OT - Tim Tebow

[DiehardPanther]

http://sportsjamm.com/tim-tebow-turned-down-her-invite-to-prom-but-then-he-shocked-us-all/

I never understood the animosity some people had for this guy. The only thing I can come up with is some people like to tear down others to make themselves feel better.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Take the inverse of Colon Kapernick and there you have it.

 

[Las Panteras]

I could not agree more with diehard panther. The people that go out of their way to mock this guy are insecure, weak and dependent.

Tebow is a man among men

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

He couldn't likely be less than a 180 from Kapernick politically but it's the same idea. Both are polarizing to a segment ... whether left or right ... of the NFL fan base. That could also extend to the locker room as well. Whether more perception vs. reality (particularly the latter in Tebow's case, I think), it doesn't matter. Teams don't want any part of that perceived risk of "distraction" (protests and hounding by reporters and such) and neither player is good enough to overcome that perceived risk. It's a bit like Bell or Bryant for the Steelers; both pains in the ass, but so talented that the Steelers put up with them.

 

[President Stache]

Yeah, agree Tebow is just a nice dude. I would say he overplays it, but he is just being himself. This is basically like most everyone at my kids school... the south just raises good kids in some areas.

 

[steelhead52]

The world is full of hurting, broken, angry, and insecure people. Many mock what he believes in order to feel better about themselves. Others just don't understand his value system. The fact is, because of his beliefs, he has chosen to use to use his gifts to bless and serve others. This is rare indeed in today's culture. Many would like him to slip up and fail. Others just don't want his values in their faces. He is just a man and is subject to all the frailties and temptations that we all face. But me personally, I'm impressed he has walked the talk. The world could use a lot more Tim Tebows. He really has been great example for many young athletes. He really does have something in his life that many people want or need even if they don't know it.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

The world is full of hurting, broken, angry, and insecure people. Many mock what he believes in order to feel better about themselves. Others just don't understand his value system. The fact is, because of his beliefs, he has chosen to use to use his gifts to bless and serve others. This is rare indeed in today's culture. Many would like him to slip up and fail. Others just don't want his values in their faces. He is just a man and is subject to all the frailties and temptations that we all face. But me personally, I'm impressed he has walked the talk. The world could use a lot more Tim Tebows. He really has been great example for many young athletes. He really does have something in his life that many people want or need even if they don't know it.

Well said. Explains the situation well. Some schadenfraude, some are just flawed people who don't want to be reminded they are and he does so.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

http://sportsjamm.com/tim-tebow-turned-down-her-invite-to-prom-but-then-he-shocked-us-all/

I never understood the animosity some people had for this guy. The only thing I can come up with is some people like to tear down others to make themselves feel better.

Tim Tebow is Tim Tebow.... 100% class.

 

[pittdan77]

I think Tebow is a good guy and a heck of an athlete but I don't think a lot of NFL teams saw him as a QB. Pretty sure he wanted to stay firm and play QB.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Tim Tebow is quite possibly the best overall human on Earth.

 

[Jpripper88]

He couldn't likely be less than a 180 from Kapernick politically but it's the same idea. Both are polarizing to a segment ... whether left or right ... of the NFL fan base. That could also extend to the locker room as well. Whether more perception vs. reality (particularly the latter in Tebow's case, I think), it doesn't matter. Teams don't want any part of that perceived risk of "distraction" (protests and hounding by reporters and such) and neither player is good enough to overcome that perceived risk. It's a bit like Bell or Bryant for the Steelers; both pains in the ass, but so talented that the Steelers put up with them.

Except Tebow is a good person.

 

[NNFAN]

Even George Zip would be impressed with this story.

 

[Las Panteras]

In his book, Tebow tells the story of the day he played golf with Phil Mickelson.

The week of the TPC Sawgrass, they played at a private course in Jacksonville. On the first tee, Mickelson looks at the scorecard and tells Tebow, "i am going to shoot 67 today"

On the 18th green, Phil taps in a 6 inch putt and cards a 67.

So Tebow asks him, "how did you know what you would score before teeing up?

Mickelson responds, "If is score lower the members will think their course isn't challenging enough.....If i shoot higher, the members will think I am sandbagging."

I'm sure the golfers here would enjoy that story.

