OT - Waiver denied

[LeftCoastPanther]

The NCAA denies a waiver for an O-lineman heading to Virginia Tech. I love how he takes a shot at Justin Fields and Tate Martell.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...n-transferring-to-be-closer-to-ailing-mother/

 

[PittAU]

Bastards. That's total BS.

 

[DiehardPanther]

The NCAA is ridiculous.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

I wonder if he had transferred to Wake Forest, if he would be allowed to play this season?

 

[thom67]

Maybe it was denied because VT is not that much closer to his ailing mother. Costal Carolina is only 3-4 hour drive from Statesville while VT is a 2 hour drive. He should have transferred to UNC Charlotte.

 

[Mikefln]

Wish I could say I am surprised by the NCAA but unfortunately I cannot.

 

[anon_d97v9o3a8b6xr]

Hey, UNC gives free class grades with zero attendance and zero actual work. But nothing the NCAA should be concerned with.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Why exactly did the NCAA grant Martell a waiver? I didn’t realize Las Vegas was 100 miles away from Miami.

 

[McKee Place]

Eh. You either have to hate this org for its toadying to the big programs, or grudgingly respect that it unapologetically rewards its meal tickets.

(And quite the slap in the face for VT in that regard, no? Even we were allowed to have Mack play immediately last year, and we GOTTA deserve to be below VT in the NCAA pecking order)

But, speaking as a fan of an annual opponent of VT... the poster who offered up that the guy should have considered UNC Charlotte or another closer (non-Pitt opponent) also resonated with me. I dunno how good a dude from Coastal freaking Carolina is, but who needs the risk of him bulldozing one of our guys next fall

 

[FireballZ]

Why exactly did the NCAA grant Martell a waiver? I didn’t realize Las Vegas was 100 miles away from Miami.

Someone on the basketball team must have called him a cracker.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Transfers are bad for the sport's paying customer so from a customer's standpoint, I agree with the NCAA. However, from a human standpoint, I think all kids should be able to transfer and play immediately.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Just ridiculous. VT now understands they are not on Miami's level.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Just ridiculous. VT now understands they are not on Miami's level.

I still dont understand the reasoning for the Martell waiver. Was it really because his HC left?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I still dont understand the reasoning for the Martell waiver. Was it really because his HC left?

Was he the one that heard a racial slur and claimed he was offended? One of these guys heard a bad word and used it as a way to get a waiver.

In this day and age, well played.

 

[FireballZ]

Was he the one that heard a racial slur and claimed he was offended? One of these guys heard a bad word and used it as a way to get a waiver.

In this day and age, well played.

No - that was Fields who transferred to OSU after a baseball player was racial towards him, hence my above joke. Martell then transferred from OSU because he'd have to compete and likely lose out.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

No - that was Fields who transferred to OSU after a baseball player was racial towards him, hence my above joke. Martell then transferred from OSU because he'd have to compete and likely lose out.

A college kid told a racial joke. Man, I’m just glad everyone lived thru this.

Thoughts and prayers to all involved.

 

[Pitt1992]

Unless ur a big time school NCAA doesn’t care about you

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

A college kid told a racial joke. Man, I’m just glad everyone lived thru this.

Thoughts and prayers to all involved.

I mean that's not why he transferred but it's a good excuse to use. Kinda hard for the NCAA to say no to that. As for Martell, I still dont really understand. Maybe he got a nasty email or tweet and it made him feel unsafe. I mean I'm just throwing stuff out there

 

[BFo8]

I mean that's not why he transferred but it's a good excuse to use. Kinda hard for the NCAA to say no to that. As for Martell, I still dont really understand. Maybe he got a nasty email or tweet and it made him feel unsafe. I mean I'm just throwing stuff out there

Not sure if it’s the entire story, but a family member of his told local Vegas media that had Meyer remained as coach Martell would’ve stayed at OSU.

 

[pittdan77]

I still dont understand the reasoning for the Martell waiver. Was it really because his HC left?

Martell used the coaching staff change. There were a lot of comments that "things had happened" and were left vague. Guessing the kid might have been ready to air some dirty laundry and the NCAA couldn't afford to have to let OSU off the hook again. That's completely speculative, of course.

