OT: Tyler Glasnow

[Nardog2]

I remember last year a ton of people literally screaming he was ready, and the pirates were simply being cheap by not bringing him up.

Well I know it was only one inning, but it was one of the worst innings I've seen in a while.

This is exactly what we said could happen, but people said his 4.5 walks per nine in the minors was fine.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Yeah, the trades we heard about a few years ago featuring Glasnow headlining a return for Archer...would be nice to go back abd revisit that one. I'm not saying Glasnow doesn't become a fine pitcher but the last year had been alarming. Another reason not to overvalue prospects (would have done a Quintana deal).

 

[Tony Zimmermans Dennys Adversary]

The kid looks like he's a headcase. Very fragile. Over-throwing the ball big time!

It was entertaining seeing those animated displays by Cervelli, Hurdle, and Searage. They were trying so hard to give him some kind of confidence.

 

[Piranha]

Yeah, the trades we heard about a few years ago featuring Glasnow headlining a return for Archer...would be nice to go back abd revisit that one. I'm not saying Glasnow doesn't become a fine pitcher but the last year had been alarming. Another reason not to overvalue prospects (would have done a Quintana deal).

The Archer or Quintana deal absolutely should have been done.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Meanwhile, no team in the history of baseball squanders more two-men-on, nobody out innings (failing to score at all) than the Pittsburgh Pirates.

 

[paulbl99]

I remember last year a ton of people literally screaming he was ready, and the pirates were simply being cheap by not bringing him up.

Well I know it was only one inning, but it was one of the worst innings I've seen in a while.

This is exactly what we said could happen, but people said his 4.5 walks per nine in the minors was fine.

That's true but the numbers gurus ranted at anybody who even suggested that Nutting bring in more pitching last year.
They said the Bucs didn't want to block their young talent...

Hello.....
Where are they are??
Aside from the obvious-one.

Glasnow wouldn't be smelling a start had it not been for Hutchinson tanking his last three Spring starts...
Hutch, a Nutting special-edition payroll dump acquisition and pitching like it.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Yeah, the trades we heard about a few years ago featuring Glasnow headlining a return for Archer...would be nice to go back abd revisit that one. I'm not saying Glasnow doesn't become a fine pitcher but the last year had been alarming. Another reason not to overvalue prospects (would have done a Quintana deal).

Agree half of all prospects, even the good ones, never make a real dent in the majors. And another half of the ones that do take a long time to develope. I move the prospects if it gets me a proven player, as long as its not a half year rental. I wouldn't give up top prospects for 40 games and hope that they do something in the playoff's at least not if its as a wild card.

 

[ECUPittfan]

Should have traded Meadows and Glasnow and another prospect for Quintana before the season. As of now Glasnow will just lose value.

 

[PhPanther1]

Glasnow has nothing left to prove in the minors. Time to find out if he sucks or not and if so, move on.

 

[indoorgolf]

Glasnow has nothing left to prove in the minors. Time to find out if he sucks or not and if so, move on.

Troubling that while in the minors scouts were touting that his fastball was 97/98 mph range yet in in majors he is throwing 91/92. Radar guns are juiced or something is very wrong.

 

[Nardog2]

Should have traded Meadows and Glasnow and another prospect for Quintana before the season. As of now Glasnow will just lose value.

Absolutely not. Glasnow yes, meadows no.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Well now, I hope all you bobblehead fans and Nutting lackeys (LOL who do I sound like) anyways...yeah it is best to hang onto prospects! You can't trade away your future! My god, imagine if they recklessly traded away prospects or draft picks like the Penguins. I mean, the Pens are gearing up for a defense of their championship, but the Pirates have one of the top rated farm systems, and we know that is more important.

Losers. Loser franchise, loser mentality, loser fans getting what they deserve.

Glasnow, he lacks one thing. A set of gonads. He is afraid to throw strikes. Glasnow will be another prospect who dies on the vine, in the system, when he could have fetched a legit MLB starter with a reasonable contract.

