OT: NFL
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Who knows. What only matters is FanDuels and DraftKings. I can't go anywhere now without hearing someone discuss "their fantasy team". A stupid waitress in a hotel bar. A kid with his buddy, some businessman dressed in a suit at the airport gate.
I no longer play fantasy because of this. But I find the NFL product overall to be boring. Though the DeAndre Hopkins catch last night to beat the Bengals was pretty special.
Fix? I dunno. I do know this, if you are a betting man, it is getting time, this is about the time of season where Andy Dalton turns into a pumpkin.
I no longer play fantasy because of this. But I find the NFL product overall to be boring. Though the DeAndre Hopkins catch last night to beat the Bengals was pretty special.
Fix? I dunno. I do know this, if you are a betting man, it is getting time, this is about the time of season where Andy Dalton turns into a pumpkin.
What I dislike most about the NFL and Football in general anymore is 3 things...
1) Refs control the games through rules, may of which are too subjective and have nothing to do with what happened during the playing of the game, like taunting, celebrating, taking your helmet off etc., which gives the refs ability to fix games at their discretion and even if not a fix, outcomes are made to be FAKE, like if the defense makes a 4th down stop and then the offense gets to keep the ball and continue because of a taunting flag after the play and then scores a TD, that TD is FAKE, it had nothing to do with the offense doing it's job, this crap cheapens the game.
2) Too many rules/too complicated causing constant stoppages! You lined up wrong, you flinched, you sneezed, let's huddle up we don't know what you did! IMO you could have a big conference, eliminate HALF of the existing rules and everybody would be happier they wouldn't even notice, because 90% of what was eliminated nobody knew about anyways.
3) Replay RUINS the game! NO, I don't care about "getting it right", why? Because replay doesn't get it right, half the time we go to replay, and the announcers are adament, this WILL BE, this WON'T BE, overturned, it's SO ONBVIOUS, then they come out with some undiscernible, unsatisfying decision, so it all seem they didn't "get it right" and wasted 10 minutes of your life getting it wrong! And when there is a TD or a turnover or a great play you don't know if you should celebrate or not? Neither do the teams, they want to run to the line and waste a snap so they can beat the red flag! What nonsense! I'm not totally against replay, just have NO CHALLENGES, just a ref in the booth watching on TV, and he and only he overturns a call, but only if it's so obvious he can see that it's wrong in regular speed in less than 60 seconds, no 1000 views in super slow mo, and if 60 seconds passes a buzzer sounds, if he hasn't spoken, PLAY ON!
The sport of football will die soon, I believe, between the injury risks and the game as it is now, THE NATIONAL REFEREEING LEAGUE, people will get tired of it in the next generation.
1) Refs control the games through rules, may of which are too subjective and have nothing to do with what happened during the playing of the game, like taunting, celebrating, taking your helmet off etc., which gives the refs ability to fix games at their discretion and even if not a fix, outcomes are made to be FAKE, like if the defense makes a 4th down stop and then the offense gets to keep the ball and continue because of a taunting flag after the play and then scores a TD, that TD is FAKE, it had nothing to do with the offense doing it's job, this crap cheapens the game.
2) Too many rules/too complicated causing constant stoppages! You lined up wrong, you flinched, you sneezed, let's huddle up we don't know what you did! IMO you could have a big conference, eliminate HALF of the existing rules and everybody would be happier they wouldn't even notice, because 90% of what was eliminated nobody knew about anyways.
3) Replay RUINS the game! NO, I don't care about "getting it right", why? Because replay doesn't get it right, half the time we go to replay, and the announcers are adament, this WILL BE, this WON'T BE, overturned, it's SO ONBVIOUS, then they come out with some undiscernible, unsatisfying decision, so it all seem they didn't "get it right" and wasted 10 minutes of your life getting it wrong! And when there is a TD or a turnover or a great play you don't know if you should celebrate or not? Neither do the teams, they want to run to the line and waste a snap so they can beat the red flag! What nonsense! I'm not totally against replay, just have NO CHALLENGES, just a ref in the booth watching on TV, and he and only he overturns a call, but only if it's so obvious he can see that it's wrong in regular speed in less than 60 seconds, no 1000 views in super slow mo, and if 60 seconds passes a buzzer sounds, if he hasn't spoken, PLAY ON!