BTW, Tebow shot an 82 from the tips.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

This thread is pretty ridiculous.

Tim Tebow seems like a nice kid. He has always seemed like a really nice kid. Also, based on what I've read and heard, he is one of the rare examples of a southerner who is actually authentically kind, rather than just superficially kind but fairly ugly behind closed doors.

His parents were missionaries and they appear to have raised him with a missionary spirit and he seems to have taken that all to heart. As a human being, he seems like a Hall of Famer.

If I learned that he had moved into my neighborhood, I would be very pleased with that because I'm sure he would be kind, courteous, polite, and maybe even friendly.

However, if I found out the Steelers were signing him as a backup quarterback, I would be considerably less enthused with that news.

I think most of the mockery has stemmed from his play. He was grossly overrated as a player and yet he was mercilessly shoved down everyone's throats – largely for reasons we are seeing in this thread. Devout Christians really rallied around him and political conservatives really rallied around him as well. That's cool – we all need role models. However, they pumped him up to be something more than what he actually was...a LOT more.

A HELLUVA LOT MORE.

He was a system player, nothing more. He was a running quarterback in a system that allowed him to play that way.

However, he was a terrible passer. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. There are people who to this day insist that he is the greatest quarterback in the history of college football. That's just completely ridiculous. That's like saying Raghib Ismail is the greatest receiver in CFB history even though he did most of his damage on kick and punt returns and reverses.

Now, Tebow was very successful in college – there's no doubting that. However, so was Jamelle Hollieway, the running quarterback from Oklahoma in the 80s; and Tommy Frazier, the running quarterback from Nebraska in the 90s.

Tim Tebow was A LOT MORE like those guys than some of the actual greatest quarterbacks that have played college football.

However, because of his openness about his religious beliefs ( which I share, BTW) and his outspoken political beliefs (some of which I also share) people went nuts and pumped his tires to obscenely ridiculous levels and flat out refused to acknowledge what we could all see with our own two eyes: that he was basically a fullback who could throw a little bit.

I think that's why the backlash that started was so fierce. I don't think it has anything to do with people being insecure. I think it had to do with people equalizing what had become a ridiculous conversation – that Tim Tebow was the greatest quarterback in history of college football. No, he wasn't and it's not even close.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Except Tebow is a good person.

"Bad" people make up a big part of the NFL fan base (and at least as importantly, the players) and typically aren't amenable to "good" people. So for the flip side of the reason that the owners may fear CK as a turn off to "good" fans (and a distraction in the locker room) they fear similar with TT. None of this would matter with either of course, if either were Tom Brady, or maybe even if either were seen as midgrade quality starting QBs by most or any team, but they apparently aren't considered such... or they'd have jobs.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Just to be clear, just because you don't necessarily root for Tim Tebow to succeed or you just don't think he's a very good quarterback, that doesn't make you a bad person.

If you think he's not a good player, it probably makes you a reasonable evaluator of talent.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Incidentally, I think people are doing the same thing with Kaepernick right now - just on the other side.

They like that he is a social justice warrior and are so in love with his message that they are ignoring the fact that he's just not a very good quarterback.

That's the real reason he can't get an NFL contract. He is simply not good enough to justify all of the public backlash you will surely receive should you sign him. However, I will guarantee you that if Aaron Rodgers starts kneeling during the national anthem, as a protest for whatever reason he deems fit, Green Bay is not cutting him because of it.

Still, Colin Kaepernick is a way better player than Tim Tebow.

 

[Jpripper88]

Incidentally, I think people are doing the same thing with Kaepernick right now - just on the other side.

They like that he is a social justice warrior and are so in love with his message that they are ignoring the fact that he's just not a very good quarterback.

That's the real reason he can't get an NFL contract. He is simply not good enough to justify all of the public backlash you will surely receive should you sign him. However, I will guarantee you that if Aaron Rodgers starts kneeling during the national anthem, as a protest for whatever reason he deems fit, Green Bay is not cutting him because of it.

Still, Colin Kaepernick is a way better player than Tim Tebow.

