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First anyone calling for the firing of pn after this game is a idiot, sure he had a bad call but they coached one hell of a game otherwise.
Second pn should and will get 2020. If he doesn't win at least 8 he should be fired.

I remember when everyone was patting the admin on the back after the pn hire, I wish I could go back and pull up my comments. They were basically that I didn't hate the hire but I didn't like it either, that he was a good defensive coach but wasn't known as a great recruiter I said I expected the results would be similar to PC just the opposite, we would go from a good offense and bad defense to a bad offense and a good defense.
I said I didnt believe he would be able to recruit great and that if this was the hire they better spend a ton of money on the offensive coaches.
Fast forward 4 years and we are exactly where I thought we would be, hopefully Whipple is the answer and he sticks around a while and pn can improve recruiting. With Pitts track record I don't want them trying to find a new head coach. We have played this scenario out 100 times before. As long as the team can average 7 or 8 wins give him 8 or 9 years, stability matters I don't think Pitt fans realize how much the dw, Haywood, TG and PC fiasco hurt this program in recruiting local kids, the attitude is if Pitt gets a good coach he will leave. Dw didn't have that because Walt was here for 8 years before that. Now we can't have stability just for stability s sake and if 2020 isn't good then it's time to move on
 
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revampedpanthers said:
First anyone calling for the firing of pn after this game is a idiot, sure he had a bad call but they coached one hell of a game otherwise.
Second pn should and will get 2020. If he doesn't win at least 8 he should be fired.

I remember when everyone was patting the admin on the back after the pn hire, I wish I could go back and pull up my comments. They were basically that I didn't hate the hire but I didn't like it either, that he was a good defensive coach but wasn't known as a great recruiter I said I expected the results would be similar to PC just the opposite, we would go from a good offense and bad defense to a bad offense and a good defense.
I said I didnt believe he would be able to recruit great and that if this was the hire they better spend a ton of money on the offensive coaches.
Fast forward 4 years and we are exactly where I thought we would be, hopefully Whipple is the answer and he sticks around a while and pn can improve recruiting. With Pitts track record I don't want them trying to find a new head coach. We have played this scenario out 100 times before. As long as the team can average 7 or 8 wins give him 8 or 9 years, stability matters I don't think Pitt fans realize how much the dw, Haywood, TG and PC fiasco hurt this program in recruiting local kids, the attitude is if Pitt gets a good coach he will leave. Dw didn't have that because Walt was here for 8 years before that. Now we can't have stability just for stability s sake and if 2020 isn't good then it's time to move on
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Ideally the fans get on board and provide more support. Narduzzi wins 7 or 8 games this year, and then 10 wins next year. We maintain stability, and recruiting improves.
 
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revampedpanthers said:
First anyone calling for the firing of pn after this game is a idiot, sure he had a bad call but they coached one hell of a game otherwise.
Second pn should and will get 2020. If he doesn't win at least 8 he should be fired.

I remember when everyone was patting the admin on the back after the pn hire, I wish I could go back and pull up my comments. They were basically that I didn't hate the hire but I didn't like it either, that he was a good defensive coach but wasn't known as a great recruiter I said I expected the results would be similar to PC just the opposite, we would go from a good offense and bad defense to a bad offense and a good defense.
I said I didnt believe he would be able to recruit great and that if this was the hire they better spend a ton of money on the offensive coaches.
Fast forward 4 years and we are exactly where I thought we would be, hopefully Whipple is the answer and he sticks around a while and pn can improve recruiting. With Pitts track record I don't want them trying to find a new head coach. We have played this scenario out 100 times before. As long as the team can average 7 or 8 wins give him 8 or 9 years, stability matters I don't think Pitt fans realize how much the dw, Haywood, TG and PC fiasco hurt this program in recruiting local kids, the attitude is if Pitt gets a good coach he will leave. Dw didn't have that because Walt was here for 8 years before that. Now we can't have stability just for stability s sake and if 2020 isn't good then it's time to move on
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Hire on the cheap non-experienced head coach coordinators and 99% of the time you get what you see. We are better than this.
 
I don’t see why he should be fired if he doesn’t win 8 games next year, what if he wins 6 or 7 again? Pretty sure he will keep his job if that happens.