The sport of football will die soon, I believe, between the injury risks and the game as it is now, THE NATIONAL REFEREEING LEAGUE, people will get tired of it in the next generation.
good post Pitt79, couldn't agree with you more, especially about constant stoppages and instant replays on EVERYTHING. Hate it, absolutely hate it. I have gotten to the point that I DVR games, wait an hour, then watch so I can forward thru the replays of every score, every first down, every catch, and every sidelines play.
Betters have the option to bet on either team. Lines are set to get the same amount of play on the favorite and the underdog. The house wins both ways because of the vigorish.
Good point, vegas or "the house" doesn't want to "fix" anything.. If one side of the betting is heavy, the "line" changes to get more bets the other way.. Never understood this conspiracy theory.. One theory, as crazy as it sounds with regards to "fixing" results from a league standpoint is the Patrick Ewing lottery pick. Theory goes like this, the NBA reaches in and pulls out an envelope, whatever team is on that envelope, gets first pick. AKA Patrick ewing circa '84.. NBA wants bigtime player to play for bigtime program in major Market, aka NYC. So they put envelope in freezer so NBA Commish can "feel" the cold envelope, and voila, the Knicks have Ewing..
Crazy I know but I kind of like it.
The envelope wasn't frozen, it was thrown in instead of dropped like the others so the corner was bent. Stern looks into the barrel, sees the bent envelope and grabs it sandwiched between two others and says this is the team with the top pick. It's on YouTube and is hilarious. I don't blame the NBA. Ewing in Sacramento? Yuck.
No
But it has become so violent and so many stars out who the heck can call any team a dog except for maybe 2 3 teams which really bad -- then you have a couple really good teams
The Bengals suck. Pgh should have beaten them wo Ben
They are and will forever always be the Bungals
The nfl is nearly unwatchable.
Another thing, before the last 10 years or so, do you remember there be referee conferences where they confer for a minute or two then decide to change the call? Again, they do this in the name of "getting it right", but I feel like it makes them look worse, like they don't know the rules well enough to JUST DECIDE AND STICK WITH THE CALL AUTHORITATIVELY and have to discuss every tiny little nuance of the over complicated rules that hey they barely understand! Am I wrong? And do you remember in the '90s or '80s or '70s this sort of thing happening once a season? Let alone 20 times a game like now?
I do the same thing with the DVR! Start it a little later and FF past the constant stoppages! LOL
I will tell you what kills me 79, during a replay when the announcers state with extra importance, that they can only over-ride the call made on the field with indisputable evidence.. Uh no, not true and it's been proven time and time again. Many calls have been over-turned based on very disputable evidence. Actually, I'd go as far to say as the call made on the field originally has zero influence on the call made by replay.
I agree, that's why I am totally opposed to replay, very often, if not half the time, a replay doesn't end up "getting it right", and honestly it is because JUDGMENT is part of the game. So looking at a close call a 2nd time doesn't always matter, you still can't tell! And changing it doesn't change the facts, it just changes the subjective judgment. Like I said, I think a better idea might be a booth ref, that signals the guy on the field for a review, if he sees something on the TV screen that is 1000% OBVIOUS! NO CHALLENGES BY COACHES! Just a guy watching on TV and calling only what is obviously wrong, and not even close to being right. Like half a guy's foot out of bounds or a ball bouncing 100% off the ground with his arm not even close to being under it on a catch, something that you can see on replay CLEARLY with just one or 2 angles at normal speed, and change only that sort of thing and just let all the really close ones just stand as the subjective judgments that they are. It would make watching the game much better IMO.
I hate the NFL mostly because it is a copycat league. I hate the spread offense which just dumps 5 yard passes down the field. That is boring. I like seeing teams throw the ball down the field. I like seeing teams try and run the football.
One thing I do give credit to the NFL, is unlike other Pro Sports where over coaching and defense dominates, the NFL has always realized that offense sells, so they try have tried to keep in front of defenses. But it has lead to an erosion of physical play.
