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Yeah, time for a change. We couldn’t defend Ball State in the paint - why, because we don’t have a center. Well, we do, but she’s 6-feet tall…
And we must lead the nation in rushed, awkward, off-balanced shots…. Maddening.
I thought we had better players on the bench than in the game…
Go Pitt.
And we must lead the nation in rushed, awkward, off-balanced shots…. Maddening.
I thought we had better players on the bench than in the game…
Go Pitt.
This is year five. It doesn't take that long to build a competitive basketball program. It is over.
| Season | Team | Overall | Conference | Standing | Postseason |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Pittsburgh Panthers (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2018–present) | |||||
| 2018–19 | Pittsburgh | 11–20 | 2–14 | 14th | |
| 2019–20 | Pittsburgh | 5–26 | 1–17 | 15th | |
| 2020–21 | Pittsburgh | 5–14 | 3–12 | 12th | |
| 2021–22 | Pittsburgh | 11–19 | 2–16 | T-14th | |
| 2021–22 | Pittsburgh | 6–4 | |||
| Pittsburgh: | 38–83 (.314) | 8–59 (.119) | |||
| Total: | 38–83 (.314) |
5 years is plenty of time to at least make the NIT. Those results are atrocious.
I still can't figure out what that defense that they keep playing is supposed to accomplish. Last game it looked almost like a 1-1-1-2 bastardization of a 2-1-2. Today it looked like we were keeping the center back deeper, so instead of a 2-3 it was more like a 1-1-3. And all that does is give up wide open threes by the bushel basketful. It's like the strategy is sure, we're going to give you a lot of wide open threes, but there's no way your going to make them. We have someone run out to the line to guard the shooter, and as soon as they pass the ball we drop all the way back to the foul line or below, so that a pass or two later when the ball comes back to the same shooter in the exact same spot they are wide open.
If we play defense this way against good three point shooting teams (for the record, I have no idea how good Ball State has been at shooting them this year so far) they are going to absolutely destroy that defense.
If we play defense this way against good three point shooting teams (for the record, I have no idea how good Ball State has been at shooting them this year so far) they are going to absolutely destroy that defense.
On a day when we shot 1-15 from three, Gabby Hutcherson, 40% from three so far this season, played 8 minutes (partly due to first half foul trouble), Avery Strickland, 34.4% from three, played 9 minutes, Aislin Malcolm, 44.0% from three, did not play, and Destiny Strother, 40.0% from three, played 2 minutes (two stints of about one minute in each half).
In the second half, when Maliyah Johnson made Pitt's only three of the game, on the next possession on sort of a secondary break, Johnson is wide open at the exact same spot on the court. Pass her the ball, maybe she hits another, get her some confidence. Instead Emy Hayford, 1-5 from three on the season at that moment, decided that she should be the one taking the three.
Of course she missed.
The other thing that I'll bitch about (for now) is that in the first four minutes of the game we jump out to a 12-2 lead. Ball has to call timeout. And because we haven't made any substitutions yet and it's almost four full minutes into the game we do a line change and switch out four players.
The next time we scored it was just over a minute into the second quarter and we were losing by four. I know we like to sub and sub and sub some more (John Thompson on the "subbiest" day of his life had nothing on Lance White), but you know sometimes when things are going really well, instead of making changes just to change things how about keep rolling with what is working?
The next time we scored it was just over a minute into the second quarter and we were losing by four. I know we like to sub and sub and sub some more (John Thompson on the "subbiest" day of his life had nothing on Lance White), but you know sometimes when things are going really well, instead of making changes just to change things how about keep rolling with what is working?
I think if you play Emy Hayford as many minutes as she played today, you’re likely going to lose. Yes she’ll get some rebounds and yes she’ll get a couple assists, but not enough to overcome the turnovers and poor decision-making, and limited offense…
Go Pitt.
Go Pitt.
She's a point guard that after today has 21 assists and 19 turnovers on the season. For a point guard, that is awful.
White seems like a solid guy and it brings me no pleasure to say this…but I think we’ll be looking for one new basketball coach this offseason.
Hopefully they look more in the direction of a HC with established experience as a head coach. This is the attendant risk in hiring an assistant at a successful program - sometimes it just doesn’t translate. We’ve seen almost every other ladies’ sport at Pitt be pretty successful at selling Pitt out of the portal, so I think this is a program that can be turned around pretty quickly, and the upgrades that the school has made at the behest of the men’s side has benefits to the women, too.
Hopefully they look more in the direction of a HC with established experience as a head coach. This is the attendant risk in hiring an assistant at a successful program - sometimes it just doesn’t translate. We’ve seen almost every other ladies’ sport at Pitt be pretty successful at selling Pitt out of the portal, so I think this is a program that can be turned around pretty quickly, and the upgrades that the school has made at the behest of the men’s side has benefits to the women, too.
That's too bad for her. I
had been posting about
her improved play. 21/19
ratio is awful for a pg. I
didn't see the game ( I
was at the Barclay Ctr
in Brooklyn). I'll try and
give the replay a look.
Ball State's record is
not that bad, but ND
hammered them by 35.
Unrelated comment.......
