and worked his ass off and still only played 5 years in the NBA. I don't think Pryor would have done that. Football was his best shot.
Playing WR full-time in college and the pros - I agree. The problem is I think his heart was with basketball, and he liked the idea of playing QB. He had too many h$ndl$rs involved steering his $hip.
 
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Wow. Poor guy was a late scratch from the starting lineup yesterday with back spasms. Was slated to make his major league debut and they flared up during warmups.

Now he's been placed on the 15-day DL.
That is crappy for him but at the worst he's going to make more these two weeks on a Major League contract than he made probably every year in the minor leagues combined. If my calculations are correct he will make around 27K these past few weeks.
 
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If you think it's common practice for NFL teams to sign guys to tenders that they plan to cut later on so they can sign them to a deal for half the money then there is no point in discussing this further because NFL teams most certainly do NOT do that. As I said, doing that screws the players. In an era where being able to sign free agents is very important to team success intentionally screw players and pissing off players and their agents with a tactic like that would be batshit crazy.

Just as an example, last year the Stillers offered tenders to three players. All three of those players, Will Johnson, Robert Golden and Antwon Blake, remained under contract to the Stillers at the terms of the tenders they signed for the full season. On the other hand, in 2016 and 2014 the Stillers did not offer a tender to any of their restricted free agents.

There is indeed someone here who does not understand how tenders are used. But it's not who you think it is.
Yeah, the situations aren't really similar. Displacement for a team over the cap with important depth players is vastly different than a team like the Browns (way under the cap and not a contender) who are taking a flyer to keep that player on contract and in their offseason programs instead of taking the chance they are signed by someone else without compensation. And in Pryor's case they get a 3rd rounder if he was signed by someone else, so not offering the tender would be idiotic, unless you thought he had no chance to make the team or were up against the cap. Most likely he doesn't make the team or gets cut at some point and maybe resigned to a lower total deal.

These kind of deals with RFAs happen all the time. They especially happen with guys struggling to make teams that are far below the salary cap, but who have some clear potential and can't/won't be stashed on practice squads.
 
Prip, let's see if I understand this: if he sticks with the team he is payed 1mil 600th. If they cut him and than resign him he gets paid 8th. If he makes the practice squad he gets 5th per game. Am I correct in my thinking?
I'm not sure I am following your numbers. The tender Pryor was offered is fully non-guaranteed. If he gets cut he gets $0, beyond mandatory practice or game payments of which he actually participated in. Many teams use these holds and then negotiate a new deal for guys like these where they get a small guarantee (like $100-300k) and a lower total value contract that probably is tied to a minimum salary.
 
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