OT: the mighty Dukes crash & burning again

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Lost in our disappointing season is that Duquesne has now lost 9 in a row and I believe Dambrot has been here longer than Capel. Man, we think we have it bad. He seemed like a home run hire for the Dukes, now appears to be joining the long list of loser coaches at the program. Truly a school where coaches go to commit career suicide. If he can't do it, who can? But I've posted before, the lack of local talent from the Hill, which practically sits in their backyard, handicaps their program greatly. More so than Pitt in that Pitt has a better chance at recruiting nationally.

Funny, Pittsburgh media was all concerned when Pitt didn't want to play them anymore, defending poor Duquesne. So where is the media outrage at the performance being turned in by Dambrot & company? Pretty much crickets and back to irrelevance for them, unless of course more faux outrage should occur due to Pitt.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Lost in our disappointing season is that Duquesne has now lost 9 in a row and I believe Dambrot has been here longer than Capel. Man, we think we have it bad. He seemed like a home run hire for the Dukes, now appears to be joining the long list of loser coaches at the program. Truly a school where coaches go to commit career suicide. If he can't do it, who can? But I've posted before, the lack of local talent from the Hill, which practically sits in their backyard, handicaps their program greatly. More so than Pitt in that Pitt has a better chance at recruiting nationally.

Funny, Pittsburgh media was all concerned when Pitt didn't want to play them anymore, defending poor Duquesne. So where is the media outrage at the performance being turned in by Dambrot & company? Pretty much crickets and back to irrelevance for them, unless of course more faux outrage should occur due to Pitt.

Pitt should still play Duquesne. It’s a pussy move not to.

a neutral site win over 6-16 duquesne would look better than a home loss to 11-13 Citadel

 

[sonofabit]

And he’s had some nice players but couldn’t seem to hold on to them even before the portal thing.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Pitt should still play Duquesne. It’s a pussy move not to.

a neutral site win over 6-16 duquesne would look better than a home loss to 11-13 Citadel

I agree, don't know all the reasons for not so I don't want to make an uninformed comment. But from a fan standpoint I agree

 

[sonofabit]

Pitt should still play Duquesne. It’s a pussy move not to.

a neutral site win over 6-16 duquesne would look better than a home loss to 11-13 Citadel

The Pitt squad that lost to the Citadel wasn’t a guarantee against an early season Dukes team either.

 

[wolf0717]

And he’s had some nice players but couldn’t seem to hold on to them even before the portal thing.

Watched Sincere Carry year up for Kent State yesterday. And losing Williams to Oregon and Weathers to SMU doomed the Dukes. Put those 3 on Duquesne and they would have a nice team.

 

[Pittnerski]

And Champ came back with Toney and Sibande never got hurt we’d be a tourney team.

The media infatuation with him is really weird. He’s another zero up on the hill. But seemingly gets a pass bc he “coached” Lebron.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Duquesne should go after one of the Miller brothers. Seriously. What do they have to lose??

 

[pittchagg]

Capel’s biggest weakness is his roster and talent management, and even then he’s still the best basketball coach in town at roster and talent management. Dambrot gets the Duquesne Bump in the local press, and Toole gets a ton of credit for Robert Morris beating Kentucky in the NIT a decade and a half ago.

 

[Franb]

Speaking of crash and burn, there was a thread a few weeks ago about Georgetown and Ewing. They have now lost 13 in a row, and are 0-12 in the Big East - approaching Stallings-level futility.

 

[Pittnerski]

0-12 in the big East probably because he’s playing 8 forwards based on everyone we recruited going there

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Lost in our disappointing season is that Duquesne has now lost 9 in a row and I believe Dambrot has been here longer than Capel. Man, we think we have it bad. He seemed like a home run hire for the Dukes, now appears to be joining the long list of loser coaches at the program. Truly a school where coaches go to commit career suicide. If he can't do it, who can? But I've posted before, the lack of local talent from the Hill, which practically sits in their backyard, handicaps their program greatly. More so than Pitt in that Pitt has a better chance at recruiting nationally.