 

[Delpanther]

Anyone who believed all those "prized" Pirate farmhands would become star major leaguers hasn't followed baseball for very long.... but if they get go the majors they're cheap for a few years and that's why the Pirates hang on to them, at least until the next salary dump demands that they be traded.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

25 innings in the major leagues and he is 23 years old

Relax

 

[PittPoker]

When your owner refuses to have a payroll anywhere close to the mlb average, and after 3 years of record profits decides to dump prospects and players to shed salary: you have an erratic, totally unready kid as our number 5 starter getting lit up.

The Nutting regime, gotta love it.

 

[paulbl99]

Should have traded Meadows and Glasnow and another prospect for Quintana before the season. As of now Glasnow will just lose value.

Don't worry Nutting will trade them when he gets rid of Cutch in a Nutting payroll dump.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Don't worry Nutting will trade them when he gets rid of Cutch in a Nutting payroll dump.

OK. But right now, "dumping" Cutch is not the best reason to cite this franchise's cheapness. Cutch's value is going down week by week.

 

[paulbl99]

OK. But right now, "dumping" Cutch is not the best reason to cite this franchise's cheapness. Cutch's value is going down week by week.

And they will do anything , get rid of anybody to dump Cutch along with whatever's in the stable if it comes to that.
Cause that's what Nutting does.

 

[h2p_5150]

A real franchise would have brought in a back of the rotation starter (NOT Drew Hutchison, who is a AAA back of the rotation starter) so they wouldn't be forced to use Glasnow in the rotation to start the year. This is a joke of a franchise, so that option was never even considered.

 

[Ski11585]

Can we just make two season-long OT threads to pin? One for people to bitch and moan and another for people who, you know, want to talk about the season?

 

[upj87]

I remember last year a ton of people literally screaming he was ready, and the pirates were simply being cheap by not bringing him up.

Well I know it was only one inning, but it was one of the worst innings I've seen in a while.

This is exactly what we said could happen, but people said his 4.5 walks per nine in the minors was fine.

reminds me a lot of Rudy from the Bears back in the 70's but sometimes Buttermaker just did not have another option further down in the rotation.

 

[FreeportPanther]

Well now, I hope all you bobblehead fans and Nutting lackeys (LOL who do I sound like) anyways...yeah it is best to hang onto prospects! You can't trade away your future! My god, imagine if they recklessly traded away prospects or draft picks like the Penguins. I mean, the Pens are gearing up for a defense of their championship, but the Pirates have one of the top rated farm systems, and we know that is more important.

Losers. Loser franchise, loser mentality, loser fans getting what they deserve.

Glasnow, he lacks one thing. A set of gonads. He is afraid to throw strikes. Glasnow will be another prospect who dies on the vine, in the system, when he could have fetched a legit MLB starter with a reasonable contract.

Probably time to step back from the ledge.
This is the kid's first start. He is 23. He has, by all accounts, a very plus fastball.
Rating services put him as the Pirate's third best prospect and another listed him as the best minor league pitcher in baseball.

If we judged all pitchers by their early starts, no one would ever have heard of Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan.
Now before everyone goes nuts saying I'm comparing Glasnow with Ryan and Johnson, that's not the point. Who knows what he is, just like those guys he may develop, he may not. The point is it is waaaaay too early to judge him.

 

[Farnox]

And they will do anything , get rid of anybody to dump Cutch along with whatever's in the stable if it comes to that.
Cause that's what Nutting does.

I'm sure there's another Brant Brown waiting in the wings for Cutch.

 

[yourhired]

Let's give the young man a chance he isn't the first MLB Pitcher to learn on the job. The club doesn't have many other options so I'm willing to give him a chance right now I would be more worry about Cole than Glassnow. Secondly I would never trade Meadows.

 

[Swervin27]

reminds me a lot of Rudy from the Bears back in the 70's but sometimes Buttermaker just did not have another option further down in the rotation.

