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OT: If I was King of Hockey here's how I would "fix" the game

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What we have learned in most sports, it is hard to coach offense over coaching defense. Defense in many cases is effort and positioning. With advance analytics and film study, even what used to be such an individual sport like baseball now have softball like configurations in the field, shifting based on the likelihood of where a batter hits the ball. It is why averages have dipped. And batter's haven't adjusted yet and likely they will. This is just an example of how coaching and defense affects the game.

We already have seen this in basketball. Efforts are made in college basketball to increase scoring and combat the defense and athleticism that dominates the sport. It is easier to coach defense. You devise schemes, you coach effort, condition your players, and drill baby drill until they get it right. While you can "coach" offense, there comes an element of free form art (skill) where you can't coach a Michael Jordan, Steph Curry or Kevin Durant into doing the they do, they just can do. All you can do as a coach is devise ways to try and stop or slow down.

Same with hockey. Hockey is being overcoached from the lowest of levels. Kids aren't developing skills or at least the confidence and freedom to utilize these skills. Some of the biggest advances from coaching and filmstudy is goaltending. People have figured out being "square" to the shooter at all times lessens the probability of a goal. What also has happened is the nets are the same 4x6 foot entities they were 50 years ago. 25 years ago (1990) most goalies were under 6 foot. Now, they average around 6'3". And without restrictions on equipment, a big goalie with oversized pads, jersey, etc...and there is almost nothing to shoot at. Nothing. Save percentages used to be in the .880 range. In 1990, that is what exactly the average was. Now, that would get you sent to the minors. Today, you have to go through 35 goalies to get to one that has a sub 0.900 save percentage. There is ONE goalie out of 44 that has a save percentage below the 1990 average of 0.880 today, and he is obviously benched.

Goaltending's evolution in style, film study and coaching and physical size just makes it that much harder to score. Then there is the obstruction and all of the interference that makes it hard to get scoring chances. Scoring is down to the 1950's level. It is boring. Things need to be changed.

Here is what I would do:

1) It is easy to say "call the rules", but it is obvious that referees don't want to call the rules. Just like football where likely there is a hold on every play, there is some form of obstruction on every play. Unlike football, obstruction away from the play in many cases more affects the play than they do in football. So yeah, enforce obstruction more rigidly, but what is going to happen is again it will be called more at first then gradually relaxed. Refs don't want to affect outcomes of the games in their minds, calling penalties do that.

2) The nets. How many times does a puck hit the goal post or crossbar? Actually, shots that hit the posts are better shots than those hitting the goalie square in the middle of their chest. I would think on average of 2 times a game, shots hit the post. Here is my solution #1. Widen the space between the posts 1" on each side. Raise the crossbar 2". There are no longer standup goalies and therefore take away the bottom of the net. You can move the posts out an inch on each side, raise the crossbar 2" and not affect anything with the rink, the goalies don't have to completely relearn angles, what you are doing is rewarding snipers more for trying to pick corners and open spots. To me, this is a no brainer. Easy.

3) Get a bit realistic on goalie equipment. Force their pads and shirts to be a bit more tapered. If you think about it, in football, jerseys have become more tight and tapered and streamlined as it helps prevent holding and grabbing. So why not do this here? Again, an easy fix.

4) Bring back the redline. Originally thought to open it up it has done the opposite and allows teams to trap more effectively. If you think about it, when scoring was up, the redline (center line) existed for "2 line" passes, as it was taken away, scoring has continually gone down.

I think those are reasonable items that would lead to some more scoring, while not turning it into a Big 12 football game.

5. This is esoteric, but attitude. The Board of Governors (GMs) meet and come up with the most innocuous and silly rule emphasis, like having a coaches challenge on an offsides play. In a game you are trying to have more offense, all this does is take away from the game. I can see an obvious offsides play being reviewed and a goal disallowed. BUT...what has happened, just like in baseball now where every slide is challenged for the possibility that the slider for a millisecond loses contact with the base even though he beat the throw by a second, this is now happening in hockey. It again reflects an attitude of "not getting it", and continually to put in rules that take away from skill. Hockey needs to change its attitude to promote skill, not neutralize it.

