OT - Pj Fleck

[vegasgreed]

I think he would be an idiot to take the Minny job. Its been reported he met with them yesterday. Although, if I'm not mistaken they won 9 games last year with basically a first year head coach. First time they won that many games since 1905, I believe.

ESPN’s Brett McMurphy reports Minnesota is expected to target Western Michigan head coach P.J. Fleck, Penn State offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead and North Dakota State head coach Chris Klieman. Les Miles also might become a candidate. The Star-Tribune reports Fleck has not been offered the job.

If Fleck turns it down, as he should, it wouldn't surprise me if Les Miles backs into that job.

 

[OH Pete]

I'd take the NDSU coach if I were them. That dude would totally know how to be successful in Minnesota.

 

[vegasgreed]

it was just reported that they reached out to the navy coach. they previously offered him the job one time before.

that NDSU coach has been the HC since 2014. is it him or the school. something tells me even if he leaves they will continue to win. they have been really good for a long time.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I would be bored to death if Pitt hired a coach that ran the triple option. I'd also think that there would be a huge transition period before Niumatalolo got the guys he needed in place to be effective. They seem to be decent today, not sure why they would need to blow it up and start again.

If I'm Fleck, I'm looking to make my move now. WMU played in a New Years Day bowl...I don't know how often that will happen. The interest in him seems surprisingly low key given what he has done there.

 

[Jpripper88]

I think he would be an idiot to take the Minny job. Its been reported he met with them yesterday. Although, if I'm not mistaken they won 9 games last year with basically a first year head coach. First time they won that many games since 1905, I believe.

If Fleck turns it down, as he should, it wouldn't surprise me if Les Miles backs into that job.

I'm with you, vegas. I wouldn't touch that Minnesota job, if I were him. Very hard to win at a high level, even without the idiotic revolt, which is happening.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Minnesota is still a Big Ten job and it's on the comparatively weaker side of the league. Why can Wisconsin win but not Minnesota?

I think Fleck (or any coach) could do a LOT worse than Minnesota.

He could stay in Kalamazoo for another year or two but if he does where is he going to go that's better than Minnesota? Illinois? Maybe somewhere in the P12? He sure didn't get too many serious looks this time around and I'm sure that surprised him.

What if his team regresses? I know he just loves Kalamazoo to death but does he want to be stuck there forever?

I think Fleck is a salesman-type of coach and those guys have a limited window to strike. That's why Graham got so nervous here. He was afraid he'd get stuck here and that scared the hell out of him. That whole Row the Boat bullshitt works as long as he's winning - and at a place nobody is threatened by - but when you start to lose that becomes an easy target for rival recruiters.

I see Minnesota as a good fit for Fleck and I think he is likely what they need as well.

 

[yourhired]

Minnesota could be a good job but if I was the AD I would hire someone with ties to MN/WI/ND so I would hire Craig Bohl or Chris Klieman. I did read that Bo Pelini could be interested but I'm not sure if MN would be interested.

 

[vegasgreed]

the proof is in the pudding....don't you think? Wisconsin has a winning culture. Minny does not. wisconsin has made a lot of good decisions. minny has made a lot of bad decisions. its hard to argue for the Minny side of things.

one thing i didn't mention in this thread but i've mentioned before on this board, i believe there is something going on in the background with fleck, like some skeletons in the closet.

von Yinzer said
Minnesota is still a Big Ten job and it's on the comparatively weaker side of the league. Why can Wisconsin win but not Minnesota?

 

[Ol_Roy]

Fleck would be silly to take the minny job. Their players are all transferring after the attempted "sit out" of the bowl game. None of the players trust the current administration and fleck will not change their attitude. He is better off taking WMU on another run through the MAC and moving on after next year.

 

[Gregory25]

How in the world did Les Miles go from a tug of war between LSU/Michigan to hoping to back into a job at Minnesota?

 

[vegasgreed]

in sports it can happen quickly. ed o stepping in and winning is not helping les. also his age is not in the plus column.

How in the world did Les Miles go from a tug of war between LSU/Michigan to hoping to back into a job at Minnesota?