My opinion of him is essentially unchanged after today. I think he’s average to slightly below average. Some things he does well, game management is obviously not one of them.

I do think Pitt could do better with another coach, but it could certainly do worse as well. I for one have no desire to make a horrible choice with the next hire and return to the Majors 2 type of teams.

Here’s what it comes down to: after 5 years this guy is probably going to be around a .500 coach. At most P5 programs that’s probably going to get you canned, at Pitt I suspect it will not.
 
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revampedpanthers said:
First anyone calling for the firing of pn after this game is a idiot, sure he had a bad call but they coached one hell of a game otherwise.
Second pn should and will get 2020. If he doesn't win at least 8 he should be fired.

I remember when everyone was patting the admin on the back after the pn hire, I wish I could go back and pull up my comments. They were basically that I didn't hate the hire but I didn't like it either, that he was a good defensive coach but wasn't known as a great recruiter I said I expected the results would be similar to PC just the opposite, we would go from a good offense and bad defense to a bad offense and a good defense.
I said I didnt believe he would be able to recruit great and that if this was the hire they better spend a ton of money on the offensive coaches.
Fast forward 4 years and we are exactly where I thought we would be, hopefully Whipple is the answer and he sticks around a while and pn can improve recruiting. With Pitts track record I don't want them trying to find a new head coach. We have played this scenario out 100 times before. As long as the team can average 7 or 8 wins give him 8 or 9 years, stability matters I don't think Pitt fans realize how much the dw, Haywood, TG and PC fiasco hurt this program in recruiting local kids, the attitude is if Pitt gets a good coach he will leave. Dw didn't have that because Walt was here for 8 years before that. Now we can't have stability just for stability s sake and if 2020 isn't good then it's time to move on
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Was a very well coached game
 
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BFo8 said:
I don’t see why he should be fired if he doesn’t win 8 games next year, what if he wins 6 or 7 again? Pretty sure he will keep his job if that happens.

My opinion of him is essentially unchanged after today. I think he’s average to slightly below average. Some things he does well, game management is obviously not one of them.

I do think Pitt could do better with another coach, but it could certainly do worse as well. I for one have no desire to make a horrible choice with the next hire and return to the Majors 2 type of teams.

Here’s what it comes down to: after 5 years this guy is probably going to be around a .500 coach. At most P5 programs that’s probably going to get you canned, at Pitt I suspect it will not.
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If he can't get to 8 next year they have given him enough time. Also we should be pretty good next year we return 7 on offense and I believe 8 on d add in campand Weaver and the should be better also the ooc finally gets easier
 
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BFo8 said:
I don’t see why he should be fired if he doesn’t win 8 games next year, what if he wins 6 or 7 again? Pretty sure he will keep his job if that happens.

My opinion of him is essentially unchanged after today. I think he’s average to slightly below average. Some things he does well, game management is obviously not one of them.

I do think Pitt could do better with another coach, but it could certainly do worse as well. I for one have no desire to make a horrible choice with the next hire and return to the Majors 2 type of teams.

Here’s what it comes down to: after 5 years this guy is probably going to be around a .500 coach. At most P5 programs that’s probably going to get you canned, at Pitt I suspect it will not.
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I think next year determines his fate. Talent should be good and the schedule is easier. If we don't win and look good winning, I think he will need to go.

I know this is probably getting old, but Pat needs to start to know who he is as a coach. Decisions need to be good AND automatic. No hesitation.
 
BFo8 said:
My opinion of him is essentially unchanged after today. I think he’s average to slightly below average. Some things he does well, game management is obviously not one of them.
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I agree with you here. I mean it's certainly not the first time that he's shown poor game management skills. The people who love Wanny ought to love them some Narduzzi, because they might as well be clones once the ball is kicked.
 
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Joe the Panther Fan said:
I agree with you here. I mean it's certainly not the first time that he's shown poor game management skills. The people who love Wanny ought to love them some Narduzzi, because they might as well be clones once the ball is kicked.
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Joe: My head tells me you are absolutely right, but something feels different to me about Narduzzi. Probably I just want him to succeed like many people just wanted Wanny to succeed. Just wishful thinking. Narduzzi appears too stubborn to delegate in order to compensate for game day deficiencies.
 