What I wouldn't do is:

1) Bigger ice. A natural response is bigger, faster players, make the ice bigger. The opposite effect actually happens as it pushes more play along the perimeter and generates less scoring opportunities. We see in Olympic hockey, this does not increase scoring.

2) I have heard that make a PP last the entire 2 minutes, regardless of if a goal is scored. My aversion to this if you think powerplays are down now with refs being reluctant to call penalties, imagine if this was too happen?
 
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don't like your "Red line" comment.. getting rid of red line opens up opportunities for those long passes going the other way. Very exciting plays, basically the "cherry picker" types that hover around mid ice behind the defense men. I like that. Imagine Mario in his prime, the ultimate Cherry picker, without a red line.. it would be fantastic..
 
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Make the refs call everything! F 'em! If they don't do it FIRE THEIR Canadian asses! Have a review every week and if a guy let's more than X% of obstructions go, then FIRE HIM. It's better to call too many, than not enough.

Secondly, make it more like NBA, FAVOR THE STARS, piss on the "muckers and grinders" make it a point of emphasis to let the superstars fly free in space. make it like the Gretzky, Lemiuex '80s again.
 
Make the refs call everything! F 'em! If they don't do it FIRE THEIR Canadian asses! Have a review every week and if a guy let's more than X% of obstructions go, then FIRE HIM. It's better to call too many, than not enough.

Secondly, make it more like NBA, FAVOR THE STARS, piss on the "muckers and grinders" make it a point of emphasis to let the superstars fly free in space. make it like the Gretzky, Lemiuex '80s again.
that's my biggest complaint. NHL and college men's hoops have the same issue, they refs and rules favor mediocrity and promote parity instead of promoting elite talent.
 
Get rid of offsides. Low-scoring games problem solved. It will spread the ice and make for more excitement. Defensivemen will have to get back making it easier to move the puck forward between the blue lines.
 
Similar to Pitt79, I believe the lowest hanging fruit is to get refs to enforce the f*cking rules. Even in the playoffs. What eventually will happen if refs consistently call obstruction is that players will adjust. The NFL is penalty city right now because they are constantly adding wrinkles to the rules every year and there has not been an adequate adjustment period. But as time goes on, there will be less penalties. Fire the Eddie Shore Hockey loving Canadians who push back on this.

The other low hanging fruit is goalie pads. Have a uniform set of guidelines. Don't compromise safety, but look at the size of pads back in the 80s compared to now. 6-5 games, especially in the regular season, are a lot of fun. I remember when you used to get free Wendy's Chili if the Penguins scored 7 and it wasn't unusual for that to happen. 20 years ago in the 1995-1996 season, the Penguins scored 7 goals or more 19 times. This was right around the time Mario called the NHL a "garage league" as the Devils began to ruin hockey with defense.

Since 2010, the Penguins have only hit 7 goals 11 times combined in those years. I want free chili.
 
Agree with much of this. Good stuff. The NHL definitely needs to incentivize scoring. I'm not sure they will ever understand that concept but you're right.

My differences/additions:

1.) I would keep the current rules regarding the elimination of the redline. I don't think that is responsible for the decrease in scoring. I would need to see more evidence of that.

2.) I would make a power-play a full two minutes no matter what. That was the rule until the 50's when the Montréal Canadiens' efficiency on the PP forced the league to change it. It is time to change back.

3.) I would also eliminate icing when shorthanded. For all the reasons you gave, PP percentages are way down and that is having an impact on scoring as a whole.

Why should a team gain an advantage when it has committed an infraction? That makes no sense. That would be like basketball forcing free-throw shooters to shoot with their non-dominant hands during technical fouls. Why?