AND, most importantly, he isn't going to be developed at this point, so, while he may be good enough to be the starter for 5-8 teams, he provides no upside for those teams who have no shot at the playoffs anyway. As a backup he doesn't fit most schemes and isn't exactly known as the guy who is in the room growing other QB's knowledge.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Incidentally, I think people are doing the same thing with Kaepernick right now - just on the other side.

They like that he is a social justice warrior and are so in love with his message that they are ignoring the fact that he's just not a very good quarterback.

That's the real reason he can't get an NFL contract. He is simply not good enough to justify all of the public backlash you will surely receive should you sign him. However, I will guarantee you that if Aaron Rodgers starts kneeling during the national anthem, as a protest for whatever reason he deems fit, Green Bay is not cutting him because of it.

Still, Colin Kaepernick is a way better player than Tim Tebow.

Agree with all this. CK imo is good enough to be worth someone taking a chance on vs perceived downside. TT not so much.

 

[lilspainishflea]

This thread is pretty ridiculous.

Tim Tebow seems like a nice kid. He has always seemed like a really nice kid. Also, based on what I've read and heard, he is one of the rare examples of a southerner who is actually authentically kind, rather than just superficially kind but fairly ugly behind closed doors.

His parents were missionaries and they appear to have raised him with a missionary spirit and he seems to have taken that all to heart. As a human being, he seems like a Hall of Famer.

If I learned that he had moved into my neighborhood, I would be very pleased with that because I'm sure he would be kind, courteous, polite, and maybe even friendly.

However, if I found out the Steelers were signing him as a backup quarterback, I would be considerably less enthused with that news.

I think most of the mockery has stemmed from his play. He was grossly overrated as a player and yet he was mercilessly shoved down everyone's throats – largely for reasons we are seeing in this thread. Devout Christians really rallied around him and political conservatives really rallied around him as well. That's cool – we all need role models. However, they pumped him up to be something more than what he actually was...a LOT more.

A HELLUVA LOT MORE.

He was a system player, nothing more. He was a running quarterback in a system that allowed him to play that way.

However, he was a terrible passer. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. There are people who to this day insist that he is the greatest quarterback in the history of college football. That's just completely ridiculous. That's like saying Raghib Ismail is the greatest receiver in CFB history even though he did most of his damage on kick and punt returns and reverses.

Now, Tebow was very successful in college – there's no doubting that. However, so was Jamelle Hollieway, the running quarterback from Oklahoma in the 80s; and Tommy Frazier, the running quarterback from Nebraska in the 90s.

Tim Tebow was A LOT MORE like those guys than some of the actual greatest quarterbacks that have played college football.

However, because of his openness about his religious beliefs ( which I share, BTW) and his outspoken political beliefs (some of which I also share) people went nuts and pumped his tires to obscenely ridiculous levels and flat out refused to acknowledge what we could all see with our own two eyes: that he was basically a fullback who could throw a little bit.

I think that's why the backlash that started was so fierce. I don't think it has anything to do with people being insecure. I think it had to do with people equalizing what had become a ridiculous conversation – that Tim Tebow was the greatest quarterback in history of college football. No, he wasn't and it's not even close.

You summed it up perfectly. He has as many career passing yards as Case Keenum had last year. He's just not that good of a QB but he is pushed by the media-industrial complex because he went to a huge Southern college and is a Christian. Great guy, but there is ZERO reason to hear about him based on the merits of his play in football or baseball.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Speak of the devil. Now, Aaron Rodgers is speaking out in support of Colin Kaepernick. Will he be blackballed? Of course not – he's Aaron freaking Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers Says Colin Kaepernick Isn't on NFL Team 'Because of His Protests' - Bleacher Report https://apple.news/AK2aWHG5-RRaysTAd1UMd8g

 

[Jpripper88]

Speak of the devil. Now, Aaron Rodgers is speaking out in support of Colin Kaepernick. Will he be blackballed? Of course not – he's Aaron freaking Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers Says Colin Kaepernick Isn't on NFL Team 'Because of His Protests' - Bleacher Report https://apple.news/AK2aWHG5-RRaysTAd1UMd8g

100%.

And, so we can see how much Rodgers really believes that and cares. All the Packers have behind Aaron Rodgers is Brett Hundley, who is a 5th round pick going into his 3rd season. They have no other veteran backup. He can demand the Packers offer Kaepernick and they would probably have to do it, as Rodgers is obviously the franchise player and needs a contract extension this year or next. Of course he won't do this, but he could, if he really believed it and wanted to.

