Paris Ford . Status update?

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  1. tetonpanther

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    We're supposed to hear something by 8/2 if one of the posters on this board is correct. All indications appear to be positive regarding his academic situation and ability to receive the NCAA's approval to join the team.
     
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    I think it's safe to say, when a decision is made one way or the other, we will all know. This wont be something that will slip under the radar, fall thru the cracks.. the second his eligibility fate is determined, we will all know soon after..
     
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    There have been players around the country that have been ruled ineligible for the year already, so my guess is that we should be finding out very soon about his status.
     
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    It is August 1st and he isn't eligible. I'd say all indications appear to be negative regarding his academic situation and ability to receive the NCAA's approval to join the team. Hopefully something changes and he is deemed eligible.
     
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    I'd have to agree but I hope you're wrong.
     
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    We have some insiders and Chris Dokiah said he will in all likelihood be eligible. Pat Narduzzi also pubkically stated he expects Ford to be on the roster. He will be available soon according to sources. It's a NCAA clearinghouse issue and it's a F up on their end. Guaranteed that Narduzzi is blowing up on them complaining. We need Ford starting from day one
     
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    Could be. I'm going off of nothing more than message board fodder and what has been posted elsewhere.
     
  9. Jpripper88

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    It definitely is not a clearinghouse issue when it is confirmed he was still attempting to do work to become eligible. That is a Paris Ford issue, not a clearinghouse issue.
     
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    Wait a minute...what does this mean? The story is he transferred a few times between different schools which impacted his total credits. An NCAA Clearinghouse issue is not having enough high school credits to be admitted into college. How is this a Paris Ford issue?
     
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    A clearinghouse issue would be if he had what he needed on the sliding scale, but a class was questioned. That would have been resolved already by the clearinghouse with a determination made. Him working all summer to either improve a grade or test score or entirely take a class for credit wouldn't be a clearinghouse issue, but would just be a matter of what the score/grade ended up being and where he was on the sliding scale. The clearinghouse would have no real involvement at that point, save confirming the results. As Ford was still studying for something just a couple weeks ago, it clearly is something which is on him to make up against his graduation or sliding scale and not something he is waiting on the clearinghouse to determine.

    This is a Paris Ford issue, not an NCAA Clearinghouse isse.
     
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    So is this article with statements taken from Narduzzi today at the first day of camp not accurate? http://www.pennlive.com/pittsburgh-panthers/2017/08/paris_ford_pitt_eligibility.html

    Currently, Ford is "waiting to qualify for first-year eligibility with the NCAA". This makes it sound like there is a clearinghouse issue. From some of the other reports, it sounds like a class was questioned due to his multiple transfers while in high school.
     
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    No, it is clear by that statement and information posted by Ford & Co. it is him having to get eligible and not an outstanding review of his credits. It is a Ford issue, not an NCAA Clearinghouse issue. He isn't currently eligible and it is on him to meet the minimum requirements, which he couldn't do in May/June.

    In fact, this is a direct quote from HCPN, which makes it clear it is he who has work to do, not the clearinghouse:
    "His family is taking care of him and giving him another opportunity to finish it out academically,” Narduzzi said. “We’ll wait and see. He’s got a plan. He’s got to work the plan and hopefully he gets it done."

    I think you are confusing when the clearinghouse would be involved. They can determine courses aren't approved and he could have to makeup those courses, but once they do that, it is still up to him to meet the minimums along the sliding scale by way of taking the proper courses. As of a couple weeks ago, he was still studying for coursework, so it is obviously a situation of him needing grades/courses to meet the eligibility standards, not waiting on the clearinghouse to approve courses already completed.

    These are entirely different scenarios. If it was a clearinghouse issue, at this late point, it would be even more troubling. Right now, it should only be about him getting the grades needed. If he can't do that, with everything on the line and all the help possible, it is unlikely he will ever make it.
     
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    The clearinghouse still has to sign off before he can play, right?
     
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    Along with the suspensions, and dismissed players, this is becoming ridiculous. Adults / posters speculating and hanging /sitting on the edge of they seat wondering whether a recruit can graduate HS and meet basic academic requirements to be a PITT student athlete?????????? It wont be long before you 're wondering what semester /season he'll be eligible.

    He had lots of time to get his act together for college football but I guess that wasnt on the top of his list????????????????

    This isnt difficult!

    Mrs Buffett owns a small media co., is a communications specialist and works as a volunteer with disadvantaged HS kids to help them with senior English /writing so they graduate HS and are accepted to good U's.
    If the kid cant get this done what's next???????????????????????
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    That's the 30 for 30 episode ESPN really needs to make. The mysterious, awesome, nebulous, all powerful NCAA clearinghouse.

    I picture some combo of Men In Black and the IRS and the Matrix.

    In reality more likely an office of corrupt incompetent self important prigs taking payola from the big schools to fabricate 0.00 grade reports and push through the retards those schools always miraculously find a way to make eligible in time, and hoarding over the crappy programs like us, dragging out their precious decision to the last nanosecond.
     
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    They have to confirm, but the issue isn't waiting on the clearinghouse. The issue has been him getting grades to them, so he can be cleared. The holdup isn't a clearinghouse review of a transcript. The most the clearinghouse could have been involved to this point was making it clear months ago there were courses they did not approve.

    There is no evidence that is the holdup and not the fact he couldn't get the appropriate grades/scores on the sliding scale, but that is the only way the clearinghouse could have been involved previously and left him still ineligible. At this point, there is no "clearinghouse issue" that could be possible, unless the new course(s) he took were not pre-approved, but as of a couple weeks ago, it was clear Ford was still taking course(s) to even submit to the clearinghouse for eligibility clearance.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification! I was using the same assumption regarding the clearinghouse pittdan was operating under.
     
