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Papa “non Power 4” Kante

Maybe some of you guys should watch a kid play for more than 7 minutes before labeling them.

Did you seem him when he went to the FT line? The deep breaths every time. You could tell being in these moments meant the world to him. And he delivered. Excited to watch him grow.
He was enthused. Engaged. Intense. And besides that, he looks like he has strength, some decent athleticism and some solid skills. On both ends of the floor.

Knee surgery recoveries can take some time. Mentally as well as physically. Hoping that this is the start of some big things for Papa. He can be a real asset for Pitt if that’s the case.
 
Maybe some of you guys should watch a kid play for more than 7 minutes before labeling them.

Did you seem him when he went to the FT line? The deep breaths every time. You could tell being in these moments meant the world to him. And he delivered. Excited to watch him grow.

Vader replied to that comment in the other thread but I'll reply here.

First of all, I said "right now." I based that on the fact he wasnt getting much/any playing time against cupcakes. Based on that and the fact he seemed a little raw and wasnt as tall as I thought, I thought he was going to be more of your "traditional" freshman. Not play much as a frosh. Play a little a soph. Then take that big step as a junior.

I may end up being very wrong and hope I am. Today reminded me of Chevy announcing himself at Georgetown in 2002. Holy crap, that was 23 years ago!!!!
 
Vader replied to that comment in the other thread but I'll reply here.

First of all, I said "right now." I based that on the fact he wasnt getting much/any playing time against cupcakes. Based on that and the fact he seemed a little raw and wasnt as tall as I thought, I thought he was going to be more of your "traditional" freshman. Not play much as a frosh. Play a little a soph. Then take that big step as a junior.

I may end up being very wrong and hope I am. Today reminded me of Chevy announcing himself at Georgetown in 2002. Holy crap, that was 23 years ago!!!!
“As tall…” Vader preached wingspan and motor. That’s what we got. Mutliple saves. May not count as rebounds for him but he gave Pitt a handful of extra chances and allowed them to get back in it. Just like Amsal, will need to watch fouls.
 
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“As tall…” Vader preached wingspan and motor. That’s what we got. Mutliple saves. May not count as rebounds for him but he gave Pitt a handful of extra chances and allowed them to get back in it. Just like Amsal, will need to watch fouls.

Rebounding/Defense/finish around the rim. We dont have a guy like that. Corhen is probably an average rebounder and average defender while not really being a rim protector. Kante offers a different skillset. Both can be very useful.
 
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Maybe some of you guys should watch a kid play for more than 7 minutes before labeling them.

Did you seem him when he went to the FT line? The deep breaths every time. You could tell being in these moments meant the world to him. And he delivered. Excited to watch him grow.
lol, love pantherlair experts, they said he was a year away from adding any production, including jim hammett

the same posters that tell us how great G plays in post defense lol.

aged well.
 
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lol, love pantherlair experts, they said he was a year away from adding any production, including jim hammett

aged well.
Well who can blame them when coming back from an ACL while not having any P4 experience doesn’t exactly scream first year impact.

But what I want to know is who are the guys saying he’s not a P4 player? His offer sheet was long and he was a Michigan player before falling into our lap.
 
Well who can blame them when coming back from an ACL while not having any P4 experience doesn’t exactly scream first year impact.

But what I want to know is who are the guys saying he’s not a P4 player? His offer sheet was long and he was a Michigan player before falling into our lap.
every time you guys write off a player on here, i should bet my mortgage that they will have a career day tomorrow.
 
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every time you guys write off a player on here, i should bet my mortgage that they will have a career day tomorrow.
“You guys”? Lol. Not me. I have to be the most patient and forgiving person on these boards and you can research every Capel, Wannamaker, Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett thread as a frame of reference.

By the way, above I wondered and asked who the heck proclaimed Papa as not being a P4 player…and I since then saw it was SMF in another thread. I should have known. Lol.
 
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“You guys”? Lol. Not me. I have to be the most patient and forgiving person on these boards and you can research every Capel, Wannamaker, Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett thread as a frame of reference.

By the way, above I wondered and asked who the heck proclaimed Papa as not being a P4 player…and I since then saw it was SMF in another thread. I should have known. Lol.