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Probably I just want him to succeed like many people just wanted Wanny to succeed.
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I want Narduzzi to succeed. I wanted Wanny to succeed. But they both clearly have (similar) limitations, and if Narduzzi is going to succeed he needs to figure out how to overcome his limitations. We are far enough into his tenure that it's far to say that it's a lot more likely that he won't than he will.
 
Joe the Panther Fan said:
I want Narduzzi to succeed. I wanted Wanny to succeed. But they both clearly have (similar) limitations, and if Narduzzi is going to succeed he needs to figure out how to overcome his limitations. We are far enough into his tenure that it's far to say that it's a lot more likely that he won't than he will.
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Agree
 
revampedpanthers said:
First anyone calling for the firing of pn after this game is a idiot, sure he had a bad call but they coached one hell of a game otherwise.
Second pn should and will get 2020. If he doesn't win at least 8 he should be fired.

I remember when everyone was patting the admin on the back after the pn hire, I wish I could go back and pull up my comments. They were basically that I didn't hate the hire but I didn't like it either, that he was a good defensive coach but wasn't known as a great recruiter I said I expected the results would be similar to PC just the opposite, we would go from a good offense and bad defense to a bad offense and a good defense.
I said I didnt believe he would be able to recruit great and that if this was the hire they better spend a ton of money on the offensive coaches.
Fast forward 4 years and we are exactly where I thought we would be, hopefully Whipple is the answer and he sticks around a while and pn can improve recruiting. With Pitts track record I don't want them trying to find a new head coach. We have played this scenario out 100 times before. As long as the team can average 7 or 8 wins give him 8 or 9 years, stability matters I don't think Pitt fans realize how much the dw, Haywood, TG and PC fiasco hurt this program in recruiting local kids, the attitude is if Pitt gets a good coach he will leave. Dw didn't have that because Walt was here for 8 years before that. Now we can't have stability just for stability s sake and if 2020 isn't good then it's time to move on
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I don’t know, I think the bigger idiot is the one who says a HC should be fired if they don’t win 8 games in 2020. Really, and you’re calling someone else idiots.
 
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If he can't get to 8 next year they have given him enough time. Also we should be pretty good next year we return 7 on offense and I believe 8 on d add in campand Weaver and the should be better also the ooc finally gets easier
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Don’t know why we are already talking about next year, but since we are...

Every year PN should show his teams are improving- which means more wins. He needs to deliver at least 10 win next year in my book - for the reasons mentioned above +

• a few more additions at RBs
• returning DBs who don’t technically start this year but are damn good.

I would consider anything less than 8 wins this year disappointing.
 
revampedpanthers said:
First anyone calling for the firing of pn after this game is a idiot, sure he had a bad call but they coached one hell of a game otherwise.
Second pn should and will get 2020. If he doesn't win at least 8 he should be fired.

I remember when everyone was patting the admin on the back after the pn hire, I wish I could go back and pull up my comments. They were basically that I didn't hate the hire but I didn't like it either, that he was a good defensive coach but wasn't known as a great recruiter I said I expected the results would be similar to PC just the opposite, we would go from a good offense and bad defense to a bad offense and a good defense.
I said I didnt believe he would be able to recruit great and that if this was the hire they better spend a ton of money on the offensive coaches.
Fast forward 4 years and we are exactly where I thought we would be, hopefully Whipple is the answer and he sticks around a while and pn can improve recruiting. With Pitts track record I don't want them trying to find a new head coach. We have played this scenario out 100 times before. As long as the team can average 7 or 8 wins give him 8 or 9 years, stability matters I don't think Pitt fans realize how much the dw, Haywood, TG and PC fiasco hurt this program in recruiting local kids, the attitude is if Pitt gets a good coach he will leave. Dw didn't have that because Walt was here for 8 years before that. Now we can't have stability just for stability s sake and if 2020 isn't good then it's time to move on
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Foge-Duzzi will get another year....maybe by next year he will be able to get 11 guys on the field for every play... that’s s tough concept for a 5th year HC
 
TD_6082 said:
Lol. This thread is comical . Game management skills. Hahahaha.

Every coach in the country is going to go home a few nights when their game management is atrocious . That's just part of it.

The main reason Pitt lost today is because the running game is non-existent .
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I expect that to change as the seaso unrolls.
 