I would make it a delay of game penalty if the shorthanded team iced the puck more than one time during the power-play.

# Incidentally, and completely unrelated to this, I would also get rid of the delay of game penalty for when teams clear the puck directly into the stands from their own zone.

That is the dumbest rule in hockey. If you are a defenseman and you have enough time/skill to do that, you enough time/skill to legally clear your zone.

I don't believe anyone is doing that on purpose. However, as a compromise in that regard, I would treat that like I seen where the team that cleared the zone would have to stay on the ice for the face-off. The current rule is very bad and feels like something out of the game show.

4.) I would change the way points are doled out two teams for wins and losses.

This one is one of my pet ones and it is very simple: A regulation win is worth three points, an overtime win is worth two points, a shootout win is worth one point, and a loss is worth zero points.

Again, this incentivizes offense. It encourages team to go for the win rather than to sit back and secure at least one point and hope to pull one out in OT or the shootout. That is a very bad set up right now. Basically, under the current rules, if you are tied with under four minutes to go, you are incentivized to play conservatively, which means boring hockey. That rule desperately needs to be changed.

5.) If you look at the European leagues, you are absolutely right about larger rinks likely meaning less scoring.

That said, I am still in favor of the larger ice surface – to a degree. I would suggest that we adopt the Finnish model. Instead of having a standardized ice surface, as is the case in the rest of Europe and as is the case in North America too, they have guidelines and ranges.

I think the NHL would be wise to allow teams to build their rinks up to a certain length/width and down to a certain length/width. Again, it is a throwback concept to the days of the Aud in Buffalo, Chicago Stadium and Boston Garden, among others.

Every arena feels exactly like every other arena now and it is less interesting. Also, being the road team in the playoffs is probably advantageous.

I think it would make the game more interesting and it would increase the value of home ice advantage as teams could build their teams to match their home surface.

In Philadelphia, maybe they have a rink that is 204 x 90, whereas in Pittsburgh it is the standard 200 x 85. That would make games between those teams very interesting to see how each deals with the others different dimensions.

Almost none of what I said will ever happen but it is a fun exercise.
 
good points but a few maybe off the wall ideas...

1.) youth hockey until at least bantam level should be 4 on 4... develop skill and creativity at an early age
2.) too many games... at all levels including NHL.. My sons AAA team played 90 games one year...With so many games players will have many a night where they just half ass it
3.) Remove as many Canadiens as possible from the decision making process.. very old school collectively in the way the view hockey
4.) obviously call obstruction penalties and any other penalty that slows the game down.
5.) three on three ot is a great idea
 
# Incidentally, and completely unrelated to this, I would also get rid of the delay of game penalty for when teams clear the puck directly into the stands from their own zone.

That is the dumbest rule in hockey. If you are a defenseman and you have enough time/skill to do that, you enough time/skill to legally clear your zone.

Remembering back to my hockey playing days, I cleared the puck over the glass on purpose when I was tired.
 
Get rid of offsides. Low-scoring games problem solved. It will spread the ice and make for more excitement. Defensivemen will have to get back making it easier to move the puck forward between the blue lines.

One thing I always found irritating is when a guy steals a puck at center ice, he get's no advantage a lot of the time, because he has to wait for his other guys to get back to the blue line, by then the defense resets.

Or why have it be a blue line, how about the soccer offsides rule? If there's a defender between you and the goal, you are onsides.
 
Similar to Pitt79, I believe the lowest hanging fruit is to get refs to enforce the f*cking rules. Even in the playoffs.

That's another major irritation to me, Rules should be rules ALWAYS, if a guy commits a penalty in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final, with the game tied and 2:01 left, the team that is fouled should get a power play, or it's a fake sport IMO. They say the refs don't want to decide the game, WTF? They wouldn't be, the guy that committed the foul might of decided the game, the ref just did his job.