Transfers are bad for the sport's paying customer so from a customer's standpoint

I don't understand that comment. If you're a "paying customer" don't you want to see the best talent on the field? Otherwise, you have big schools stockpiling talent and limiting the potential of good football players. I'd venture to guess the sponsors and TV networks agree and that's probably why it's become a big thing. Personally, I don't have a problem with transfers but I believe it is in the NCAA's best interest to keep it from turning into a free-for-all.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

transfers are not bad for the paying customer, it's fantastic actually. the idea that it favors the elite schools has been proven false. If anything, these elite programs are no longer stockpiling talent, back up players are leaving to play at lower level programs..

its a redistribution of talent which is great for college football fans. If it favored big time programs, the coaches of these programs wouldn't be fighting the ruling, which they are..

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

transfers are not bad for the paying customer, it's fantastic actually. the idea that it favors the elite schools has been proven false. If anything, these elite programs are no longer stockpiling talent, back up players are leaving to play at lower level programs..

its a redistribution of talent which is great for college football fans. If it favored big time programs, the coaches of these programs wouldn't be fighting the ruling, which they are..

Let's say Kenny Pickett had a fantastic year and OSU needed a QB. Pickett would transfer to OSU and we may get their backup QB. That is generally how this would work and if Pitt became a farm system for bigger programs, I would be done. At least now, Pitt is on a theoretical even playing field. I mean I know it's not even but we can dream that 2 star player can become a superstar and lead us to greatness. But now if he does, he will just transfer. That is bad for the bottom 105 teams or whatever and will turn fans away

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Let's say Kenny Pickett had a fantastic year and OSU needed a QB. Pickett would transfer to OSU and we may get their backup QB. That is generally how this would work and if Pitt became a farm system for bigger programs, I would be done. At least now, Pitt is on a theoretical even playing field. I mean I know it's not even but we can dream that 2 star player can become a superstar and lead us to greatness. But now if he does, he will just transfer. That is bad for the bottom 105 teams or whatever and will turn fans away

yes, you guys keep giving me these scenarios, Kenny pickett and Maurice Ffrench having good year and leaving us to go play at Bama. I've heard these fictional scenarios from you before.. It's silly..

sometimes a good player leaves Kent state to go play at PItt, sometimes an OL will leave Rutgers and go to Tosu, I get it but a heck of a lot more times backup players and older players are leaving top 10 programs cause they have been recruited over and they'd rather play than sit.. This is a good thing.

College football fans don't want to see Georgia have 4 really really good QBs, 3 of which will never play. College football fans don't want to see Alabama have 85 highly recruited players, 50 of which wont play. Alabama fans want this, Saban wants this but it's not good for the college football fanbase..

Give these kids an opportunity to play. These rules benefit the athletes. There is a reason all the coaches from Big schools are mad.. Kenny Pickett isn't transferring to Ohio State, it's not happening. Don't worry about Kenny Pickett leaving us for Ohio State..

 

[pittdan77]

Let's say Kenny Pickett had a fantastic year and OSU needed a QB. Pickett would transfer to OSU and we may get their backup QB. That is generally how this would work and if Pitt became a farm system for bigger programs, I would be done. At least now, Pitt is on a theoretical even playing field. I mean I know it's not even but we can dream that 2 star player can become a superstar and lead us to greatness. But now if he does, he will just transfer. That is bad for the bottom 105 teams or whatever and will turn fans away

There is little to no chance that happens unless there is a major disruption to the program (sanctions, major coaching change). The risk is too great. If Pickett suddenly became a superstar last year, why would he want to go learn a new offense and put himself under added pressure? Do you really see any of these guys that are leaving saying that life was good but it could be better? Who are the superstars that are championship shopping?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

There is little to no chance that happens unless there is a major disruption to the program (sanctions, major coaching change). The risk is too great. If Pickett suddenly became a superstar last year, why would he want to go learn a new offense and put himself under added pressure? Do you really see any of these guys that are leaving saying that life was good but it could be better? Who are the superstars that are championship shopping?

this notion that all of D1 will become a farm system for ohio state, alabama and Georgia is dumb, false and I don't even know why sensible posters still believe this..