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    UPDATE (3:09 PM)-

    **Received some news regarding Paris Ford. A VERY good source tells PSN that Ford is expected to wrap up his academic work to be eligible this season on August 9th. That will then be submitted to the NCAA for approval. If that happens, he’ll enroll at Pitt. If not, he’ll attend Milford Prep and then join Pitt next spring.
     
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    Sounds like he's a Panther come August 9th
     
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    Let's hope.
     
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    There is no mystery. They have a website that you go to and look up your school. It then gives you a list of courses that are approved. The rest is simple math. When an athlete is ineligible or has a "clearing house issue" 99.9% the time it the kid's fault. They process over 100,000+ kids a year with no problems.

    Here the approved courses at Steel Valley. How much of a mystery is that?

    CREATIVE WRITING

    DEBATE

    ENGLISH 10

    ENGLISH 10/ACAD

    ENGLISH 10/H

    ENGLISH 11

    ENGLISH 11/ACAD

    ENGLISH 11/H

    ENGLISH 12

    ENGLISH 12/ACAD

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    JOURNALISM

    PUBLIC SPEAKING

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    Social Science


    AMERICAN CULTURES

    CHS PSYCHOLOGY

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    CONTEMPORARY TOPICS

    ECONOMICS

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    ALGEBRA 2/ACCEL

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    AP PROBABILTY AND STATISTICS

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    GEOMETRY/BASIC

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    PHYSICS 2

    PRE-AP CHEMISTRY

    PREP SCIENCE




    Additional Core Courses

    ADV SPANISH

    CHS FRENCH

    CHS SPANISH

    FRENCH 1

    FRENCH 2

    FRENCH 3

    LATIN 2

    LATIN 3

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    Word is that he will have completed all his course work by August 9th, and then has to wait for the ncaa clearinghouse which could take some time.
     
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    Yeah, if true, this confirms it was 100% on Paris Ford. If he isn't eligible this year, I won't hold my breath it will ever happen. Of course, if he does prep, that would mean he only needs 1 course improved with the possibility of also improving his SAT/ACT.
     
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    It shouldn't take any time at all. He should already know exactly what his sliding scale requirements are and what courses are cleared.
     
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    But why would it take the Clearinghouse approval so long, if the criteria is so cut and dry as their supporters above claim? Seems like a 30 second process. All they boxes checked? Yes? Approved!
     
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    Who are "their supporters above"? It is clear as day this isn't a clearinghouse issue. This is a Paris Ford isn't eligible issue because he either didn't graduate or his grades or sliding score SAT/ACT were too low and he has to improve it.
     
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    Likely referring the the PITTGUYYESSIR poster.
     
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    Indeed.

    I don't doubt the veracity of 21Boys though. I'm sure it IS as simple as described. Which is even more evidence to suspect my accusations of above. It should take about a minute to approve a kid.
     
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    That is all it takes. Whenever you hear of someone having issues with the clearing house it isn't because the clearing house can't figure out if they met the requirements, it's because the student-athlete is trying to get the clearing house to approve something that wasn't previously approved. And that takes time, because they have to investigate the class or classes that the student-athlete wants to get credit for that aren't pre-approved.

    If a student went to Steel Valley and all the classes they took were on that approved list from above then they would know immediately if they were eligible or not. But if they took Comic Book Reading 101 for one of their English classes and then they want or need Comic Book Reading 101 to be an approved class in order to meet the requirements THEN it might very well take a long time to get a decision. The NCAA would investigate the class, is it a real class, what did they teach in the class, and so on, before they would make a decision as to whether they were going to allow Comic Book Reading 101 to be an approved class.
     
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    Comic Book Reading 101, gotta love it!! Good one.
     
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    Today is the day the Ncaa rules him eligible.
     
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    Because the clearinghouse has to process 400,000+ applications a year. It requires them to receive official transcripts from the schools. Then it has to process it just like everyone else. He doesn't get front of the line privileges because he is a 4 star athlete. He not allowed to practice until it clears. So yes they may know everything is good but it still has to go through the paperwork.
     
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    The paperwork doesn't take any time, unless he is trying to get credit for a course which is not pre-approved.
     
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    How did his high school send his final transcript? Was it submitted electronically? Was it overnighted to the clearinghouse? Was mailed? This all effects how long it takes to process it.
     
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    Well, no, that would be a submission/receipt issue, not a processing issue. However, I would be beyond shocked if they were doing anything but electronic submission. The Clearinghouse has a direct (and free) portal for submission. Also, he won't have one "final transcript". He will have multiple transcripts (already would be submitted, save the last course/school he is making up) because you can't just have an override transcript with courses from other programs/districts.

    The only "processing issue" for Ford, at this point, would be if the course he was taking (and he could only make up one course) was not already pre-approved.
     
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    Sheesh. Love how "8/2" became the nebulous "sometime next week". Checks in the mail, right? Well, not from Pitt it isn't. And that's likely the problem!

    Doesn't much matter. Already pretty late to count on anything from the guy. Or like Hamlin we'll find out he has some double secret chronic situation (not to be confused with a situation with the chronic, which is Whiteheads issue) he's had for years and apparently is incurable but never afflicted him in high school, somehow...

    Forgive the bitterness.
     
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    The problem isn't that there isn't a "check in the mail" but that PSN doesn't have decent info.
     

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