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

the proof is in the pudding....don't you think? Wisconsin has a winning culture. Minny does not. wisconsin has made a lot of good decisions. minny has made a lot of bad decisions. its hard to argue for the Minny side of things.

one thing i didn't mention in this thread but i've mentioned before on this board, i believe there is something going on in the background with fleck, like some skeletons in the closet.

von Yinzer said
Minnesota is still a Big Ten job and it's on the comparatively weaker side of the league. Why can Wisconsin win but not Minnesota?

Right, but Wisconsin didn't always have that winning culture. They were horrible for decades. Then they hired the right guy at the right time and voila, they developed a winning culture. The same is true of Northwestern, which was basically Rutgers for 40 years. Then they hired a good coach and staff, which begat more good coaches and players and staff, and now they have a very good program.

Why can't Minnesota do the same? Of course they can.

As for Fleck, if he doesn't land a big time job soon, more and more people are going to start speculating why, just like you are. It's only natural.

Personally, I would not want a guy like that at Pitt. I just don't click with that whole "Step right up..." kind of guy. Never have, never will. However, Minnesota desperately needs a jolt of electricity and he may be just the guy to provide it.

Are there skeletons? Almost certainly. However, that is the risk/reward of hiring a guy like that.

 

[Delpanther]

I think he would be an idiot to take the Minny job. Its been reported he met with them yesterday. Although, if I'm not mistaken they won 9 games last year with basically a first year head coach. First time they won that many games since 1905, I believe.

ESPN’s Brett McMurphy reports Minnesota is expected to target Western Michigan head coach P.J. Fleck, Penn State offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead and North Dakota State head coach Chris Klieman. Les Miles also might become a candidate. The Star-Tribune reports Fleck has not been offered the job.

If Fleck turns it down, as he should, it wouldn't surprise me if Les Miles backs into that job.

I think Les can do better than Minnesota.

 

[vegasgreed]

he wanted the houston job, whiff. he wanted the baylor job, whiff. purdue job, whiff. he's not exactly trending in the right direction.

I think Les can do better than Minnesota.

 

[BigNittanyLion]

Any Big Ten job save for Indiana and Purdue would be great job

 

[chethejet]

During the Dave Hart years Pitt played Miami and got killed. Miami had Ted Hendricks and was really good. Pitt had one win going into the game with a win over Wisconsin. When a Miami player was asked about Pitt his response was Wisconsin must be really bad.

 

[Delpanther]

he wanted the houston job, whiff. he wanted the baylor job, whiff. purdue job, whiff. he's not exactly trending in the right direction.

I think he needs to be patient...an opportunity commensurate with his experience and accomplishments will come along. At times that Pitt was looking for a HC I would have been over the moon st the prospects of Pitt hiring a Les Miles.

 

[OH Pete]

I think Les can do better than Minnesota.

Agree. An SEC job to his liking will come open at some point in the next 12 months.

 

[oldpanther]

During the Dave Hart years Pitt played Miami and got killed. Miami had Ted Hendricks and was really good. Pitt had one win going into the game with a win over Wisconsin. When a Miami player was asked about Pitt his response was Wisconsin must be really bad.

That was just one of the games, Pitt vs Miami, they agreed to run the clock during inc passes, time outs, etc. Just end this no contest ASP.

 

[pittzap]

I would be bored to death if Pitt hired a coach that ran the triple option. I'd also think that there would be a huge transition period before Niumatalolo got the guys he needed in place to be effective. They seem to be decent today, not sure why they would need to blow it up and start again.

If I'm Fleck, I'm looking to make my move now. WMU played in a New Years Day bowl...I don't know how often that will happen. The interest in him seems surprisingly low key given what he has done there.

He was hired in 2012 as OC of Northern Illinois, his alma mater. He interviewed to be the head coach, but Dave Doreen got it over him. A day later, he accepted a job with the Bucs as WR coach.

I think he is so young (only 36) that he needs to get some additional experience and wait for the right position. He has recruited well, so he has had among the best classes in the MAC for a few seasons. He should still have success, so there is no rush to leave for the sake of leaving.

 

[TD_6082]

Les won't be back in the SEC.