Funny, Pittsburgh media was all concerned when Pitt didn't want to play them anymore, defending poor Duquesne. So where is the media outrage at the performance being turned in by Dambrot & company? Pretty much crickets and back to irrelevance for them, unless of course more faux outrage should occur due to Pitt.

Pitt should play 2 for 1 vs Duquesne and a 3 for 1 vs RMU. Easy win and a "free game" since you don't have to pay a cupcake $100K.

As for Duquesne, they need to go way outside the box:

- a European coach who will bring in all Euros

- pay a D3 coach 100K and hire some elite recruiters

- hire an AAU coach if he can bring his whole team with him

- Sean or Archie Miller?

 

[Franb]

0-12 in the big East probably because he’s playing 8 forwards based on everyone we recruited going there

They have 3 7-footers.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

- a European coach who will bring in all Euros

Why would a good European coach come to the US to coach college basketball at Duquesne?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why would a good European coach come to the US to coach college basketball at Duquesne?

I didn't say they were going to get the coach of Real Madrid or Barcelona. Maybe some guy who runs a top youth program over there or has some connections. I dont know but Duquesne has to do something drastically different. Maybe hiring an AAU coach would be the most realistic solution. Like a Team Penny deal but at a lower level.

 

[Mr. Monaca]

Lost in our disappointing season is that Duquesne has now lost 9 in a row and I believe Dambrot has been here longer than Capel. Man, we think we have it bad. He seemed like a home run hire for the Dukes, now appears to be joining the long list of loser coaches at the program. Truly a school where coaches go to commit career suicide. If he can't do it, who can? But I've posted before, the lack of local talent from the Hill, which practically sits in their backyard, handicaps their program greatly. More so than Pitt in that Pitt has a better chance at recruiting nationally.

Funny, Pittsburgh media was all concerned when Pitt didn't want to play them anymore, defending poor Duquesne. So where is the media outrage at the performance being turned in by Dambrot & company? Pretty much crickets and back to irrelevance for them, unless of course more faux outrage should occur due to Pitt.

The very fact that Duquesne is so bad makes it all the more embarrassing that Capel continues to duck them. And it's outrageous that ADHL allows it to happen.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The very fact that Duquesne is so bad makes it all the more embarrassing that Capel continues to duck them. And it's outrageous that ADHL allows it to happen.

And Duquesne won't play RMU. Its so stupid.

If we aren't going to play on campus, I have said we should do what they do in Indiana and have an annual doubleheader in an NBA/NHL arena.

Year 1
Game 1: Duquesne vs RMU
Game 2: Pitt vs WVU

Year 2:
Game 1: Pitt vs Duquesne
Game 2: RMU vs WVU

Year 3:
Game 1: WVU vs Duquesne
Game 2: Pitt vs RMU

In theory, the Horizon League should allow RMU to be somewhat competitive vs Pitt and RMU.

 

[Mr. Monaca]

And Duquesne won't play RMU. Its so stupid.

If we aren't going to play on campus, I have said we should do what they do in Indiana and have an annual doubleheader in an NBA/NHL arena.

Year 1
Game 1: Duquesne vs RMU
Game 2: Pitt vs WVU

Year 2:
Game 1: Pitt vs Duquesne
Game 2: RMU vs WVU

Year 3:
Game 1: WVU vs Duquesne
Game 2: Pitt vs RMU

In theory, the Horizon League should allow RMU to be somewhat competitive vs Pitt and RMU.

They used to play the "Steel Bowl" back in day. It was Pitt, Duquesne and 2 other teams right after Christmas at the Civic Arena. Would be great to have that every year with Pitt, Duquesne, WVU and Robert Morris. But that makes too much sense. Too much travel...logistics would be a nightmare...no one would be interested. Should be every year - December 27th and 28th.