 

[pittdan77]

I think the perception that Kaepernick is a "bad person" is unfounded. You may not agree with him but his original protest was over the number of black men that were being killed by police. I tend to agree with him on that issue and that's about it.

It's a funny league. A guy like Mike Vick, who was essentially in a similar, late career, situation, ended up getting a pass and was defended in a lot of circles even though he was a proven dirt bag and ultimately not worth the roster spot.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Speak of the devil. Now, Aaron Rodgers is speaking out in support of Colin Kaepernick. Will he be blackballed? Of course not – he's Aaron freaking Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers Says Colin Kaepernick Isn't on NFL Team 'Because of His Protests' - Bleacher Report https://apple.news/AK2aWHG5-RRaysTAd1UMd8g

There is a limited conspiracy for sure. But by limited, I think most teams earnestly don't think the guy can still play well enough to be worth taking the perceived risk. Or someone would (or will) take a flyer on him.

I mean, multiple teams kept guys who did uglier things because they were great players. Right here in Pittsburgh, James Harrison. Burfict in Cincy. Lewis in Baltimore. Could go on and on. And other teams have players doing the protest bit now, and not getting cut. If this were the Kap of his Super Bowl year, he'd be in camp by now.

 

[TD_6082]

This thread is pretty ridiculous.

Tim Tebow seems like a nice kid. He has always seemed like a really nice kid. Also, based on what I've read and heard, he is one of the rare examples of a southerner who is actually authentically kind, rather than just superficially kind but fairly ugly behind closed doors.

His parents were missionaries and they appear to have raised him with a missionary spirit and he seems to have taken that all to heart. As a human being, he seems like a Hall of Famer.

If I learned that he had moved into my neighborhood, I would be very pleased with that because I'm sure he would be kind, courteous, polite, and maybe even friendly.

However, if I found out the Steelers were signing him as a backup quarterback, I would be considerably less enthused with that news.

I think most of the mockery has stemmed from his play. He was grossly overrated as a player and yet he was mercilessly shoved down everyone's throats – largely for reasons we are seeing in this thread. Devout Christians really rallied around him and political conservatives really rallied around him as well. That's cool – we all need role models. However, they pumped him up to be something more than what he actually was...a LOT more.

A HELLUVA LOT MORE.

He was a system player, nothing more. He was a running quarterback in a system that allowed him to play that way.

However, he was a terrible passer. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. There are people who to this day insist that he is the greatest quarterback in the history of college football. That's just completely ridiculous. That's like saying Raghib Ismail is the greatest receiver in CFB history even though he did most of his damage on kick and punt returns and reverses.

Now, Tebow was very successful in college – there's no doubting that. However, so was Jamelle Hollieway, the running quarterback from Oklahoma in the 80s; and Tommy Frazier, the running quarterback from Nebraska in the 90s.

Tim Tebow was A LOT MORE like those guys than some of the actual greatest quarterbacks that have played college football.

However, because of his openness about his religious beliefs ( which I share, BTW) and his outspoken political beliefs (some of which I also share) people went nuts and pumped his tires to obscenely ridiculous levels and flat out refused to acknowledge what we could all see with our own two eyes: that he was basically a fullback who could throw a little bit.

I think that's why the backlash that started was so fierce. I don't think it has anything to do with people being insecure. I think it had to do with people equalizing what had become a ridiculous conversation – that Tim Tebow was the greatest quarterback in history of college football. No, he wasn't and it's not even close.

I agree with what you are saying to a point. Obviously, Tebow was not a great passer. So on one hand, I understand where you are coming from. However, Tebow did rack up 9300 passing yards in his college career, which is almost double what Frazier & Holieway did combined.

Tebow also completed 66.4% of his career passes with 88 TDs and 16 INTs. Frazier 49.5% with 43 TDs & 11 INTs. Holieway 45.4% with 22 TDs & 15 INTs.

TT isn't a NFL QB by any stretch, but was a great college QB even if it was because he was in a system perfectly suited to his talents. He was the face of a program that won 2 NC's in his 4 years. ...And here we are 8 years later and the Gators still haven't replaced him.