I was being kind by not naming the usual suspects by name
 
“As tall…” Vader preached wingspan and motor. That’s what we got. Mutliple saves. May not count as rebounds for him but he gave Pitt a handful of extra chances and allowed them to get back in it. Just like Amsal, will need to watch fouls.
to the watch fouls list add Corhen, Ish, GDG, Cummings and Dunn upon return :)

yesterday Pitt overcame

after the first couple games GDG wasn't as horrible defensively but horrible returned a bit yesterday for him and he just doesn't add enough there when he also isn't hitting 3's and doesn't play with force

Amsel didn't quite take the step forward I thought was coming after that early 3 and looked a bit apprehensive wanting the ball at times

looking at that final play, Lowe is going to be defended hard and will need to dish again but his game is there everywhere else

Brandon was 1 of 1 on 3's and defended better I thought

Kante played every second with that FORCE Capel preaches and has skills, the fake pump to get the foul call underneath where he almost finished through contact looked great and almost got him the 2 plus 1, he can shoot FT's and has touch at the rim

H2P, GT would've been another great win at our house with a 2023 grad who loved his time there
 
Like Des Reid? lol.
he's averaging like 55 yards a game over the last 6 weeks, you guys jumped the gun on that one too. pumping him for the heisman in september was the epitome of spiking the ball before you reached the goal line.

but we'll save that for the football board for next year, i gave up on that team and am in basketball mode.
 
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he's averaging like 55 yards a game over the last 6 weeks, you guys jumped the gun on that one too. pumping him for the heisman in september was the epitome of spiking the ball before you reached the goal line.

but we'll save that for the football board for next year, i gave up on that team and am in basketball mode.
I have given up on them also. Having said that, the Heisman is over the top, but, the kid is a special player that would average well over 100 yards from scrimmage if he were on a team with a COLLEGE OFFENSIVE LINE and just one or two capable skill players around him.
 
he's averaging like 55 yards a game over the last 6 weeks, you guys jumped the gun on that one too. pumping him for the heisman in september was the epitome of spiking the ball before you reached the goal line.

but we'll save that for the football board for next year, i gave up on that team and am in basketball mode.
I mean, it’s actually 70 yards per game over the last 6 games at a respectable 4.75 ypc. That’s also ignoring his receiving yards. Sure, it ain’t heisman numbers. But you were out here acting like the dude didn’t belong at all.

But it’s okay. I get that you don’t want to admit that was an all time L and that you don’t know any more about player evaluation than the guys you think you’re dunking on here.
 
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I mean, it’s actually 70 yards per game over the last 6 games at a respectable 4.75 ypc. That’s also ignoring his receiving yards. Sure, it ain’t heisman numbers. But you were out here acting like the dude didn’t belong at all.

But it’s okay. I get that you don’t want to admit that was an all time L and that you don’t know any more about player evaluation than the guys you think you’re dunking on here.
im happy to discuss this and other football related topics on the football board around next july or august, the next time i will care about that team..

i am fine acknowledging it as i am one of the very few on here that can actually admit it unlike 99% of you guys who will either move the crossbars or change the topic. like someone else on here said, if any of us were good at evaluating talent, we wouldnt be on an anonymous message board..

again, reading the hoops forums recently, it wasnt two weeks ago that many posters on here said Kante wasnt going to produce this year and about the same things were said about Delalic. fast forward 48 hours and both are not only playing but producing. it was just comical how that aged so well..


it's ok to laugh at yourself, no one should take themselves so seriously. especially on a board like this where no one knows anyone..
 
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I'm just curious to know how many of you recall how awkwardly Steven Adams played in his early freshman games? And we all saw how that turned out. Give Kante a break AND a chance to show how good he is/can/will be. He had a bit of a coming out party yesterday and we all hope this sparks his development. He is a good kid; great teammate

H2P!
 
“You guys”? Lol. Not me. I have to be the most patient and forgiving person on these boards and you can research every Capel, Wannamaker, Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett thread as a frame of reference.

By the way, above I wondered and asked who the heck proclaimed Papa as not being a P4 player…and I since then saw it was SMF in another thread. I should have known. Lol.

Again. I said "right now," not that he wasnt ever going to be P4. Freshmen dont play much anymore because everyone gets those 23 year old MM transfers. I thought he'd be more of a traditional frosh who wouldn't play much and improve/develop every year.
 