 

[NTOP]

Duquesne should go after one of the Miller brothers. Seriously. What do they have to lose??

Any fan with scruples.

 

[NTOP]

Why would a good European coach come to the US to coach college basketball at Duquesne?

They can go to the new School of Osteopathic Medicine in their spare time.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Why would a good European coach come to the US to coach college basketball at Duquesne?

Um because
Um
Because
Coaching at a third rate college without an immigrant population

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Pitt should still play Duquesne. It’s a pussy move not to.

a neutral site win over 6-16 duquesne would look better than a home loss to 11-13 Citadel

Actually agree with you !

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

And Duquesne won't play RMU. Its so stupid.

If we aren't going to play on campus, I have said we should do what they do in Indiana and have an annual doubleheader in an NBA/NHL arena.

Year 1
Game 1: Duquesne vs RMU
Game 2: Pitt vs WVU

Year 2:
Game 1: Pitt vs Duquesne
Game 2: RMU vs WVU

Year 3:
Game 1: WVU vs Duquesne
Game 2: Pitt vs RMU

In theory, the Horizon League should allow RMU to be somewhat competitive vs Pitt and RMU.

Why I know a place that has an NHL/NBA arena that is convenient to all 4 schools.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

now up to 11 game losing streak, while we have a 3 game ACC win streak. Who would have thought. Still no media outrage on the ineptness of the Dukes, losing any momentum that the opening of a shiny new on-campus arena brought them.

Any time I think we have it bad as a basketball program, there is always Duquesne ready to say "Hold my Beer!"

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Again, I said this over 10 years ago, Hire Huggins, Why not?

Now? Hire Sean Miller? Why not? What's the worst that can happen?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

now up to 11 game losing streak, while we have a 3 game ACC win streak. Who would have thought. Still no media outrage on the ineptness of the Dukes, losing any momentum that the opening of a shiny new on-campus arena brought them.

Any time I think we have it bad as a basketball program, there is always Duquesne ready to say "Hold my Beer!"

Their new arena sucks. I cant believe they spent money on that. RMU's is much nicer.

Tom Pipkins Fan would say don't spend a dime on Palumbo and use the arena money to hire a good coach.

 

[Franb]

Their new arena sucks. I cant believe they spent money on that. RMU's is much nicer.

Tom Pipkins Fan would say don't spend a dime on Palumbo and use the arena money to hire a good coach.

Duquesne has been hiring what they thought was a “good coach” for decades. Turns out that hiring a good coach is not that easy.

 

[Atch]

It’s a “no brainer“ to play them, a for certain win, like 36-4 over the last 40 seasons. Duquesne fired their coach after those four seasons.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Their new arena sucks. I cant believe they spent money on that. RMU's is much nicer.

Tom Pipkins Fan would say don't spend a dime on Palumbo and use the arena money to hire a good coach.

I haven't been there since long before the renovation but it seems to be getting good reviews. What is lacking? Still too small? The layout still looks like an old gym as opposed to an actual arena at RMU. But I thought maybe that gave it some uniqueness.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

I haven't been there since long before the renovation but it seems to be getting good reviews. What is lacking? Still too small? The layout still looks like an old gym as opposed to an actual arena at RMU. But I thought maybe that gave it some uniqueness.

RMU is perfect. My daughter played in the WPIAL VB finals there. It was electric and loud.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Pitt's in the ACC and therefore recruits "nationally", at least East of the Mississippi.

Duquesne's issues are 95% related to the lack of local talent. The last time Duquesne was relevant, was the last time Western Pa can manage an entry into the Roundball classic.

Kevin Price's and Tom Pipkin's are no longer being produced and wouldn't go there. Let alone the Bruce Atkins and Doug Arnold's.

I think Micah Mason was the last local who had any type of impact there.

 

[pittchagg]

Pitt's in the ACC and therefore recruits "nationally", at least East of the Mississippi.

