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OT: It ain't gonna snow here. Not alot

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There is some weird phenomenon in our region that is acting like some kind of shield that bumps all of these storms to the north, the south and to the east of us.

This is no different. There will be all of these cancelled schools and events and by this time tomorrow we will be sitting on 3" max. Maybe.

I do find it uncanny how over the last few years every significant snow has bounced all around us, meanwhile here in Allegheny County, nothing.
 
There is some weird phenomenon in our region that is acting like some kind of shield that bumps all of these storms to the north, the south and to the east of us.

This is no different. There will be all of these cancelled schools and events and by this time tomorrow we will be sitting on 3" max. Maybe.

I do find it uncanny how over the last few years every significant snow has bounced all around us, meanwhile here in Allegheny County, nothing.
It does seem the trend that we get more snow when no one is predicting it, but if the coastal low jogs even 30 miles west, we'll get a healthy amount. (I guess you can say of it jogs 30 miles east we'll et considerable less, too.) Tomorrow will be a nuisance though as it will be snowing on/off the entire day.

We have a lot of family in Chicago. The last 2 years there have been very weird. Snow early - November/December, but not much more after that. This year especially, they got back to back snow mid-December and nothing since then although they got some last night.
 
It is just uncanny. I moved into my house in January of 2015. Really cold, the day I moved in it snowed. I have actually shoveled my driveway maybe 4 times total since then. None really BIG shoveling. I got a snowblower for Christmas, I haven't used it.

I travel, and I see all of these storms, when it is snow.....they dip down into WV and south. they bounce north of I-80 or they come up the east coast that they hit maybe as west as Altoona, but not here. I just think it is weird luck more than anything. But I can remember last year, that huge snowstorm that parts of Maryland and WV got 3 feet, it stranded all of those people on the turnpike just east of Somerset. Even Connellsville and Uniontown got 2 feets, and here in Allegheny county, we got maybe 5 inches, and the western part of Allegheny county got nothing.

I wish I there was a meterologist that can explain maybe why this is happening. Now for rain? We get rain. Alot of rain. Always these storms, even last week, rain intervenes holding down snow totals. It is not like we are in the south. Just weird. Why doesn't that "warm pocket of air" affect other places.

It is not that I love snow, but occasionally, hey I live here, I don't mind seeing a real snowstorm occasionally. It is the kid in me.
 
You mean like a mountain range?

It's more than that. I know they definitely come into play, not just with the obvious higher elevation getting more snow.....and it is not exactly the rockies to the east. And besides, WV has more mountains, Morgantown is east of mountains and they have been getting alot more snow.
 
It's more than that. I know they definitely come into play, not just with the obvious higher elevation getting more snow.....and it is not exactly the rockies to the east. And besides, WV has more mountains, Morgantown is east of mountains and they have been getting alot more snow.
Not a meteorologist, but weather for the most part is cyclical. I know in the mid 90's we were constantly in the path of snow. It's all about how far these lows track and how much moisture they can tap into. California for the most part is out of their drought after what 6-7? years, so things do change.
 
There is some weird phenomenon in our region that is acting like some kind of shield that bumps all of these storms to the north, the south and to the east of us.

This is no different. There will be all of these cancelled schools and events and by this time tomorrow we will be sitting on 3" max. Maybe.

I do find it uncanny how over the last few years every significant snow has bounced all around us, meanwhile here in Allegheny County, nothing.

You are 100% correct, and as someone that follows meteorology casually, in the last 6 years we have missed a ton of big storms by 50-100 miles on either side of us.

I'd be surprised if we got more than 2 or 3 inches.
 
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It is just uncanny. I moved into my house in January of 2015. Really cold, the day I moved in it snowed. I have actually shoveled my driveway maybe 4 times total since then. None really BIG shoveling. I got a snowblower for Christmas, I haven't used it.

I travel, and I see all of these storms, when it is snow.....they dip down into WV and south. they bounce north of I-80 or they come up the east coast that they hit maybe as west as Altoona, but not here. I just think it is weird luck more than anything. But I can remember last year, that huge snowstorm that parts of Maryland and WV got 3 feet, it stranded all of those people on the turnpike just east of Somerset. Even Connellsville and Uniontown got 2 feets, and here in Allegheny county, we got maybe 5 inches, and the western part of Allegheny county got nothing.

I wish I there was a meterologist that can explain maybe why this is happening. Now for rain? We get rain. Alot of rain. Always these storms, even last week, rain intervenes holding down snow totals. It is not like we are in the south. Just weird. Why doesn't that "warm pocket of air" affect other places.

It is not that I love snow, but occasionally, hey I live here, I don't mind seeing a real snowstorm occasionally. It is the kid in me.

Really, we are in a fairly bad area for massive storms. In most cases we are too far inland for the large coastal "nor'easters" with several notable exceptions such as the march 1993 blizzards.

For storms that approach from our southwest they tend to pull up warm air from Gulf of Mexico and tends to turn out precipitaton to ice or rain. I'm sure you can remember a bunch of times here that we got 3 or 4 inches of snow, only to turn over to ice and then rain.

Also, there is a phenomenon where low pressure systems track up roughly along the Ohio river, and when they get to around our area, they transfer the energy they are carrying to a new low pressure system off the coast, and the precipitation with the initial system fizzles out here, and places like D.C., philly, NYC get huge storms.

Basically, there are two ways for us to get huge storms. One of those coastal storms track up over a path roughly on I-95 or a little west, and while it rains in New York we get snow. That was what the march 93 storm did.

Two, like the storms I mentioned earlier where they track up the Ohio river and transfer, we need the transfer to happen late enough that we still get snow from the initial system, but also have the new "coastal storm" be far enough west and large enough to keep throwing snow back our way and we also need it not to get too warm. Our big storm in February 2010 is an example of that.