You get the same BS in football too, when the announcers are happy that they are letting PI penalties go without calling them and "letting them play"... I don't get the whole "letting them play" mentality? To me you either enforce the rules, or if you want to "let them play", delete those rules, make the damn thing clear one way or the other.
 
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that's my biggest complaint. NHL and college men's hoops have the same issue, they refs and rules favor mediocrity and promote parity instead of promoting elite talent.
In hockey it's part of the religion! The Don Cherry, Canuck, "Slap Shot" religion, cheering hard for some high school drop out from Ontario who can't skate to fight and clutch and grab his way to beating down the elite "talent". Rather than root for the cream to rise to the top.
 
don't like your "Red line" comment.. getting rid of red line opens up opportunities for those long passes going the other way. Very exciting plays, basically the "cherry picker" types that hover around mid ice behind the defense men. I like that. Imagine Mario in his prime, the ultimate Cherry picker, without a red line.. it would be fantastic..
good points but a few maybe off the wall ideas...

1.) youth hockey until at least bantam level should be 4 on 4... develop skill and creativity at an early age
2.) too many games... at all levels including NHL.. My sons AAA team played 90 games one year...With so many games players will have many a night where they just half ass it
3.) Remove as many Canadiens as possible from the decision making process.. very old school collectively in the way the view hockey
4.) obviously call obstruction penalties and any other penalty that slows the game down.
5.) three on three ot is a great idea

Coaching ruins a lot of sports and talent. Up until a certain point, the coach's responsibility is to teach kids the game, help them develop the skills and the framework within the game. Not in basketball and hockey, where pee wee coaches think they will be discovered because of the 1-2-2 trap they may employ and all of a sudden, the Flyers are on the phone with a coaching offer (not that far fetched).

That is what I mean about attitude. Yeah, the old guard in the NHL's preference that star talents actually have to work harder than other guys to try and score is ridiculous. Especially since they same people revere Wayne Gretzky and Bobby Orr, two blue blooded Ontario boys who pretty much got to skate through pylons as opposition.

But I have to focus on the goalies, not to pick on them, but the size, the athlete and the equipment have far outpaced the rest of the sport. Used to be the fat kid who couldn't skate much was placed in goal. Now, it maybe the best overall athlete.

Like I said, moving the posts out an inch each side, and the crossbar 2 inches in height now the net "catches" some of these high quality shots instead of clanging out for what doesn't even register as a SOG. I think it rewards good goal scorers and can add 1 to 2 goals a game without having to do much else.
 
In hockey it's part of the religion! The Don Cherry, Canuck, "Slap Shot" religion, cheering hard for some high school drop out from Ontario who can't skate to fight and clutch and grab his way to beating down the elite "talent". Rather than root for the cream to rise to the top.

Yep.
 
Remembering back to my hockey playing days, I cleared the puck over the glass on purpose when I was tired.

Well, then you probably had time to clear the zone without doing that.

Under my proposal, you would have to stay out on the ice for the ensuing faceoff - like an icing. That is a suitable deterrent without charging your team 2-minute minor penalty, which is too severe for what is almost always an unintentional infraction.

I do not speak from personal experience as I've never played defense in my life and I have never played organized hockey.

However, one of my dearest friends played professionally in the IHL, AHL and in Europe for about 10 years. He never played in the NHL but he played at a very high level and made a good living doing it for a very long time.

One day, I watched a Penguins game with him and one of his former IHL teammates who had also briefly played in the NHL but was long since retired. They were both defensemen.

At one point, a player on the team the Penguins were playing against was called for that cheesy delay of game penalty and all three of us simultaneously went nuts.

I have always hated that rule because I think it is overly punitive. To my surprise, the former defenseman agreed with me and felt more strongly about it than I did.

They each agreed that neither of them had ever, in the course of their entire playing careers, intentionally flipped the puck out of play because they were tired.