I did say I was encouraged by his activity and mobility in his limited minutes coming off injury .
His pick and roll action was great
He’s a needed physical presence to pair with Cam.
GDG can only work based on matchups.
Always a good thing to have effective options. Pitt appears to have possibilities on the inside. Especially if Papa can continue to progress and improve.
 
I can honestly say I never posted anything negative about Kante, but then again, I never posted anything at all since it’s hard to do so about someone who’s essentially never played.

But rather than calling out anyone who did, I’m more curious about why it took this long to see him get any playing time of note in a game. Is his health that much different now than it was at the beginning of the season? And to think, if it wasn’t for big time foul trouble plus GDG getting whacked in the face yesterday, Kante would still be a guy with zero playing time of note.

Kante must have really kicked it up a notch yesterday vs what the coaches see every day in practice.
 
I can honestly say I never posted anything negative about Kante, but then again, I never posted anything at all since it’s hard to do so about someone who’s essentially never played.

But rather than calling out anyone who did, I’m more curious about why it took this long to see him get any playing time of note in a game. Is his health that much different now than it was at the beginning of the season? And to think, if it wasn’t for big time foul trouble plus GDG getting whacked in the face yesterday, Kante would still be a guy with zero playing time of note.

Kante must have really kicked it up a notch yesterday vs what the coaches see every day in practice.
He previously had two fouls and 3 turnovers in 17 mins of scrub time earlier. He showed flashes, but also raw. If you have five fouls against Wisky, they likely bank the free throws. Pitt lucked out after Kante’s second foul in that Ohio state missed both FT when up big. If thry make them to extend lead, possibly different outcome.
 
He previously had two fouls and 3 turnovers in 17 mins of scrub time earlier. He showed flashes, but also raw. If you have five fouls against Wisky, they likely bank the free throws. Pitt lucked out after Kante’s second foul in that Ohio state missed both FT when up big. If thry make them to extend lead, possibly different outcome.
Yeah that was my point, in 7 prior games he only played 17 minutes of scrub time. And your stats are different than what I see, which are only 1 foul and 1 turnover in those prior 17 minutes.

Edit: checked another source, two games each with 1 PF, one game with 1 TO and another with 2. Still not that alarming.
 
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There are times one can instantly see that a player has extraordinary skills or is in over his head , but in most cases unless you’re in the gym daily watching them you’re clueless as to a payer’s potential .
 
I don't remember who was negative, and frankly don't care. He was the spark that got them going the other night.

Hopefully he gets more meaningful PT and makes the most of it. He's still raw, but plays hard and seems physically able to handle himself. Good free throw shooting a huge plus.
 
I don't remember who was negative, and frankly don't care. He was the spark that got them going the other night.

Hopefully he gets more meaningful PT and makes the most of it. He's still raw, but plays hard and seems physically able to handle himself. Good free throw shooting a huge plus.
Obviously will take more of a sample size to get a better feel for what value Papa may be able to provide as soon as this season. And would also imagine the ongoing strength and conditioning as the knee hopefully continues to improve, ought to allow for more stamina, endurance and speed, quickness, jumping ability, etc..

But there were a couple of other instinctive/innate types of things he showed Friday. Feel for timing on the pick and roll was very good. Also his hands: caught the ball when it was thrown to him; had the hand strength to secure the rebounds he was able to grab.

Time will tell if he can be of consistent value. Have to believe he has at least earned more opportunities. Not expecting a 12 points/17 minutes scoring pace, that’s for sure. 😉 And he will definitely have to be able to play minutes and generate production in various areas (defense, rebounding on both ends, some scoring) while staying out of foul trouble. But he sure played a valuable part in the win vs the Buckeyes!
 
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some comment about Kante and Corhen and GDG each with their #4 and #5 designation and therefore not totally interchangeable

I don't see it and could see any combo of those 3 on the floor at the same time and at this point while their games are each very different, unless GDG starts shooting(and I expect he will) they will be subbed in along with JDG and Zack in that #4/5 mix
 
some comment about Kante and Corhen and GDG each with their #4 and #5 designation and therefore not totally interchangeable

I don't see it and could see any combo of those 3 on the floor at the same time and at this point while their games are each very different, unless GDG starts shooting(and I expect he will) they will be subbed in along with JDG and Zack in that #4/5 mix
IMHO, if Kante can continue to provide anything like what he did at tOSU then G D-G can become only a last resort at the 5-spot. G D-G, IMO, lacks both the physical strength and the requisite skill set to be effective at anything other than playing as a 3/4.