As for football itself, I always feel there are too many penalties that are called that really do not affect the play. A lot of the rules are subjective, and some things that are borderline, but across the field, away from the play, really do not need to be called. One other thing, the PI penalty is way too punitive. You throw a ball up 50-60 yards downfield and it is a 50/50 ball with some contact on both ends and because the pass is not completed, you feel like calling a PI penalty (especially against the home team responding to the crowd) that is way too punitive.
One other thing, same with college football, replay reviews are designed to overturn obvious mistakes. If you need 3 minutes and 20 angles rerun and reslowed down and analyzed like the Zapruder film, well there is nothing that is really conclusive to overturn the call. So stop constantly making every review subject to this kind of scrutiny.
One thing I do give credit to the NFL, is unlike other Pro Sports where over coaching and defense dominates, the NFL has always realized that offense sells, so they try have tried to keep in front of defenses. But it has lead to an erosion of physical play.
As for football itself, I always feel there are too many penalties that are called that really do not affect the play. A lot of the rules are subjective, and some things that are borderline, but across the field, away from the play, really do not need to be called. One other thing, the PI penalty is way too punitive. You throw a ball up 50-60 yards downfield and it is a 50/50 ball with some contact on both ends and because the pass is not completed, you feel like calling a PI penalty (especially against the home team responding to the crowd) that is way too punitive.
One other thing, same with college football, replay reviews are designed to overturn obvious mistakes. If you need 3 minutes and 20 angles rerun and reslowed down and analyzed like the Zapruder film, well there is nothing that is really conclusive to overturn the call. So stop constantly making every review subject to this kind of scrutiny.
I think the NFL is overcoached too! One thing I hate is the radios in the helmets. If it was up to me, I'd have a 25 second play clock instead of a 40 second play clock, and take the radios out, so that there would be no time to do anything other than let your multimillion dollar QBs earn their money calling the plays... IMO it would make the games way more interesting.
Exactly! Just review the extremely obvious stuff! Before review existed, sometimes there where obvious mistakes that lead to controversies, but in the end they've decided to review whole games to the point that the boredom level of waiting for this deep analysis of every frame of video to happen makes you want to turn off the TV!
The Bengals manage to fade every season. Also, the talent level difference from team to team isn't dramatic at most positions. It's the elite guy's at a couple key positions or a guy having an outstanding season that make teams "better". Flacco is a great example. It's also why "The Red Rocket" can't get the Bengals over the hump. Guys like Brady just do it every week.
As I say in all sports replays, if it takes more than one or two looks it is not indisputable. Let the play stand and get the game going. It kills me when they look at it for 3 or 4 minutes then change the call. If there was CLEAR evidence then why did it take so long?
and now we are seeing it in baseball, kills me.. I remember watching football in the 80's and 90's and enjoying the game.. Everyone says this is necessary and God forbid, if the wrong call is made, the world will end. I don't recall watching games and the world ending.. I watched a lot of football in my younger days, I am sure some calls were good and bad but somehow we all lived..
LOL! True dat! One of the worst things that I really hate is in college basketball, someone hits a THREE, so they play another 2 minutes and come up to the next TV time out. When we come back from commercials a point has been subtracted, because they reviewed a shot that was ruled a THREE 2 minutes ago and made it a TWO. I can't see how anybody in their right mind can agree with that! I know it's only one point, but isn't it possible that in that two minutes that one point difference you thought you had or they had altered your strategy? It's just over the top micro managing nonsense, trying to be too damn perfect!
Wow. So do you guys like AA baseball better than MLB?
Saying the NFL is boring or that college football is better is the craziest thing I've heard since a few talking heads proclaimed Women's basketball was superior to the men's game because it put moe emphasis on "fundamentals and teamwork" and was a more pure form of the game because it is played below the rim.
I love college football but it can't compare to the NFL.
Saying the NFL is boring or that college football is better is the craziest thing I've heard since a few talking heads proclaimed Women's basketball was superior to the men's game because it put moe emphasis on "fundamentals and teamwork" and was a more pure form of the game because it is played below the rim.
I love college football but it can't compare to the NFL.