 

[phxpanther]

I think he would be an idiot to take the Minny job. Its been reported he met with them yesterday. Although, if I'm not mistaken they won 9 games last year with basically a first year head coach. First time they won that many games since 1905, I believe.

ESPN’s Brett McMurphy reports Minnesota is expected to target Western Michigan head coach P.J. Fleck, Penn State offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead and North Dakota State head coach Chris Klieman. Les Miles also might become a candidate. The Star-Tribune reports Fleck has not been offered the job.

If Fleck turns it down, as he should, it wouldn't surprise me if Les Miles backs into that job.

FWIW Minnesota won 10 games in 2003 with Dan Mason, then they got tired of him only winning 7 games a y, and they fired him

 

[vegasgreed]

thanks for this. i heard what i posted on sirius show. childers was the one who said 1905. i thought right away that mason may have won 10, but i didn't check for myself.

i think mason's 10th win came as a bowl win. maybe childers was talking regular season. i never include bowl wins in the regular season. unless your in the playoff, the bowl games are a completely different dynamic.

FWIW Minnesota won 10 games in 2003 with Dan Mason, then they got tired of him only winning 7 games a y, and they fired him

 

[yourhired]

For those who like reading newspaper articles ought to read the article Minneapolis Star & Tribune this morning on Minnesota football coaching hires the Pittsburgh newspapers could take a lesson in reporting. They had a second article on all the buyouts that the school has paid out over the years and most recent year after reading that article it makes Steve Pederson look like a saint when it comes to AD's.

 

[pittdan77]

It's fun looking at B1G schools records and history. "9-3...tied for 4th".

 

[vegasgreed]

Les is meeting with Minny, he's interested.

 

[pitt1976]

Any Big Ten job save for Indiana and Purdue would be great job

Uh, Rutgers, Illinois, Maryland, etc.

 

[BFo8]

Fleck to be named next Minnesota HC.

Not a great move IMO, last guy won 9 and was fired. Going to be tough to win that many right away with Leidner departing and most probably a divided locker room.

 

[vegasgreed]

He did take it. I'm still somewhat surprised. Minny thinking Fleck > Les Miles.

 

[Ol_Roy]

I am shocked he took this of all jobs out there.

 

[mehinpgh]

ESPN says he took it. He might be just the thing to pull the team back together with his ra-ra salesman coaching style...or they could roll their eyes at this guy and it could be an abject disaster...he seems to be pretty good at selling teenagers and 20/21 year olds though, so I think he will be okay. I just want him to make the team strong enough to beat Penn State's ass anytime they play them.

 

[vegasgreed]

Minny is now paying about 3.5 for their HC.

 

[mehinpgh]

Minny is now paying about 3.5 for their HC.

That's a nice chunk of cheddar! Four year deal?

 

[vegasgreed]

5 year deal i believe.

That's a nice chunk of cheddar! Four year deal?

 

[pittzap]

ESPN says he took it. He might be just the thing to pull the team back together with his ra-ra salesman coaching style...or they could roll their eyes at this guy and it could be an abject disaster...he seems to be pretty good at selling teenagers and 20/21 year olds though, so I think he will be okay. I just want him to make the team strong enough to beat Penn State's ass anytime they play them.

Just so he doesn't blow timeouts and have a 9 min 4th quarter drive when down by 2 scores!

 

[mehinpgh]

5 year deal i believe.

$17.5M guaranteed before you are 40 years old is not too shabby...ROW THAT BOAT!!!

 

[vegasgreed]

ALL of these schools have the money to spend....and they are.

 

[3genpanther]

Uh, Rutgers, Illinois, Maryland, etc.

Given how weak the West division is, I think any school on that side could be a winner with the right admin/coaching in place. Illinois or Minnesota have just as much long term potential as a Wisc / Iowa / Neb IMO.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

If he can right the ship at Minnesota (with regards to the uprising) and get them to 10 wins he'll probably be able to name his job in 3-4 years. Definitely a risk but one that could accelerate his career more than taking a job at another mid-level P5 school.

 

[vegasgreed]

WMU was smart enough to get a 600k buyout.