That is a VERY rudimentary explanation, and I am not a meteorologist at all. In any case, I do hope that helps explain things at least a bit.
 
You are 100% correct, and as someone that follows meteorology casually, in the last 6 years we have missed a ton of big storms by 50-100 miles on either side of us.

I'd be surprised if we got more than 2 or 3 inches.
We shall see!
 
There is some weird phenomenon in our region that is acting like some kind of shield that bumps all of these storms to the north, the south and to the east of us.

This is no different. There will be all of these cancelled schools and events and by this time tomorrow we will be sitting on 3" max. Maybe.

I do find it uncanny how over the last few years every significant snow has bounced all around us, meanwhile here in Allegheny County, nothing.



I'd be surprised if we got more than 2 or 3 inches.

That's what she said
 
Looks like the low is going east, so the snow totals here should be lower than predicted. Weather is an act of God though, so anything can happen.
 
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Two hour delay for nothing, we might get an inch. I don't understand why they felt the need to announce at 6 PM yesterday as opposed to the morning like they normally do.
 
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What's the punishment for being so wrong all the time as weathermen and women? I missed my calling in life to be on TV consistently wrong, without being fired.
 
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It is just uncanny. I moved into my house in January of 2015. Really cold, the day I moved in it snowed. I have actually shoveled my driveway maybe 4 times total since then. None really BIG shoveling. I got a snowblower for Christmas, I haven't used it.

I travel, and I see all of these storms, when it is snow.....they dip down into WV and south. they bounce north of I-80 or they come up the east coast that they hit maybe as west as Altoona, but not here. I just think it is weird luck more than anything. But I can remember last year, that huge snowstorm that parts of Maryland and WV got 3 feet, it stranded all of those people on the turnpike just east of Somerset. Even Connellsville and Uniontown got 2 feets, and here in Allegheny county, we got maybe 5 inches, and the western part of Allegheny county got nothing.

I wish I there was a meterologist that can explain maybe why this is happening. Now for rain? We get rain. Alot of rain. Always these storms, even last week, rain intervenes holding down snow totals. It is not like we are in the south. Just weird. Why doesn't that "warm pocket of air" affect other places.

It is not that I love snow, but occasionally, hey I live here, I don't mind seeing a real snowstorm occasionally. It is the kid in me.
It's been the hot mess in the A.D.'s office.....radiating over the area.
 
Really, we are in a fairly bad area for massive storms. In most cases we are too far inland for the large coastal "nor'easters" with several notable exceptions such as the march 1993 blizzards.

For storms that approach from our southwest they tend to pull up warm air from Gulf of Mexico and tends to turn out precipitaton to ice or rain. I'm sure you can remember a bunch of times here that we got 3 or 4 inches of snow, only to turn over to ice and then rain.

Also, there is a phenomenon where low pressure systems track up roughly along the Ohio river, and when they get to around our area, they transfer the energy they are carrying to a new low pressure system off the coast, and the precipitation with the initial system fizzles out here, and places like D.C., philly, NYC get huge storms.

Basically, there are two ways for us to get huge storms. One of those coastal storms track up over a path roughly on I-95 or a little west, and while it rains in New York we get snow. That was what the march 93 storm did.

Two, like the storms I mentioned earlier where they track up the Ohio river and transfer, we need the transfer to happen late enough that we still get snow from the initial system, but also have the new "coastal storm" be far enough west and large enough to keep throwing snow back our way and we also need it not to get too warm. Our big storm in February 2010 is an example of that.

That is a VERY rudimentary explanation, and I am not a meteorologist at all. In any case, I do hope that helps explain things at least a bit.

Nardog, what you said makes alot of sense. Especially about the low pressure systems getting here than a low up the coast stealing its energy, that is exactly seem to have happened here.

I did not live in Western PA from 95 through 2000. But yeah, there are maybe 2 really significant snow events in Allegheny County I can remember the last 25 years. 1993. I think President's Day in 2007. And the 2010 storm that you mentioned. That is weird considering where we are, Great Lakes, coast...mountains....to not have more of these. It is weird.

There is this from the NWS:
We’ve had a hard time pulling in moisture to overcome some of the dry air,” he said.

Tuesday morning, a National Weather Service forecasters’ discussion detailed the “complicated situation” that caused the snow to miss Pittsburgh.

“First and foremost, dry air just has simply been impossible to get rid of,” they said, while pointing to “a chasm between temperatures and dew points in the lower third of the troposphere.”

So there you have it, it is the troposphere's fault.
 
Our oldest did a project in 5th grade where he tracked the 3 local stations and their 2 day out weather reports. The winner (can't remember who won) was only 38% accurate. Predicting weather in Pgh is haaaard
 
Our oldest did a project in 5th grade where he tracked the 3 local stations and their 2 day out weather reports. The winner (can't remember who won) was only 38% accurate. Predicting weather in Pgh is haaaard

But that is different when you are predicting 4-8 inches of snow.....or MORE in the immediate Pittsburgh area to it look like we may get an inch. That is a big, big miss.
 
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Our oldest did a project in 5th grade where he tracked the 3 local stations and their 2 day out weather reports. The winner (can't remember who won) was only 38% accurate. Predicting weather in Pgh is haaaard
It is. Computer modeling has come a loooooooong way in helping forecasts, but as I said above, at the end of the day, weather is an act of God and can shift at any moment, causing a ripple effect.
 
Amazing. Expecting snowmageddon or at least a version of yesterday and waking up....and nothing. So today I wake up.....and...it looks like I thought it would yesterday. And it is still snowing here in the beautiful upper AK Valley.

What the..............................
 
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