I prefer college football to the NFL, but that doesn't mean that I think it is "better". I find it more entertaining because running QB's can dominate a game, each team has a different scheme, and I enjoy the sideshow surrounding college football.
The NFL is perfect for Sunday Funday. Throw on Redzone, watch all the amazing plays, plus only ten minutes of halftime. From a schematic standpoint though, it seems like everyone outside of Philly, Carolina, and Buffalo is just better or worse versions of the same offense, and that can be boring. 10 years ago I didn't have any love for the NFL, but now my Sunday is just non stop football. In particular, it is fantastic to watch what ODB, Brown, Julio, Dez, etc are capable of from the WR position.
College football is much more entertaining than the NFL that's my opinion why is that crazy? It's an opinion in my mind I'm right in yours I'm not. some people like soccer, some people eat tongue sandwiches, some people think Amy Schumer is not a disgusting pig, we all have our preferences. Silly to say it as fact
always thought that the best thing for the bookies would have been a 7-7 week. I might (but I doubt it) suspect a "fix" if that were the case....
Drunk, very few things on this board I take too seriously, I mean we can all argue and at the end of the day, it's mostly fun debates. But on my life, If my time on Pantherlair means anything, if I ever will be remembered for anything while I am on this planet, I want, NO, I need to stand up to the lies, myths, and fabrication of this piece of filth being portrayed by Hollywood and the media as some sort of sex symbol. Drunk, I won't allow it to happen, to quote demi mooore, NOT ON MY WATCH.. I swear I will spend every waking second of my day until this injustice is corrected, I will be the modern day Paul Revere, riding from house to house, waking up you people while you sleep, screaming the truth, AMY SCHUMER IS NOT HOT.. Stand with me Drunk, stand with me as I fight this because to be honest, mankind is the victim here.
Not crazy at all, just like I can't watch the NBA at all and think college basketball is more entertaining. The fact that the players are 100000000000000000000% better in the NBA doesn't factor into my opinion.
Gotta disagree here. College basketball is just rock fights where nobody can score and the coach runs around like a jerk face.
College football on the other hand is comparable to entertainment with the NFL even though the players are much less talented.
Geez, that is a funny comment and true as well. What is it about college basketball coaches (My man Dixon definitely included) acting like a clown? Can't wait for the day for a ref to give a Technical foul for a coach for stepping on the court.. Needs to happen. Bball coaches are on the court more than the players. SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP.
I think the college basketball games are much more entertaining. I don't even notice what the coaches are doing, just like I don't notice players diving in soccer, everybody just has different priorities of what they value. All football is losing the entertainment value it once had, because as detailed in this thread, there is less game and more center stage for refs, extra rules and reviews as years go by. At least in basketball or soccer or hockey there are far less stoppages. And What I am finding that I value most in sports above all else is LACK OF STOPPAGES, and LACK OF REFEREE INVOLVEMENT.
Lack of stoppages in college basketball?? Pitt79, come on man.. College basketball flows like mud.. It's nothing but stoppages.. At least they are trying to address it though, took away one timeout. Baby steps.. If you want lack of referees and stoppages, hockey is your game, and soccer of course.. They both have their issue but a very fluid game..
Drunk, very few things on this board I take too seriously, I mean we can all argue and at the end of the day, it's mostly fun debates. But on my life, If my time on Pantherlair means anything, if I ever will be remembered for anything while I am on this planet, I want, NO, I need to stand up to the lies, myths, and fabrication of this piece of filth being portrayed by Hollywood and the media as some sort of sex symbol. Drunk, I won't allow it to happen, to quote demi mooore, NOT ON MY WATCH.. I swear I will spend every waking second of my day until this injustice is corrected, I will be the modern day Paul Revere, riding from house to house, waking up you people while you sleep, screaming the truth, AMY SCHUMER IS NOT HOT.. Stand with me Drunk, stand with me as I fight this because to be honest, mankind is the victim here.
I'm really curious to see who IS considered hot here. I mean, Schumer may not be a 10 according to Hollywood standards, but she's a perfectly attractive woman.