Kenny Pickett is leaving us to go play at Tosu. go tell this to an ohio state fan and see how hard he/she laughs in your face.. seriously, go tell them this. guy threw for 8 yards in a game and we are worried about him leaving us to go play at ohio state..

 

[pittdan77]

sometimes a good player leaves Kent state to go play at PItt, sometimes an OL will leave Rutgers and go to Tosu, I get it but a heck of a lot more times backup players and older players are leaving top 10 programs cause they have been recruited over and they'd rather play than sit.. This is a good thing.

The Kent kid and the Rutgers kid are grad transfers. The Rutgers kid probably won't even start. That's a different conversation. Coaching staffs make a choice to RS a kid to keep an extra year of eligibility in their back pocket. If it burns them because a kid graduates, it's on them for not giving the kid a good reason to stay.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

yes, you guys keep giving me these scenarios, Kenny pickett and Maurice Ffrench having good year and leaving us to go play at Bama. I've heard these fictional scenarios from you before.. It's silly..

sometimes a good player leaves Kent state to go play at PItt, sometimes an OL will leave Rutgers and go to Tosu, I get it but a heck of a lot more times backup players and older players are leaving top 10 programs cause they have been recruited over and they'd rather play than sit.. This is a good thing.

College football fans don't want to see Georgia have 4 really really good QBs, 3 of which will never play. College football fans don't want to see Alabama have 85 highly recruited players, 50 of which wont play. Alabama fans want this, Saban wants this but it's not good for the college football fanbase..

Give these kids an opportunity to play. These rules benefit the athletes. There is a reason all the coaches from Big schools are mad.. Kenny Pickett isn't transferring to Ohio State, it's not happening. Don't worry about Kenny Pickett leaving us for Ohio State..

First of all, the Pickett thing was hypothetical. I even said if he had a fantastic season. Not even him specifically but let's say we have a true sophomore who is a 1st Team AA-caliber type player. Why would they stay at Pitt? They would be off to 1 of maybe 10 schools. And while yes, 2nd and 3rd stringers may leave Alabama and Georgia and come to schools like Pitt, you are forgetting that college football is an oligarchy with only 8-10 major programs so the 2nd and 3rd stringers from those programs would have 40-50 other "Pitt-like" schools to choose from so it would even be difficult for Pitt to attract this redistributed talent. What is more likely to happen is this:

Super duper Pitt QB transfers to Ohio State

Backup OSU QB transfers to Miami

Backup Miami QB transfers to Pitt

Backup Pitt QB transfers to Kent State

Who is the loser in this scenario?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

First of all, the Pickett thing was hypothetical. I even said if he had a fantastic season. Not even him specifically but let's say we have a true sophomore who is a 1st Team AA-caliber type player. Why would they stay at Pitt? They would be off to 1 of maybe 10 schools. And while yes, 2nd and 3rd stringers may leave Alabama and Georgia and come to schools like Pitt, you are forgetting that college football is an oligarchy with only 8-10 major programs so the 2nd and 3rd stringers from those programs would have 40-50 other "Pitt-like" schools to choose from so it would even be difficult for Pitt to attract this redistributed talent. What is more likely to happen is this:

Super duper Pitt QB transfers to Ohio State

Backup OSU QB transfers to Miami

Backup Miami QB transfers to Pitt

Backup Pitt QB transfers to Kent State

Who is the loser in this scenario?

any argument against this is always these ridiculous mythical scenarios.. First off all, tosu and alabama don't have unlimited spots to take every sophomore across the country who has a fantastic season.. You act like these schools have unlimited scholarships and anyone from a D1 school who has a great year will want to leave and go to tosu..

And why the assumption that someone for pitt or a decent P5 program will want to leave just because they have great seasons. So our player has a great year, he'll want to leave to go play in Columbus or the SEC? Why is this an automatic? I don't get it. If a player does want to leave it's because he doesn't like his current situation and that's on him, or the coach..