 

[Jpripper88]

I think the perception that Kaepernick is a "bad person" is unfounded. You may not agree with him but his original protest was over the number of black men that were being killed by police. I tend to agree with him on that issue and that's about it.

It's a funny league. A guy like Mike Vick, who was essentially in a similar, late career, situation, ended up getting a pass and was defended in a lot of circles even though he was a proven dirt bag and ultimately not worth the roster spot.

The problem there is it really isn't backed up in facts and he didn't have any backup or insights. Then he attributed cops to murderous pigs. He publicly supported the efforts of Castro and, without question, Malcolm X. You can't just separate those things.

Mike Vick was more successful and more talented. Plus, he admitted and paid for his wrongs. Kaepernick spits in the faces without knowing what/why he is spitting. He is a self indulgent hypocrite. Hopefully his GF/fiancé is worth it.

 

[Las Panteras]

If Tebow was a fifth round pick....and played TE for the Broncos......would the outcry both for and against him be as vocal?

Given the politically charged nature of America today coupled with a media juggernaut like the NFL....I say yes.

Has nothing to do with his ability or lack of.....to play QB in the league.....

 

[Jpripper88]

If Tebow was a fifth round pick....and played TE for the Broncos......would the outcry both for and against him be as vocal?

Given the politically charged nature of America today coupled with a media juggernaut like the NFL....I say yes.

Has nothing to do with his ability or lack of.....to play QB in the league.....

For this long? I don't think so, but Michael Sam got enormous amounts of attention for a couple years, despite being a borderline NFL DE. It was pumped up that he was being discriminated against for being gay and otherwise he would be a top draft pick. I am sure he was pushed down or taken off some boards for it or the media surrounding it, but the guy was never more than a late round pick.

 

[Las Panteras]

For this long? I don't think so, but Michael Sam got enormous amounts of attention for a couple years, despite being a borderline NFL DE. It was pumped up that he was being discriminated against for being gay and otherwise he would be a top draft pick. I am sure he was pushed down or taken off some boards for it or the media surrounding it, but the guy was never more than a late round pick.

Agreed....not this long.

My point.....much like Michael Sam...it has little do to with football talent.

 

[DiehardPanther]

The problem there is it really isn't backed up in facts and he didn't have any backup or insights. Then he attributed cops to murderous pigs. He publicly supported the efforts of Castro and, without question, Malcolm X. You can't just separate those things.

Mike Vick was more successful and more talented. Plus, he admitted and paid for his wrongs. Kaepernick spits in the faces without knowing what/why he is spitting. He is a self indulgent hypocrite. Hopefully his GF/fiancé is worth it.

Vick slaughtered dogs. He is a POS.

 

[Jpripper88]

Vick slaughtered dogs. He is a POS.

I didn't say he wasn't.

 

[pittdan77]

Kaepernick spits in the faces without knowing what/why he is spitting.

I thought he was pretty clear about his feelings and why he was protesting.

 

[CJsE]

I don't know if the animosity is directed at Tebow as much as it is directed at the amount of coverage he receives, because he certainly didn't get the daily coverage based on his NFL talents or stats. From a sport fan's perspective, he is in the same boat as Kaepernick, where the fan support and press coverage is based around his beliefs and actions outside of sports, rather than his accomplishments and talents in football. They are both proud atheltes that enjoy and seek attention.


In his final year in Denver, Tebow completed less than 50% of his passes with 18 touchdowns and 17 turnovers for a 72.9 QBR. Yet there were people in Pittsburgh clamoring for the Steelers to sign him.

Compare that to Kaepernick last year who completed 59% of his passes with 18 TDs and 10 Turnovers for a 90.7 QBR. Some people might complain that comparing 2nd year stats to 6th year stats is unfair. Good point, Kaepernick's 2nd year in SF he completed 62% of his passes with 15 TDs and 10 Turnovers for a 98.3 QBR. It is clear that Kaep is a superior professional quarterback, but I can't imagine those same people are calling for Pittsburgh to sign him.

In my experience on this topic, it seems like that same people that say that ESPN and sportswriters should stick to sports are the same people that say "I don't understand why people have any animosity towards Tebow or stories about Tebow."