What, exactly, is more entertaining about college basketball? And don't say the fact that they pass and play defense. That just tells me you haven't watched a pro game since the early 2000s.
Imagine a baseball manager coming out of the dugout on every single pitch to argue if it was a ball or strike. That is college basketball coaching.
(Full disclosure, I watch and enjoy college basketball, I just wish it was more entertaining, but I still prefer it over Say Yes to the Dress or Law and Order reruns).
I agree college basketball has too many stoppages, but it's still not as slow as football. Football is constant stoppages for trivial reasons, WOW! Someone "flinched"! LOL! Who cares?. It took me over 50 years, but I think I have bought into soccer as being the "beautiful game" the main reasons being, no stoppages, no reviews, no striving to "get it right", leading to NO COMMERCIALS, just play, and they don't even care if it goes exactly 90 minutes, I just love the fact that it's totally non-ANAL. I love when they show a replay and the call was wrong and nothing can be done about! Human error just play on deal with it! It's so enjoyable! And it fits into that neat 2 hour time window EVERY TIME! Unless it's a championship game that needs a W/L decision. I even don't mind ties at all.
She is a blonde and older linda blair possessed, without the scars and green vomit.. Hey, we aren't all knockouts but don't tell me she is. Hollywood is doing this, she is main actress, on late night shows, sold to me as a sex symbol. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining, that's all I am asking.
Well, this thread has gone off topic.
My thoughts on a few subjects brought up here.
- I for one want the call to be right. No one here in their right mind wants to see a game decided by a blown call. But I agree that there needs to be some kind of balance between replay and the flow of the game.
- I think the NFL set up for replay is the ideal method.
- Along these lines, what is killing the NFL right now is the is it a catch? judgement. Particularly since there seems to be no consistency with it.
- Some pass interference calls are indeed to harsh, but I don't think we necessarily want the college system where you can mug the guy and only have it be 15 yards. Ideally, it's a hybrid with incidental penalties being 15 yards and blatant being spot fouls, but then it becomes a judgement situation and well, you know.....
- I get and support the movement towards player safety, but I do hate ticky tacky late hit or roughness penalties.
- TD is half right on his college vs NFL comment. From a skill standpoint, the NFL is obviously superior.
But I think there are people who do prefer college because there is more variety (there's no triple option team in the NFL), the pageantry of college football, and the (incorrectly) perceived notion that college players are amateur student athletes.
(I actually prefer the NFL partly because it admits to what it is).
- What the hell is overcoaching? Should the coach just stand on the sidelines and do nothing? Didn't this board routinely crucify Paul Chryst for doing that?
- I do find Amy Shumer to usually be quite attractive. There are times though when she doesn't come out right in a picture.
I did like her comment about feeling like a gym teacher when standing next to Jennifer Lawrence.
My thoughts on a few subjects brought up here.
- I for one want the call to be right. No one here in their right mind wants to see a game decided by a blown call. But I agree that there needs to be some kind of balance between replay and the flow of the game.
- I think the NFL set up for replay is the ideal method.
- Along these lines, what is killing the NFL right now is the is it a catch? judgement. Particularly since there seems to be no consistency with it.
- Some pass interference calls are indeed to harsh, but I don't think we necessarily want the college system where you can mug the guy and only have it be 15 yards. Ideally, it's a hybrid with incidental penalties being 15 yards and blatant being spot fouls, but then it becomes a judgement situation and well, you know.....
- I get and support the movement towards player safety, but I do hate ticky tacky late hit or roughness penalties.
- TD is half right on his college vs NFL comment. From a skill standpoint, the NFL is obviously superior.
But I think there are people who do prefer college because there is more variety (there's no triple option team in the NFL), the pageantry of college football, and the (incorrectly) perceived notion that college players are amateur student athletes.
(I actually prefer the NFL partly because it admits to what it is).
- What the hell is overcoaching? Should the coach just stand on the sidelines and do nothing? Didn't this board routinely crucify Paul Chryst for doing that?
- I do find Amy Shumer to usually be quite attractive. There are times though when she doesn't come out right in a picture.
I did like her comment about feeling like a gym teacher when standing next to Jennifer Lawrence.