This idea that any D1 player who has a great year not only will automatically want to leave but will go to tosu or alabama who has space for them and guaranteed starting spot waiting for them is flat out dumb.

Let me break the news to you. Ohio State doesn't need our breakout sophomore players. they do OK without taking our players. Their roster is pretty good, they don't need to poach underclassmen from our program..

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

If a coach for a P5 school is continually losing his better players to a top P5 program, that falls on the coach, not the system. It hasn't happened nor will it but in this doomsday scenario where it happens, where Pickett goes to Columbus, then point the finger at the coach..

 

[Pittski]

First of all, the Pickett thing was hypothetical. I even said if he had a fantastic season. Not even him specifically but let's say we have a true sophomore who is a 1st Team AA-caliber type player. Why would they stay at Pitt? They would be off to 1 of maybe 10 schools. And while yes, 2nd and 3rd stringers may leave Alabama and Georgia and come to schools like Pitt, you are forgetting that college football is an oligarchy with only 8-10 major programs so the 2nd and 3rd stringers from those programs would have 40-50 other "Pitt-like" schools to choose from so it would even be difficult for Pitt to attract this redistributed talent. What is more likely to happen is this:

Super duper Pitt QB transfers to Ohio State

Backup OSU QB transfers to Miami

Backup Miami QB transfers to Pitt

Backup Pitt QB transfers to Kent State

Who is the loser in this scenario?

Respectfully, you have a totally flawed premise. You’ve presumed that if Kenny has a great year at Pitt (read those words) and OSU or Bama need a QB his instinct might be to transfer? We could be talking any position or player, it makes no difference.

1) He would be leaving a team that HE just led, had success w/, is familiar w/ and an offense he knows and is expected to run to play at OSU??? What???

2) I believe a coaching change OR graduation need occur to prevent having to sit a year.

3) The players who look for those opportunities aren’t the successful starters they’re the talented back ups blocked by an entrenched starter. Aka, Jalen Hurd, Joe Burrows, Nate Peterman, etc.

Kids have been getting the short end of the stick in college athletics since it started. Coaches can break contracts, abandon teams and even walk away from infractions but god forbid a student athlete want a better chance or new environment.

The idea that ANY school would become a “feeder” is absurd. If they’re THAT good at identifying talent and signing it, they’re probably winning a few games. Alex Gellerstadt leaves PSU as a fifth year SR 3rd string tackle and enters UVA as a stop gap contributor. You tell me, who really loses there?

 

[Pittski]

any argument against this is always these ridiculous mythical scenarios.. First off all, tosu and alabama don't have unlimited spots to take every sophomore across the country who has a fantastic season.. You act like these schools have unlimited scholarships and anyone from a D1 school who has a great year will want to leave and go to tosu..

And why the assumption that someone for pitt or a decent P5 program will want to leave just because they have great seasons. So our player has a great year, he'll want to leave to go play in Columbus or the SEC? Why is this an automatic? I don't get it. If a player does want to leave it's because he doesn't like his current situation and that's on him, or the coach..

This idea that any D1 player who has a great year not only will automatically want to leave but will go to tosu or alabama who has space for them and guaranteed starting spot waiting for them is flat out dumb.

Let me break the news to you. Ohio State doesn't need our breakout sophomore players. they do OK without taking our players. Their roster is pretty good, they don't need to poach underclassmen from our program..

Please, let him be right... I’d love it if OSU were suddenly covetous of our players. Haha. I don’t think people realize, the coaches at other schools can’t just recruit these kids the same as a HS player. It’s a lot of back channel and there’s enough guys out there looking for an opportunity. Unless you’re in the doghouse 24/7 or a grad transfer on a team going no where, no starter whose having success is just transferring out of his starting position.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Please, let him be right... I’d love it if OSU were suddenly covetous of our players. Haha. I don’t think people realize, the coaches at other schools can’t just recruit these kids the same as a HS player. It’s a lot of back channel and there’s enough guys out there looking for an opportunity. Unless you’re in the doghouse 24/7 or a grad transfer on a team going no where, no starter whose having success is just transferring out of his starting position.

there are so many flaws to this "Feeder" theory that I cant believe we are having this discussion..