I appreciated Rudy Stein taking one for the team in the championship game by leaning into the pitch.. he just didn't have the bat.. that was the one glaring weakness with the Bears, very weak bullpen.. they had the ace, Amanda and nothing after her..

Actually, their bench was pretty bad too. Ogilvie and Jose didn't inspire too much confidence

 

[paulbl99]

Let's give the young man a chance he isn't the first MLB Pitcher to learn on the job. The club doesn't have many other options so I'm willing to give him a chance right now I would be more worry about Cole than Glassnow. Secondly I would never trade Meadows.

Agree absolutely
But coming out of Spring you know he was a complete stretch to be # 5 and Hutch giving up 21 runs in his last11 innings is why Tyler got the ball .


And really did you ever see a pitcher so completely LOST as him last night in a MLB game???

But yes yes absolutely yes....
One game.
Let's see him back it up.

 

[Piranha]

#NuttingsWalletAlwaysWins

 

[Pittx9]

Glasnow has control issues, Hutchison is just absolutely terrible. I think glasnow should spend some time in the pen and give Trevor Williams a brief chance in the rotation.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Glasnow has control issues, Hutchison is just absolutely terrible. I think glasnow should spend some time in the pen and give Trevor Williams a brief chance in the rotation.

I'd expect to see Kingham get his shot as well if he can ever stay healthy. He might never be much better than a 4th or 5th guy but he does still seem to have potential.

 

[PantherO]

The Salary Dump ( I mean trade) to get Hutchison still ticks me off. We gave away 2 top 10 prospects for him.

So to get Quintana, that would essentially be giving up 5 prospects for a starting Pitcher. Which no one in their right mind would do.

Face it, we aren't getting a legitimate starter anytime soon. I think sadly, Williams is our best bet. Perhaps the shopping of Cutch was to try to get some prospects or a Pitcher to make up for that deal. Who knows.

They will be lucky to finish 4th in the division this year.

 

[paulbl99]

The Salary Dump ( I mean trade) to get Hutchison still ticks me off. We gave away 2 top 10 prospects for him.

So to get Quintana, that would essentially be giving up 5 prospects for a starting Pitcher. Which no one in their right mind would do.

Face it, we aren't getting a legitimate starter anytime soon. I think sadly, Williams is our best bet. Perhaps the shopping of Cutch was to try to get some prospects or a Pitcher to make up for that deal. Who knows.

They will be lucky to finish 4th in the division this year.

I just pray Cutch is batting 300plus a nice HR count at the trade deadline.
He could have metrics into the 900s and WAR off the chart but you can bet this Nutting ain't paying him the type of money he is pegged to get the next couple years. No way...


They'll dump him it's just a matter of not what we get in terms of talent but what we give up to make it happen.

 

[pittdan77]

Bridge year.

Again.

 

[paulbl99]

Bridge year.

Again.

Hopefully not s bridge to nowhere bridge like last.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

And they will do anything , get rid of anybody to dump Cutch along with whatever's in the stable if it comes to that.
Cause that's what Nutting does.

That's fine, they should have done it last year. Look, sometimes making trades or "dumps" of veterans make sense. It is when you trade Liriano for a stiff, and have to include two prospects in the trade to take Liriano's salary that burns me. It is not resigning JA Happ to a rather team friendly/market friendly contract, and then think Ryan Vogelsong can fill his role.

Some trades make sense, and if they traded McCutcheon before he started to fade and got a couple of good prospects, then that would at least make sense. For them to now try and trade him while his value continues to go down reeks of having to include prospects for the other team to take on salary.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

The Salary Dump ( I mean trade) to get Hutchison still ticks me off. We gave away 2 top 10 prospects for him.

So to get Quintana, that would essentially be giving up 5 prospects for a starting Pitcher. Which no one in their right mind would do.

Face it, we aren't getting a legitimate starter anytime soon. I think sadly, Williams is our best bet. Perhaps the shopping of Cutch was to try to get some prospects or a Pitcher to make up for that deal. Who knows.

