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OT: Goodison Park, Liverpool

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My first trip to Europe was in 1977, to England and Scotland. I spent two days in Liverpool on my way from London to Edinburgh. As a Beatles fan, a trip to Liverpool was obligatory.

The owner of the B&B where I stayed happened to have an extra ticket for the Everton v Nottingham Forest match the second night I was there, and invited me to join him. It was the first Premier League (if it was called that back then) I had ever seen live and Goodison Park was by far the biggest soccer stadium I ever had been in. It held close to 40,000. Back then, both teams were good and at least half of the matches ended in draws. As did that one. (Sorrowfully for our Chelsea fan, I don’t think they were in the top division that year. They had been relegated and got back in 1978 I believe.)

Last night, I watched the last Merseyside Derby that ever will be played in Goodison on TV here in Bangkok. Fittingly, it ended in a 2-2 draw, with Everton scoring the tying goal in the 8th minute of extra time. It took VAR 6 more minutes to decide the goal was allowed because of a possible offside. It took me and the commentators about 10 seconds to determine both Everton players involved in the play were onside. By the time the ruling finally came down, one of them said if the VAR operators keep taking that long, VAR should be eliminated.

The thing I most remember about that trip to Liverpool was how many preconceptions I had about it that were wrong. I thought, like Manchester, most team allegiances were based on where in the city you were born. I thought the River Mersey split the city in two (“Ferry Cross The Mersey” by Gerry and the Pacemakers). It doesn’t. It’s basically the western border of Liverpool. According to the B&B owner, most Liverpudlians are fans of the team that most of the people on the street where they grew up root for. The next street over might root for the other side.

Liverpool has a much bigger fan base. But, Everton has plenty of fans. Also, Goodison and Anfield are in the same area, within about 1/2 a mile of each other. We walked past Anfield on our way to the match.

I assumed that Liverpool was the original city side. Wrong. Everton is older and used to play in Anfield. After a rent dispute with the owner, they moved out and built Goodison Park. Faced with an empty stadium, Anfield’s owner started Liverpool.

Naturally, each of The Beatles was asked numerous times which team they supported. Back then, Paul and Ringo refused to say. I think both acknowledged later they were Liverpool fans. John said he didn’t like soccer so he supported neither. George had one of the greatest non-answer answers ever:

“Liverpool has 3 teams, and I support the other one.”
 
What a scene yesterday. Can’t imagine what it was like there. It looked like nothing I had ever seen in sport.
 
What a scene yesterday. Can’t imagine what it was like there. It looked like nothing I had ever seen in sport.
I agree. It didn’t look like there was any violence either. None in 1977. Don’t know if you saw the big sign some Everton fans rolled out. Something like “At least it’s easier to carry an empty trophy case.”

It was a really deserved draw IMO. Both Liverpool goals came against the run of play. Salah’s was perfection. He is as accurate a shooter as Messi and got it away so quickly. David Moyes has done a great rescue job at Everton. Now 10 points clear of relegation.
 
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It took VAR 6 more minutes to decide the goal was allowed because of a possible offside. It took me and the commentators about 10 seconds to determine both Everton players involved in the play were onside. By the time the ruling finally came down, one of them said if the VAR operators keep taking that long, VAR should be eliminated.


What I don't get is that they do it all now by "drawing the lines" and using a computer to see if the offensive player is ahead of the defensive player or not. And I don't know if you saw this since you were probably watching the international feed, but after about five minutes they showed the VAR booth on the USA feed. And they were just then getting around to drawing the lines. And when they did, immediately the computer flashed "onside".

Which begs the question, just what in the heck were they doing in those first five minutes?

It's almost like the VAR guy was in the restroom or something, and they had to wait for him to get back to start the process. It should NEVER take that long when all the VAR guy is doing is picking two points to draw the lines and the computer tells him on or off.
 
What I don't get is that they do it all now by "drawing the lines" and using a computer to see if the offensive player is ahead of the defensive player or not. And I don't know if you saw this since you were probably watching the international feed, but after about five minutes they showed the VAR booth on the USA feed. And they were just then getting around to drawing the lines. And when they did, immediately the computer flashed "onside".

Which begs the question, just what in the heck were they doing in those first five minutes?

It's almost like the VAR guy was in the restroom or something, and they had to wait for him to get back to start the process. It should NEVER take that long when all the VAR guy is doing is picking two points to draw the lines and the computer tells him on or off.
This will all be rectified by the automated offside system, which is to be implemented in the premier league in......*checks notes* ......October 2024??
 
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Note that that release also says that "following successful live operation in the FA Cup, the Premier League will look to implement the system later this season."

So two things. It's nice that they are just assuming that there will, in fact, be a successful live operation. And secondly, it just seems odd to me that they are going to make a big change like that 3/4 of the way through the season (or exactly whatever percentage it will be).
 
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Note that that release also says that "following successful live operation in the FA Cup, the Premier League will look to implement the system later this season."

So two things. It's nice that they are just assuming that there will, in fact, be a successful live operation. And secondly, it just seems odd to me that they are going to make a big change like that 3/4 of the way through the season (or exactly whatever percentage it will be).
The original plan was to implement in October. So, they had already accepted a mid-season roll out.

I do not know what issues lead to the delays. Other than maybe the Howard Webb mafia.
 
Note that that release also says that "following successful live operation in the FA Cup, the Premier League will look to implement the system later this season."

So two things. It's nice that they are just assuming that there will, in fact, be a successful live operation. And secondly, it just seems odd to me that they are going to make a big change like that 3/4 of the way through the season (or exactly whatever percentage it will be).
And yet the nfl struggles with down and distance and continues with chains and markers.
 
I was at a Celtic -Bayern game watch on Wednesday with a good crowd from both teams and that game's sound was on.

So no one was watching that game, but I couldn't stop watching. Looked like a crazy scene and I thought it might end up like the last game at Pitt Stadium, with them unable to clear the fans.
 
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