I could possibly, POSSIBLY see a low level, non P5 team having this fear. they finally get a good caliber player and that kid wants to go play P5 football his SR year. I mean, I at least understand that fear even though that is still not very likely to turn into a trend..

Pitt fans thinking our good players are all gonna go play for tosu if they have a good year is silly though. I mean we got Priestley, the bald white RB (Forget his name), durham from tosu, we got Miree from Bama. If anything, the top programs will hurt from this. they will lose depth players, which wont really hurt them but you get my point..

 

[Pittski]

there are so many flaws to this "Feeder" theory that I cant believe we are having this discussion..

I could possibly, POSSIBLY see a low level, non P5 team having this fear. they finally get a good caliber player and that kid wants to go play P5 football his SR year. I mean, I at least understand that fear even though that is still not very likely to turn into a trend..

Pitt fans thinking our good players are all gonna go play for tosu if they have a good year is silly though. I mean we got Priestley, the bald white RB (Forget his name), durham from tosu, we got Miree from Bama. If anything, the top programs will hurt from this. they will lose depth players, which wont really hurt them but you get my point..

Nick Goings!

 

[pittdan77]

First of all, the Pickett thing was hypothetical. I even said if he had a fantastic season. Not even him specifically but let's say we have a true sophomore who is a 1st Team AA-caliber type player. Why would they stay at Pitt? They would be off to 1 of maybe 10 schools. And while yes, 2nd and 3rd stringers may leave Alabama and Georgia and come to schools like Pitt, you are forgetting that college football is an oligarchy with only 8-10 major programs so the 2nd and 3rd stringers from those programs would have 40-50 other "Pitt-like" schools to choose from so it would even be difficult for Pitt to attract this redistributed talent. What is more likely to happen is this:

Super duper Pitt QB transfers to Ohio State

Backup OSU QB transfers to Miami

Backup Miami QB transfers to Pitt

Backup Pitt QB transfers to Kent State

Who is the loser in this scenario?

You understand that with all of the hyper good recruiting classes that the "college football oligarchy" are having, it's more likely to work the opposite of what you're suggesting? As we've seen, those programs are more likely to lose great players because they're just too rich with talent.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Let's say Kenny Pickett had a fantastic year and OSU needed a QB. Pickett would transfer to OSU and we may get their backup QB. That is generally how this would work and if Pitt became a farm system for bigger programs, I would be done. At least now, Pitt is on a theoretical even playing field. I mean I know it's not even but we can dream that 2 star player can become a superstar and lead us to greatness. But now if he does, he will just transfer. That is bad for the bottom 105 teams or whatever and will turn fans away

If Kenny Pickett has a fantastic year, Pitt likely has a pretty good season. Why do you assume he would transfer if he could?

 

[RaleighPittFan]

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...ices-of-top-lawyer-thomas-mars-to-fight-ncaa/

 

[revampedpanthers]

Transfers are bad for the sport's paying customer so from a customer's standpoint, I agree with the NCAA. However, from a human standpoint, I think all kids should be able to transfer and play immediately.

I don't like the turnover if kids were able to go anywhere anytime. I think kids should be able to move but have to sit a year in almost all circumstances. They should however get that year back, so if a kid has sat two years and is a RS SO and transfers he should be a RS SO when he can play.

 

[McKee Place]

If Kenny Pickett has a fantastic year, Pitt likely has a pretty good season. Why do you assume he would transfer if he could?

Here's a scenario that basically did happen, other than eligibility running out. 2016. Nate Peterman. He and the Pitt offense had a tremendous season (but the team overall was let down by a horrid defense). Still, NP emerged from obscurity to a QB to be watched, but not yet an elite one. One more outstanding college season might truly have made him a top 10 candidate (aka mega riches) ... BUT ... it was likely that great season would not have happened with OUR team, at least not the one we were set to have in 2017. We were set to lose other key players, and our defense was still going to be rubbish.

If NP had one last year of eligibility, he would definitely had been better served personally to transfer to a blue blood that needed a transition guy for one year.