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I don't know if the animosity is directed at Tebow as much as it is directed at the amount of coverage he receives, because he certainly didn't get the daily coverage based on his NFL talents or stats. From a sport fan's perspective, he is in the same boat as Kaepernick, where the fan support and press coverage is based around his beliefs and actions outside of sports, rather than his accomplishments and talents in football. They are both proud atheltes that enjoy and seek attention.


In his final year in Denver, Tebow completed less than 50% of his passes with 18 touchdowns and 17 turnovers for a 72.9 QBR. Yet there were people in Pittsburgh clamoring for the Steelers to sign him.

Compare that to Kaepernick last year who completed 59% of his passes with 18 TDs and 10 Turnovers for a 90.7 QBR. Some people might complain that comparing 2nd year stats to 6th year stats is unfair. Good point, Kaepernick's 2nd year in SF he completed 62% of his passes with 15 TDs and 10 Turnovers for a 98.3 QBR. It is clear that Kaep is a superior professional quarterback, but I can't imagine those same people are calling for Pittsburgh to sign him.

In my experience on this topic, it seems like that same people that say that ESPN and sportswriters should stick to sports are the same people that say "I don't understand why people have any animosity towards Tebow or stories about Tebow."

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

This thread is pretty ridiculous.

Tim Tebow seems like a nice kid. He has always seemed like a really nice kid. Also, based on what I've read and heard, he is one of the rare examples of a southerner who is actually authentically kind, rather than just superficially kind but fairly ugly behind closed doors.

His parents were missionaries and they appear to have raised him with a missionary spirit and he seems to have taken that all to heart. As a human being, he seems like a Hall of Famer.

If I learned that he had moved into my neighborhood, I would be very pleased with that because I'm sure he would be kind, courteous, polite, and maybe even friendly.

However, if I found out the Steelers were signing him as a backup quarterback, I would be considerably less enthused with that news.

I think most of the mockery has stemmed from his play. He was grossly overrated as a player and yet he was mercilessly shoved down everyone's throats – largely for reasons we are seeing in this thread. Devout Christians really rallied around him and political conservatives really rallied around him as well. That's cool – we all need role models. However, they pumped him up to be something more than what he actually was...a LOT more.

A HELLUVA LOT MORE.

He was a system player, nothing more. He was a running quarterback in a system that allowed him to play that way.

However, he was a terrible passer. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. There are people who to this day insist that he is the greatest quarterback in the history of college football. That's just completely ridiculous. That's like saying Raghib Ismail is the greatest receiver in CFB history even though he did most of his damage on kick and punt returns and reverses.

Now, Tebow was very successful in college – there's no doubting that. However, so was Jamelle Hollieway, the running quarterback from Oklahoma in the 80s; and Tommy Frazier, the running quarterback from Nebraska in the 90s.

Tim Tebow was A LOT MORE like those guys than some of the actual greatest quarterbacks that have played college football.

However, because of his openness about his religious beliefs ( which I share, BTW) and his outspoken political beliefs (some of which I also share) people went nuts and pumped his tires to obscenely ridiculous levels and flat out refused to acknowledge what we could all see with our own two eyes: that he was basically a fullback who could throw a little bit.

I think that's why the backlash that started was so fierce. I don't think it has anything to do with people being insecure. I think it had to do with people equalizing what had become a ridiculous conversation – that Tim Tebow was the greatest quarterback in history of college football. No, he wasn't and it's not even close.

I agree with what you are saying to a point. Obviously, Tebow was not a great passer. So on one hand, I understand where you are coming from. However, Tebow did rack up 9300 passing yards in his college career, which is almost double what Frazier & Holieway did combined.

Tebow also completed 66.4% of his career passes with 88 TDs and 16 INTs. Frazier 49.5% with 43 TDs & 11 INTs. Holieway 45.4% with 22 TDs & 15 INTs.

TT isn't a NFL QB by any stretch, but was a great college QB even if it was because he was in a system perfectly suited to his talents. He was the face of a program that won 2 NC's in his 4 years. ...And here we are 8 years later and the Gators still haven't replaced him.

Yeah, I'm still not persuaded. The stats are terribly misleading. If you went by that, then I could point to the Texas Tech quarterback - whoever he happens to be in a given year - is the greatest player in college football. Now we can say that of Washington State's QB as well. We know that's not true either.