Duquesne's issues are 95% related to the lack of local talent. The last time Duquesne was relevant, was the last time Western Pa can manage an entry into the Roundball classic.

Kevin Price's and Tom Pipkin's are no longer being produced and wouldn't go there. Let alone the Bruce Atkins and Doug Arnold's.

I think Micah Mason was the last local who had any type of impact there.

Eh, Duquesne’s in one of the best mid-major conferences out there. The A10 can recruit up and down the Atlantic coast, and even out into Ohio, upstate NY, Missouri/Illinois, etc.

To say that Duquesne can only succeed if Pittsburgh is strong is antiquated. They’re in a good conference and should be able to recruit as such.

 

[wbrpanther]

Their new arena sucks. I cant believe they spent money on that. RMU's is much nicer.

Tom Pipkins Fan would say don't spend a dime on Palumbo and use the arena money to hire a good coach.

It's not like a Wal-Mart. Good coaches in aisle 3. Bad coaches in aisle 6. You don't know if the hire is good till way down the line.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Outside of parochial folks who are obsessed with Catholic education -
Nobody elsewhere has any idea where Duquesne is or have even heard of it .

it’s a coaching graveyard

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Eh, Duquesne’s in one of the best mid-major conferences out there. The A10 can recruit up and down the Atlantic coast, and even out into Ohio, upstate NY, Missouri/Illinois, etc.

To say that Duquesne can only succeed if Pittsburgh is strong is antiquated. They’re in a good conference and should be able to recruit as such.

The A10 isn't a mid-major conference

 

[pittchagg]

The A10 isn't a mid-major conference

It is if you separate out conferences as “high majors,” “mid majors,” and “low majors.” There are a bunch of sub-tiers of mid and low majors, but I equate “high majors” as the “power 5 plus the Big East,” which makes the A10 one of the better mid majors (along with the AAC, MAC, Mountain West, WCC, etc.)

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It is if you separate out conferences as “high majors,” “mid majors,” and “low majors.” There are a bunch of sub-tiers of mid and low majors, but I equate “high majors” as the “power 5 plus the Big East,” which makes the A10 one of the better mid majors (along with the AAC, MAC, Mountain West, WCC, etc.)

1. P6
2. High majors (A10, American, MWC, WCC)
3. Mid-majors
4. Low majors

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Pitt's in the ACC and therefore recruits "nationally", at least East of the Mississippi.

Duquesne's issues are 95% related to the lack of local talent. The last time Duquesne was relevant, was the last time Western Pa can manage an entry into the Roundball classic.

Kevin Price's and Tom Pipkin's are no longer being produced and wouldn't go there. Let alone the Bruce Atkins and Doug Arnold's.

I think Micah Mason was the last local who had any type of impact there.

lol, don't forget McConnell. Beginning of the end was him transferring and then firing Everhart. Although they did recruit that kid from Kennedy, Austin I think? Didn't he lose interest in basketball and quit, or transfer somewhere lower.

Maybe others can chime in but why is this area such a wasteland of Div 1 basketball talent? Some hope on the horizon with Parham from NH and Thomas at Lincoln.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Eh, Duquesne’s in one of the best mid-major conferences out there. The A10 can recruit up and down the Atlantic coast, and even out into Ohio, upstate NY, Missouri/Illinois, etc.

To say that Duquesne can only succeed if Pittsburgh is strong is antiquated. They’re in a good conference and should be able to recruit as such.

But they have been so poor for so long, for them to get decent talent, it would make sense that they are able to get a decent local player every couple of years.

You are right, it is a decent conference. I wonder where Pitt would finish??

 

[pittzap]

And Champ came back with Toney and Sibande never got hurt we’d be a tourney team.

The media infatuation with him is really weird. He’s another zero up on the hill. But seemingly gets a pass bc he “coached” Lebron.

That's along the lines of "40 points vs. Team USA". I never understood the infatuation with him when he was hired. They built him up like he was the second coming of Coach K.