One of them explained to me that you have to realize that is not an easy thing to do. It takes time to get your stick under the puck with enough leverage that you can easily send it out of play. His point was if you had time to do that, you certainly had enough time to play the puck off the boards or glass and out of the defensive zone. Even if you had to ice it, that is a better result than a two-minute penalty.

Now, they did each acknowledge that because they were fatigued, they were sloppy, and that led to them occasionally inadvertently launching the puck Into the crowd but they both insisted that they had never done so on purpose.

Prior to that conversation, I suspected that was a bad rule. After that conversation, with two bona fide experts, I am convinced it is a terrible rule.
 
I am fine with that. What I don't get is the "Zero Tolerance" rule. Like Referees cannot determine if someone dumps a puck in the stands (which is also safety issue) because of pure intent or if it is an accident. I think they can determine 90% of the times, but what is the different between their judgment calls on interference and obstruction penalties.

What I find hilarious is the almost overzealousness they officiate offsides and icing, many cases where the millisecond of gaining the line has NOTHING to do with the play, where as you can tackle a guy with or without the puck trying to generate a scoring opportunity and lucky to get it called 1 out of 8 times.
 
Get rid of offsides. Low-scoring games problem solved. It will spread the ice and make for more excitement. Defensivemen will have to get back making it easier to move the puck forward between the blue lines.

Getting rid of offsides would cause teams to always leave at least one, and frequently two guys back in their defensive zone to guard against cherry pickers. Those goals that you see where a defenseman jumps into the play and scores a goal because they were basically unguarded? Yeah, kiss all those goals goodbye because there will be almost no defensemen doing that anymore. You'd end up with offensive play being 4 on 5 in good times and 3 on 5 a lot of the time, and I can't imagine any way that helps scoring at all.

If you think the game is bad now, getting rid of offsides will make the game much, much worse.
 
Why would they do something that puts them at such a disadvantage? Being at a guaranteed numerical disadvantage in the offensive zone would be much worse than the possibility of giving up goals on long passes to guys who would now be called offsides. Teams would not always leave a man back. I doubt they'd do it much at all.
 
Why would they do something that puts them at such a disadvantage? Being at a guaranteed numerical disadvantage in the offensive zone would be much worse than the possibility of giving up goals on long passes to guys who would now be called offsides. Teams would not always leave a man back. I doubt they'd do it much at all.

I can only surmise that you've never watched a sporting event before.

The NHL is in the situation they are in because teams stress defense way, way more than they do offense. Yet you think that eliminating the blue line is going to suddenly make all those defensive minded coaches play wide open, attacking hockey, including having guys who play no defense at all and who lag back cherry picking all the time, rather than continue to emphasize defense over offense. How many goals do you think a team is going to give up to a cherry picker before a coach tells his guys to stop allowing that to happen? And the only way to do that is to have guys stay back.

It's the same reason why teams rarely throw all four guys forward when they are killing a penalty. Teams would much rather prevent a goal than score one. Eliminating the blue line isn't going to change that.
 
Another novel idea is to eliminate composite sticks. These guys can shoot a zillion miles and hour, but they seem to lose "feel" with the more pronounced whip on these things, the margin of error is increased and the accuracy of the shot decreased.

Think about it, every level of baseball has aluminum bats except the pro's, and you could do this with the NHL.

Just another thought.
 
Yeah, eliminated the blue line will not "open up" the game.

What the game needs is more skating and quicker passes, the constant attempts of long stretch passes and worse, the dumping of the puck and chasing leads to just a lot of game time without anyone possessing the puck and just mucking up the game.

I watched last night's game with a more critical eye since I posted this. There were more penalties called than usual, but again inconsistent. A lot of shots that just don't even come close to the net. Obviously you got to go up high to score. Colorado is not the most disciplined, defensive team so hard to take a lot away from the game.

As for hockey again, I don't always mind a 2-1 or 3-2 game, the 7-6 game is not always better. But when all games are 2-1 or 3-2, yeah there is a problem.
 
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