Tebow was not a good passer in college. The high completion percentage was a function of a million shuffle passes and a litany of very easy throws. You know that because you saw him play as well.

You also know that the game changed tremendously from the 80s and 90s to when Tebow played. For example, Pat White also threw for a lot more yards than Frazier and Holieway, but I don't think anyone would claim that he was a great passer.

You also know that Tebow was the backup quarterback to Chris Leak on one of those national championship teams.

Look, I don't want to overstate my case here. He was an excellent collegian and I think it would be a disservice to him and to the history of the sport to insist otherwise or to miss that broader point.

However, the hype was way, way, WAY over-the-top relative to his actual talent level and I think that some of the public backlash is a recognition of that fact.

And I absolutely reject the ridiculous notion that the people pointing that out are necessarily insecure or bad or evil people. Maybe they just think that a certain player received way too much exposure relative to his talent level?

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I just think for a player to be one of the all-time greats in the sport, he has to be someone who was clearly system transcendent. Meaning, he would have been dominant in just about any system.

Tony Dorsett would have been great in any system. Herschel Walker would have excelled in any system. Tim Tebow could only be great in that system. That, to me, makes him a system player - at least relative to the all-time greats.

I'm just looking at the list of all-time Heisman Trophy winners and he's not one of the top 10 – he's just not. He was still a great player – just still overrated.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I think the perception that Kaepernick is a "bad person" is unfounded. You may not agree with him but his original protest was over the number of black men that were being killed by police. I tend to agree with him on that issue and that's about it.

It's a funny league. A guy like Mike Vick, who was essentially in a similar, late career, situation, ended up getting a pass and was defended in a lot of circles even though he was a proven dirt bag and ultimately not worth the roster spot.

Similar?

Vick is a convicted felon who served his time for murdering and torturing dogs

Kap took a kneee as a symbolic protest .

 

[Las Panteras]

Yeah, I'm still not persuaded. The stats are terribly misleading. If you went by that, then I could point to the Texas Tech quarterback - whoever he happens to be in a given year - is the greatest player in college football. Now we can say that of Washington State's QB as well. We know that's not true either.

Tebow was not a good passer in college. The high completion percentage was a function of a million shuffle passes and a litany of very easy throws. You know that because you saw him play as well.

You also know that the game changed tremendously from the 80s and 90s to when Tebow played. For example, Pat White also threw for a lot more yards than Frazier and Holieway, but I don't think anyone would claim that he was a great passer.

You also know that Tebow was the backup quarterback to Chris Leak on one of those national championship teams.

Look, I don't want to overstate my case here. He was an excellent collegian and I think it would be a disservice to him and to the history of the sport to insist otherwise or to miss that broader point.

However, the hype was way, way, WAY over-the-top relative to his actual talent level and I think that some of the public backlash is a recognition of that fact.

And I absolutely reject the ridiculous notion that the people pointing that out are necessarily insecure or bad or evil people. Maybe they just think that a certain player received way too much exposure relative to his talent level?

The public backlash ( or adoration) has precious little to do with Tebows talent level.....no different than kap or m sam.

The backlash or adoration is due to a politically charged and divided nation.

Ad you correctly stated.....Tebows body of work doesn't warrant the coverage he had received over the years

If you believe a portion of the public backlash is due to an overhyped athlete.....I hope we can agree that % is indeed low relative to the masses that either love or hate the guy for reasons that have nothing to do with athletics.

 

[RHS14]

People in the media / discussing this on the internent / etc. forget why Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick both are viewed with serious negativity by many ---

Unless Your Ideology / passionate emotions fall absolutely, directly in-line with what they keep peddling and speaking about publicly --- They are both just not all that Charismatic dudes in their own right.

Tim Tebow is clean cut, no piercings, no tats, speaks incredibly well and earnestly ---- but frankly, while many have value-systems that fall perfectly in-line with his words --- many including myself, sometimes are just not buying it.

It's too much giving a higher-power credit in too many moments where he needs to be giving that credit to the actual humans around him (a la never thanking his Lineman, Wide-Receivers, Coaches --- it was ALWAYS the higher power pulling the strings---gonna pi$$ people off) --- and it's obvious he freagin' LOVES ATTENTION. LOVES IT SO MUCH haha.

