Penn gets nailed by the NCAA
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Didn’t read the article but saw a headline saying a Penn coach got a 15-year show cause. Must be fairly significant for that?
Nothing like rape. Harvey Weinstein is upset the NCAA wasn’t his court and jury.
Coach took a quarter mil to make sure a kid was admitted to Penn.
OK, I did some Googling:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...one-of-most-severe-penalties-in-ncaa-history/
But, but, the Ivies don't . . . oh, never mind.
The NCAA is a f’in joke. They refuse to hammer the big boys.
Why is it only the moderately wealthy and less powerful people who get dinged for this stuff? When a billionaire or powerful politician get their kids into an Ivy League school, it often isn't because junior is smarter than the rest.
The only way to stop this stuff is to hit the guilty parties with all charges possible including tax evasion for those accepting the money and tie the kid into the legal proceedings.
If there's a risk that the kids future will be at stake that should be enough to stop most parents.
Put a few examples out there and the problem will be solved.
If there's a risk that the kids future will be at stake that should be enough to stop most parents.
Put a few examples out there and the problem will be solved.
There is literally no chance stops will stop taking big donations from wealthy people to get their kids into school
The wealthy having advantages and not having to earn on merit - is a fundamentally American concept
They also get to write off those donations because they can itemize while 95% of Americans now cannot. America is the best country in the world to be stupid rich.
I'm not just talking about just the wealthy Dumbo.
I'm also talking about the poor inner city basketball kid who finds his way into some blue blood basketball school with bribes or other monies.
Any bride payoff to get kids in schools they shouldn't be in shouldn't happen whether someone is rich or poor.
Make an example of a few and it will stop!
You miserable, unhappy jerks, turn everything into politics and a hate the rich campaign. Get a life.
Big, big difference. That kid can get into any college in America based on merit (athletic ability). The bribes aren't paid to "get him in." They are paid for him to select a certain school. That doesn't make it right, obviously. Just way different. These millionaires and billionaires bribe their way through life at the expense of everyone else. That's the point.
You mean on an athletic scholarship - which is earned by merit ?
weird comparison
the ncaa hit this coach because he took a bribe to get a kid into penn via athletics despite not actually earning it and ever playing .
If the dad endows a scholarship or donates to the school - it’s a non issue - and the results are the same
The rich kid is in the school
Two groups and all parties concerned should be prosecuted:
1)The people who find bags of money on their door step and a letter of admittance/scholarship to a Blue Blood when their kid can barely spell his name.
2)The people who buy their kids way into colleges and universities illegally like the USC case.
Go after both groups, make some examples of people in both groups, which should deter others.
I didn't know this was such a big crime. I mean, if I am Thornton Mellon III, and I decide to donate $100 million for a new dormitory on campus, and i have a C student son (who is not a C student because I bribed whatever Prep school he went to) you damn well better believe he will be admitted. And should.
Why is this such a crime compared with everything else that is going on? What's next, we come after HS coaches who play their sons over other kids??
Why is this such a crime compared with everything else that is going on? What's next, we come after HS coaches who play their sons over other kids??
What about 3 wealthy people who write huge donations so their kids get in?
Funny you want to bag in a poor (minority ) kid for having a rare and coveted skill to gain entrance into college -
yet -
Far less concerned about the elite using their wealth to protect their kids via conventional methods
it’s not
The only reason the ncaa is involved because a coach took the bribe instead of an administrator .
Which is silly
It is one thing to bribe the university but quite another to bribe a coach secretly. The coach pocketed the $$$$ and that is where the crime lies.
fyi here's the real #'s.
Copy this on your parents pc and copier and put it in your Mickey Mouse Lunchbox so you have the correct #'s next time you have access to a PC like at lunchtime or recess.
Taxpayers who itemize went down from 30% prior to TCJA to 14% today.
"We estimate about 13.7 percent of taxpayers will itemize in 2019. This is more than 17 percentage points lower than it would have been in 2019 under pre-TCJA law. "
"It is also worth noting that the TCJA decreased the tax benefit associated with deductions by lowering individual income tax rates. Deducting one dollar from taxable income before the TCJA’s income tax rate cuts would have reduced a top earner’s tax liability by $0.396. "
Here's the difference. In #1, its the coaches agents. And handlers who should be prosecuted. They are trafficking or exploiting these young athletes.
In #2, its the millionaires and billionaires.
Actually, I agree. If you donate that type of money, your kid should get in. Straight-up bribery and these other schemes are different but just donating six figures to a place should get your kid in.
It's not that weird of a comparison. Athletic scholarships aren't based on scholastic merit, which is SUPPOSED to be the point of college.
True. Hopefully teams like Arizona will learn from what happened with Penn....
HA!
People keep saying this, but Alabama was on probation before Nick Saban was hired.
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This is kind of what I was thinking as well. It’s not bribery in that sense, but people are clearly looking the other way and in some cases letting kids into school who can barely read. Academically, they have no business being admitted to university.
How much money they generate isn't the issue. The question was about merit.
Not really. That's just sort of an excuse to get better ballplayers into school, were they probably wouldn't have made it otherwise.
Their athletic skill is the merit
As previously stated
they have to meet minimum standards to be qualified for college - so yes , they meet your standard
Really? Why is Pitt's endowment (and many others) so much greater than any Athletic revenue/donations?
Because a long time ago very wealthy pittsburghers donated a bunch to build the endowment
which is a separate thing than revenue .
a single basketball player or football player on scholarship helps the school far more than a single hs kid who goes to the school .
Athletic skills aren't really the merit when you are talking about college admission. There are usually a lot of applicants who have better academic accomplishments that the typical ballplayer, who don't get accepted. That's more like the rich family buying their kids' way into college.
Meeting the minimum standard isn't an example of merit. It kind of the opposite. Merit would be the highest achievers being accepted.