Depending on the opponent's front court size and quickness (or lack of one or both) Pitt has the luxury to be able to vary the front court anywhere from having 3 guys at 6-10 (or taller) on the floor together to having only one big and two wings. Kante's emergence as a viable 5 really enhances those options.

As I see the frontcourt depth-->

Kante = 5 only
Corhen = 4-5
G D-G = 4-3 (Emergency only 5)
J D-G = 3-4
Austin = 3-4
Delalic' = 3 only
Dunn = 3-2
 
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IMHO, if Kante can continue to provide anything like what he did at tOSU then G D-G can become only a last resort at the 5-spot. G D-G, IMO, lacks both the physical strength and the requisite skill set to be effective at anything other than playing as a 3/4.

Depending on the opponent's front court size and quickness (or lack of one or both) Pitt has the luxury to be able to vary the front court anywhere from having 3 guys at 6-10 (or taller) on the floor together to having only one big and two wings. Kante's emergence as a viable 5 really enhances those options.

As I see the frontcourt depth-->

Kante = 5 only
Corhen = 4-5
G D-G = 4-3 (Emergency only 5)
J D-G = 3-4
Austin = 3-4
Delalic' = 3 only
Dunn = 3-2
JDG is basically relegated to scrub time with emergence of Kante. GDG will pick up his shooting. Not a bad problem to have.
 
IMHO, if Kante can continue to provide anything like what he did at tOSU then G D-G can become only a last resort at the 5-spot. G D-G, IMO, lacks both the physical strength and the requisite skill set to be effective at anything other than playing as a 3/4.

Depending on the opponent's front court size and quickness (or lack of one or both) Pitt has the luxury to be able to vary the front court anywhere from having 3 guys at 6-10 (or taller) on the floor together to having only one big and two wings. Kante's emergence as a viable 5 really enhances those options.

As I see the frontcourt depth-->

Kante = 5 only
Corhen = 4-5
G D-G = 4-3 (Emergency only 5)
J D-G = 3-4
Austin = 3-4
Delalic' = 3 only
Dunn = 3-2
I don't see why you can't put Kante into that #4 role

maybe I don't get how the Pitt offense or defense operates with such specific roles for the #4 that Kante doesn't have the skills even if not experience to fill now or soon
 
I don't see why you can't put Kante into that #4 role

maybe I don't get how the Pitt offense or defense operates with such specific roles for the #4 that Kante doesn't have the skills even if not experience to fill now or soon
Well, both Corhen and G D-G can shoot jumpers so have game away from the basket. As far as I know, or have seen, Kante is strictly a score at, or near, the hoop guy. Generally, IMHO, you want a 4 to have some away from the hoop jump shooting skills.
 
Well, both Corhen and G D-G can shoot jumpers so have game away from the basket. As far as I know, or have seen, Kante is strictly a score at, or near, the hoop guy. Generally, IMHO, you want a 4 to have some away from the hoop jump shooting skills.
ok, gotcha

but looking at Kante's stroke, may now or soon be as good as Corhen's shot from midrange or further as it both looks and his current 25% from 3pt indicate and of course GDG not much better this year while history says should improve

looked up Corhen's stats last year at FSU and he attempted 2 3pt shots, this year so far already 4 but I expect him to not shoot any more and yet of course his midrange stuff at the elbow is going to happen, yet it looks like Kante could have that too

in looking, Zack moved up in 3pt% to 4th(.414) on the team to Dunn(.526)

JDG(.500) then Amsel(.417) 2nd and 3rd in very limited 3pt attempts
 
Yeah that was my point, in 7 prior games he only played 17 minutes of scrub time. And your stats are different than what I see, which are only 1 foul and 1 turnover in those prior 17 minutes.

Edit: checked another source, two games each with 1 PF, one game with 1 TO and another with 2. Still not that alarming.

Capel noted that he practiced much better this past week.
 
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