If he was truly doing all this purely out of the goodness of his heart, and tried to keep his positive actions on the down-low just doing good things because it's right -- no one in their 'right minds' could feel a negative feeling.

But Tebow, frankly (not saying anything about personal-life stuff here lol), is what they call a complete Attention Wh*re. A charming, well-spoken, albeit "not promiscuous" - Kardashian essentially. Just saying how people see it and feel it.

Kaepernick on the other hand, is just a Silly, "Lady-Whipped", Childish and Lost, Brat!!!

He posted the most Selfish, childish, Me-Me-Me social media for years and years until suddenly, cough, SUPER-HOT, MUSLIM (the Sex and Drinking is Okay kind lol) MARXIST Girlfriend!

I laughed at it all (him I mean, not the important American =topics he was totally butchering and hate-mongering people on). Anyone see after his "protest", when he got into his $120 grand Mercedes G-Wagon after the game to go to his Northern California Mansion, to then get "rewarded" for his actions by his Cal Berkeley Ultra-Leftist / Marxist / Radio host Girflfiend? What a hero lol.

People who pay attention to the details laugh at Kaepernick because his girlfriend Nessa Diab, is like that blonde played by Kim Bassinger from "The Natural" --- she dated and lived with his ex teammate D-End Aldon Smith for a long time, then cheats on him with Kaepernick when Aldon Smith starts getting in trouble with the NFL for DUI and positive drug tests etc. .... then she "officially" leaves Smith after he gets suspended again from the NFL for drunk driving / substances.....

Classy, classy people those two are , ugh, and young minority kids especially are getting "Conned" by older folks who should know better that he is some "Saint". So silly.

There are Americans who give so much to make this country better of all ethnicities / religions / professions ---- Only the 'STOOGES' think Kaepernick is anything more than a silly Brat.

That sums it all up for both. Mike Vick, unlike the other two, has this thing called "Character Charisma" which is why all his teammates love him and defend him, and why coaches / GM's and Owners wanted to give him another chance. Why Mike Tomlin and the Steelers owners and GM brought him in unlike Kaepernick. If you haven't met him in person and been around him, and just watch TV, you can't always feel that.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

The public backlash ( or adoration) has precious little to do with Tebows talent level.....no different than kap or m sam.

The backlash or adoration is due to a politically charged and divided nation.

Ad you correctly stated.....Tebows body of work doesn't warrant the coverage he had received over the years

If you believe a portion of the public backlash is due to an overhyped athlete.....I hope we can agree that % is indeed low relative to the masses that either love or hate the guy for reasons that have nothing to do with athletics.

Oh, I absolutely agree with that. Clearly politics and larger cultural issues have played a part in both instances. I don't know why people continually insist on bringing politics into sports, but they do.

Personally, I am a big believer in "separating the art from the artist." Some of my favorite works of art, music, etc., were produced by people with whom I probably wouldn't want to have a beer. However, I am still a tremendous admirer of their work. It's the same with sports - particularly pro sports.

Obviously, there's a limit to it. I'm not interested in criminals representing my teams. However, if a guy wants to stand at full attention, or sit in protest, or do the Irish jig during the playing of our national anthem, I don't really care.

However, I also understand that other people do care a lot about symbolic gestures like that and I relate to their feelings as well.

As for Tebow, I just don't think that the backlash started with people who hate Christians or conservatives.

I think the backlash started because the Christian conservatives were a little bit heavy-handed in their ceaseless fellating of that guy because they saw him as one of their own.

As I said earlier, I am also a faithful Christian and I come from a very conservative background. I'm an independent but I still have some conservative beliefs.

I just jump off the train whenever it gets a little bit over-the-top and I agree with the people who thought the Tim Tebow stuff was a little bit too much. In fact, it was a hell of a lot too much.

And I'm someone who is actually rooting for the kid to succeed. As I said earlier, he seems like a great kid. Of course I'd like to see him enjoy success.

What I don't like is people pissing all over my shoes and then telling me it's raining. I know who he is and how much talent he has relative to everyone else; and I don't appreciate people constantly telling me that he's actually much better than I realize. Those people are completely full of shit.