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I don’t know, I think the bigger idiot is the one who says a HC should be fired if they don’t win 8 games in 2020. Really, and you’re calling someone else idiots.
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No the idiots are the ones calling for pn head after 3 games. I have been upfront I wasn't a fan of the hire, my fear was that he wouldn't recruit well enough on offense and we would get results similar to PC just with different strengths. So far that's playing out, but even though I was never a on fan I am willing to give him this year and next at that point if he can't get it done he can't get it done no more excuses. But 2020 shapes up to be a good year Pitt loses a lot after that season we will be starting over at qb and a lot of the defense. So while I am willing to be patient I think that's enough patience to get a good read one situation
 
Delpanther said:
Foge-Duzzi will get another year....maybe by next year he will be able to get 11 guys on the field for every play... that’s s tough concept for a 5th year HC
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Foge took a Mercedes and drove it into a ditch. Narduzzi was given a Nissan Sentra and has kept it in respectable shape.
 
revampedpanthers said:
First anyone calling for the firing of pn after this game is a idiot, sure he had a bad call but they coached one hell of a game otherwise.
Second pn should and will get 2020. If he doesn't win at least 8 he should be fired.

I remember when everyone was patting the admin on the back after the pn hire, I wish I could go back and pull up my comments. They were basically that I didn't hate the hire but I didn't like it either, that he was a good defensive coach but wasn't known as a great recruiter I said I expected the results would be similar to PC just the opposite, we would go from a good offense and bad defense to a bad offense and a good defense.
I said I didnt believe he would be able to recruit great and that if this was the hire they better spend a ton of money on the offensive coaches.
Fast forward 4 years and we are exactly where I thought we would be, hopefully Whipple is the answer and he sticks around a while and pn can improve recruiting. With Pitts track record I don't want them trying to find a new head coach. We have played this scenario out 100 times before. As long as the team can average 7 or 8 wins give him 8 or 9 years, stability matters I don't think Pitt fans realize how much the dw, Haywood, TG and PC fiasco hurt this program in recruiting local kids, the attitude is if Pitt gets a good coach he will leave. Dw didn't have that because Walt was here for 8 years before that. Now we can't have stability just for stability s sake and if 2020 isn't good then it's time to move on
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He did not coach a great game. He made a huge blunder calling that time out after 2nd down on PSU last drive in the first half. Cost the team 3 points with a terrible decision
 
Nashville Panther said:
He did not coach a great game. He made a huge blunder calling that time out after 2nd down on PSU last drive in the first half. Cost the team 3 points with a terrible decision
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Disagree - We had the momentum and our offense was clicking at that point. It was 3rd and Long. If we stop them, then we get the ball back with a chance to score. Narduzzi was aggressive all game until the FG on 4th down. He should have stuck with the aggressiveness.
 
Full disclosure, I earlier started a fire Narduzzi thread and it was stupid and premature. Narduzzi lost the game with the bonehead play calls on the goal line. That said, it's RIDICULOUS to want him fired right now. Pitt lost competitive games against two top 25 teams and has a good recruiting class coming in so far. Pitt could very well still win the Coastal if Pickett continues his improvement arc. Narduzzi isn't perfect, but he wants to be here and MIGHT be establishing an actual strong program foundation. Despite today's frustration, I'm more optimistic where the program stands tonight than I was this morning.
 
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SouthSidePanther said:
Full disclosure, I earlier started a fire Narduzzi thread and it was stupid and premature. Narduzzi lost the game with the bonehead play calls on the goal line. That said, it's RIDICULOUS to want him fired right now. Pitt lost competitive games against two top 25 teams and has a good recruiting class coming in so far. Pitt could very well still win the Coastal if Pickett continues his improvement arc. Narduzzi isn't perfect, but he wants to be here and MIGHT be establishing an actual strong program foundation. Despite today's frustration, I'm more optimistic where the program stands tonight than I was this morning.
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1) You can delete a post on here if you’d like.
2) Are you confident we score a TD on 4th down, make the PAT, stop them, and then Kessman makes a FG after knowing he missed a 19 yarder?
 