SMF must be on suicide
watch, had me laughing
last night.
With respect to White, it is a matter of when not if. And sadly, the new boss will be the same as the old boss.
If Suzie could not elevate this program from the dead, hope for me at least went out the window.
Hire the right coach and
it will get done at Pitt.
Maybe Pitt should look
to Eastern PA.
Dawn Staley, Philly native.
Pro, Olympics, coached at
Temple and now S.C. NCAA
appearances and a national
championship. etc etc.
Gino Auriemma, Reading Pa.
West Chester U, At UCONN
with Firnal Fours, national
championships, etc etc.
Muffet McGraw, Pottsville,
Pa. St. Joseph's U. Pro,
Notre Dame, NCAA
championships, Final Fours,
etc. etc.
Of course it doesn't have
to be eastern Pa, but the
point is...they're out there.
Some of em right here in
Pa. Imagine if someone
at Pitt had the foresight
to go after Staley when
she was ar Temple.
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I didn't expect Suzie to do much more. Wasn't surprised how that ended.
Great coaches are rare and everyone is looking for one.
It is 95% about getting the right coach.
Please no. If we are going to hire an A10 coach can it at least be a really good one?
And for the record, I have no idea if there are any really good A10 women's basketball coaches. But I do know that if there is, it isn't Dan Burt.
I'll take your word on
Burt, since I know nothing
about him. As for a good
A-10 coach I don't know
enough about that league
in womens Bball. I posted
above about three Pa
coaches who are Hall of
Fame types. Of course we
know they're not available,
but earlier, way earlier,
they may have been. The
trick is to find that coach.
When you hire as assistant
for a heead coaching job,
there's no indication or
tangible evidence about
how good they are at
running a program. White
is proving that to be true.
Hiring him was a crapshoot.
Suzie certainly had the credentials, but she seemed to struggle with the “coaching” and with maintaining a strong team culture. Seemed our best player would transfer out each year. To my memory, Suzie had one good year and that was with the inherited Brianna Kiesel as an excellent senior PG and the fortunate circumstance to come across Monica Wignot, the very good graduate VB player…
Go Pitt.
Suzie checked off all the boxes and met the definition of a splash hire. My expectation was that she could at least get the program off the ground and be somewhat competitive. Didn't happen and it was very disappointing to see her fail.
I don't follow the lady's team as closely as some others on the board, but my God they describe some really, really bad performances. It seems that they somehow find new ways to raise the level of ineptitude.
I'm generally an optimistic fan, but so hard to be with this program. Let's see if we have the same discussion five years after White is shown the door.
Hire a good, young coach with something to prove. Someone who has won at a lower level and looking to move up the ladder.
Good lord Heather. Make the right call and fire the right coach! Extend white!!!
I was looking at Wikipedia and realized it left off the last 2.5 seasons of his coaching record. Yikes. Looks like he really fell off after Covid. I know he was pretty well regarded not too long ago.
I mean he's not awful, but if you can't win relatively consistently at a lower level what would make one think that you can win at a higher level? I don't have any problem with hiring a coach who is stepping up from a lower level, but if you do that you need to hire one who is at the top of that level, not one who is a little more than just another guy.
Pitt signs desperately needed height in Ontario player Hannah Mills-Watson. She has played on Ontario U17 team.
“Hannah is a strong, physical 6’4″ forward that runs the floor well,” said head coach Lance White. “She competes hard on both ends of the floor and has terrific touch around the basket. She is a hardworking, traditional post player who has developed so much in a short period of time.
Incoming class now has a 6-4 center, a 6-1 forward and a 5-7 PG.
Go Pitt.
“Hannah is a strong, physical 6’4″ forward that runs the floor well,” said head coach Lance White. “She competes hard on both ends of the floor and has terrific touch around the basket. She is a hardworking, traditional post player who has developed so much in a short period of time.
Incoming class now has a 6-4 center, a 6-1 forward and a 5-7 PG.
Go Pitt.
The only reason he's
even being discussed
on this board is because
he's coaching here in
Pittburgh and is from
Wstr'n Pa.
If this were any other
message board....New York,
Boston, wherever, he'd
be a total unknown.
A few responses to this
news.
1, It's about time he's
recruited some height.
2. His descriptions of
these players are very
typical of what ALL
coaches say about their
recruits.
3. Will he even be here to
coach them? His team is
about to start ACC play.
The mens side of this
league may be weak this
year, but the womens
side is loaded.
That is correct. If Pitt fires White at the end of the season and hires the Atlanta version or the Chicago version of Dan Burt the few people who care would be up in arms over such a poor hire.
And he has lost to Pitt the last 2 years. Not exactly a sign of him being an improvement.
Pitt should not pay 1 cent of a buyout for White. Its a non-revenue sport. Let him coach out his contract then move on.
True, and your post
supports what I've
been saying about this
Pitt team (as a matter
of fact, same for the
men's team). We're at
an A-10 level. Both of
our teams would
compete well in the
A-10 (towards the top
of the league in fact).
Duquesne is a mid
A-10 team. They were
last year, and more than
likely will be again this yr.
So....Coach Bart a potential
Pitt head coach? Hardly!
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