They will be lucky to finish 4th in the division this year.

Well to be fair, the two prospects they gave up in the Liriano trade wouldn't even budge a Quintana trade. What would? Glasnow (at least in the offseason) and either Bell or Meadows plus probably another top pitching prospect like Keller.

However, what does Quintana give you? He has 4 more years on a contract that is less than what you pay Frankie Cervelli. He is only 27. Cole is 26.

And so say the Pirates go for it this year and next, then start to drop off..........so you can still trade Quintana and/or Cole and/or Marte and start restocking/rebuilding your franchise.

All the Pirates apparently want to do is keep payroll low enough, and keep the team decent enough to win 81 games or more....that's it. If things go lucky, maybe have a 90 win and wild card season. That's it.

Because when you have a 98 win team with your core players in or approaching their primes and you substract from it.....you aren't interested in winning.

 

[Pittx9]

I'd expect to see Kingham get his shot as well if he can ever stay healthy. He might never be much better than a 4th or 5th guy but he does still seem to have potential.

Yeah I'd hope to see him at at least AAA when he returns. After that I'd hope he is the next guy in line to be called up. May be the forgotten guy at this point in time but he's definitely a prospect deserving of given an opportunity.

 

[PantherO]

I get your point. Maybe a psychological thing, but it is still 5 prospects gone for 1 pitcher. I would have loved to have gotten Quintana. I don't know who all they wanted...I heard 3 and 1 was definitely Meadows. Which the only way the Pirates will play him is when Cutch is gone.

And, now that I think about it, they could always trade Quintana if he was having a great year and somebody offered a nice stock of players on need. Preferably at least 1 with power.

Well to be fair, the two prospects they gave up in the Liriano trade wouldn't even budge a Quintana trade. What would? Glasnow (at least in the offseason) and either Bell or Meadows plus probably another top pitching prospect like Keller.

However, what does Quintana give you? He has 4 more years on a contract that is less than what you pay Frankie Cervelli. He is only 27. Cole is 26.

And so say the Pirates go for it this year and next, then start to drop off..........so you can still trade Quintana and/or Cole and/or Marte and start restocking/rebuilding your franchise.

All the Pirates apparently want to do is keep payroll low enough, and keep the team decent enough to win 81 games or more....that's it. If things go lucky, maybe have a 90 win and wild card season. That's it.

Because when you have a 98 win team with your core players in or approaching their primes and you substract from it.....you aren't interested in winning.

 

[h2p_5150]

Well to be fair, the two prospects they gave up in the Liriano trade wouldn't even budge a Quintana trade. What would? Glasnow (at least in the offseason) and either Bell or Meadows plus probably another top pitching prospect like Keller.

However, what does Quintana give you? He has 4 more years on a contract that is less than what you pay Frankie Cervelli. He is only 27. Cole is 26.

And so say the Pirates go for it this year and next, then start to drop off..........so you can still trade Quintana and/or Cole and/or Marte and start restocking/rebuilding your franchise.

All the Pirates apparently want to do is keep payroll low enough, and keep the team decent enough to win 81 games or more....that's it. If things go lucky, maybe have a 90 win and wild card season. That's it.

Because when you have a 98 win team with your core players in or approaching their primes and you substract from it.....you aren't interested in winning.

With the second wild card there now, unless you really suck, you can stay in contention most of the summer. I think their whole plan is to be close enough to the WC so that fans will buy tickets in the "pennant chase" and if they just happen to sneak in, well that's great! If not, meh, no problem trading guys away when we're a few games back at the deadline.

 

[Panther Holla]

Under the convenient cover of the Penguins' playoff run, the Pittsburgh Pirates quietly slip into another "bridge" year. Right on schedule.

 

[Delpanther]

Under the convenient cover of the Penguins' playoff run, the Pittsburgh Pirates quietly slip into another "bridge" year. Right on schedule.

The bridge to nowhere.... the Jig's up, Nutsack and you've been "outed."