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DiehardPanther said:
Disagree - We had the momentum and our offense was clicking at that point. It was 3rd and Long. If we stop them, then we get the ball back with a chance to score. Narduzzi was aggressive all game until the FG on 4th down. He should have stuck with the aggressiveness.
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If they don’t call timeout- PSU rolls about 20-30 seconds. If you stop them on 3rd and 8. Call timeout- they punt with about 1 minute - and you still have a timeout.

The timeout also gave a disheveled PSU time to regroup and keep their timeout to use later.

Also, he was not aggressive on some 4th down calls at midfield earlier in the game.

He did a piss poor job in terms of game management. He should get credit for a good defense and game plan and getting the guys pumped up.

He has another big game vs UCF. Hope he can make some corrections and get a big win.

Getting to 6-7 wins is the likely goal at this point - will be very difficult if they lose to UCF
 
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If they don’t call timeout- PSU rolls about 20-30 seconds. If you stop them on 3rd and 8. Call timeout- they punt with about 1 minute - and you still have a timeout.

The timeout also gave a disheveled PSU time to regroup and keep their timeout to use later.

Also, he was not aggressive on some 4th down calls at midfield earlier in the game.

He did a piss poor job in terms of game management. He should get credit for a good defense and game plan and getting the guys pumped up.

He has another big game vs UCF. Hope he can make some corrections and get a big win.

Getting to 6-7 wins is the likely goal at this point - will be very difficult if they lose to UCF
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1) Which 4th Downs are you referring to? Aside from the goal line, I thought he handled the other 2 4th Downs very well. The one that lead to a FG and the pass play was a great call.

2) UCF is the most difficult team left on the schedule. The ACC games are all winnable.
 
doubleAA's said:
Was a very well coached game
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One touchdown. One incredibly bad decision that no other coach in the country would have made under the same circumstances.

This guy coaches scared. He doesn’t attack and he doesn’t rise to the situation or get his team to do so. He’s just another guy, just like about 100 of the 127 D 1 coaches and below the median in that group. And his results speak for themselves.

On the top of all that, he just isn’t very smart, and it shows.
 
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With 12 minutes left in 4th quarter. Pitt has 4th and 2 at PSU 48 (at that point it was our only successful drive in the half) if he was ‘aggressive’ as you say - he goes for it. Now, it worked out as they stopped PSU and it led to the infamous Pitt drive stopped at the 1 and a missed FG.

Also, the timeout I was upset at being called was with 1:59. No doubt they have time if they stop PSU on 3rd down and call timeout.
 
DiehardPanther said:
1) Which 4th Downs are you referring to? Aside from the goal line, I thought he handled the other 2 4th Downs very well. The one that lead to a FG and the pass play was a great call.

2) UCF is the most difficult team left on the schedule. The ACC games are all winnable.
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No doubt UCF will be the toughest. However, if they lose that one. They are 1-3 and would have to go 5-3 (I am assuming Delaware is a win) to get to 6-6.

His career at Pitt is hanging on the rest of the season. I am not saying he is going to get fired- even if they go 5-7. I do think if they have a poor season- then the pressures start to mount and his ability to succeed just becomes more difficult.

He is nothing special. If he hadn’t had so many coaching changes the past decade- he would be in more trouble. I am fine giving him some time to prove that he can be a good head coach
 
Nashville Panther said:
He did not coach a great game. He made a huge blunder calling that time out after 2nd down on PSU last drive in the first half. Cost the team 3 points with a terrible decision
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I would not say this was a blunder. He called timeout because he thought that the Pitt defense would stop them on third down and thus they could get the ball back maybe with a chance to score again.

After all, the Pitt offense has been most effective in the second quarter in all three games this year.

However, they did not stop them on that third-down and Penn State did end up driving into scoring position to get that field goal, a 57-yarder, to end the half.

I think that plan backfired but I have to disagree that it was a blunder.
 
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I would not say this was a blunder. He called timeout because he thought that the Pitt defense would stop them on third down and thus they could get the ball back maybe with a chance to score again.

After all, the Pitt offense has been most effective in the second quarter in all three games this year.

However, they did not stop them on that third-down and Penn State did end up driving into scoring distance to get that field goal, a 57-yarder, to end the half.

I think that plan backfired but I have to disagree that it was a blunder.
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Wasn't that like a Beaver stadium record?
 
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