Penn state is Appalachian State nothing more

[President Stache]

they got statically beat yesterday and won on a bad call and a blocked fg. It was a simple case of Goliath losing to a massive underdog, nothing more.

Pitt should of course be ranked above pen state.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

they got statically beat yesterday and won on a bad call and a blocked fg. It was a simple case of Goliath losing to a massive underdog, nothing more.

Pitt should of course be ranked above pen state.

I disagree and with respect, Penn State has a Powerful Program and give that some respect and due, for winning Franklin's First Signature Win.

Yet, Pitt is still rebuilding its New ACC Program just started in 2013 and Pitt beating Penn State Program will continue grow in the coming years in the ACC versus Franklin challenges in the Big Ten East!

Penn State Winning more is a tribute to Pitt that will have the challenge to beat them again. Franklin very much deserves an Extension now!

 

[Breeze90]

I disagree and with respect, Penn State has a Powerful Program and give that some respect and due, for winning Franklin's First Signature Win.

Yet, Pitt is still rebuilding its New ACC Program just started in 2013 and Pitt beating Penn State Program will continue grow in the coming years in the ACC versus Franklin challenges in the Big Ten East!

Penn State Winning more is a tribute to Pitt that will have the challenge to beat them again. Franklin very much deserves an Extension now!

People need to see PSU at full roster strength which is next year, 2018 before all the extension talk.

 

[President Stache]

I disagree and with respect, Penn State has a Powerful Program and give that some respect and due, for winning Franklin's First Signature Win.

Yet, Pitt is still rebuilding its New ACC Program just started in 2013 and Pitt beating Penn State Program will continue grow in the coming years in the ACC versus Franklin challenges in the Big Ten East!

Penn State Winning more is a tribute to Pitt that will have the challenge to beat them again. Franklin very much deserves an Extension now!

Don't get me wrong it's great for Pitt that they won'. I'm not the least bit upset at that, I can't stand osu either, but they didn't out play Ohio state at all. It was a lucky break. Pitt should be ranked ahead of them

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

People need to see PSU at full roster strength which is next year, 2018 before all the extension talk.

Well, I quite agree, and that means all of your predictions are what????...contradicted by the facts right now? Not problem for anyone to grasp I quite agree Penn State has only had Athletic Integrity since 2012, it takes time! Pitt fans welcome that kind of challenge from Honest Programs playing by the Laws & Rules after Decades ignoring them?

Look forward to those games too from a Great Program in Compliance and great win too.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

UPS has recruited well. Stop with the complaining about sanctions

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Don't get me wrong it's great for Pitt that they won'. I'm not the least bit upset at that, I can't stand osu either, but they didn't out play Ohio state at all. It was a lucky break. Pitt should be ranked ahead of them

I understand, but until Pitt beats Teams like OKSU, UNC, and not just PSU, the facts are PSU did beat #2 OSU and still have PU, IOWA, INDIANA, RUTGERS, and MSU too!

I rather have a 10-2 Penn State that Pitt Beat than a 9-3, or 8-4, 7-5 and I would rather have a Pitt at 10-2 too, but up to Pitt to do it!

Pitt beat Penn State is not a debate!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

UPS has recruited well. Stop with the complaining about sanctions

To be fair, Franklin said this was his first true year as coach and he proved it last night, I credit where credit is due, he still has long way to go too. Just like PITT & WVU!

The great news no one mentioned Paterno at all yesterday, Franklin hired by the Penn State Trustees 2012 Reforms did a great service in Penn State Shame being removed like what Herbstreit stated last night on ABC from the scandal and sanction shame at PSU.

Pitt Fans cannot forget the WVU Day of Infamy when 11-0 WVU went down in 13-9 in 2007???

I love watching competitive games but that is just me.

 

[Joe Magarac]

To be fair, Franklin said this was his first true year as coach and he proved it last night, I credit where credit is due, he still has long way to go too. Just like PITT & WVU!

The great news no one mentioned Paterno at all yesterday, Franklin hired by the Penn State Trustees 2012 Reforms did a great service in Penn State Shame being removed like what Herbstreit stated last night on ABC from the scandal and sanction shame at PSU.

Pitt Fans cannot forget the WVU Day of Infamy when 11-0 WVU went down in 13-9 in 2007???

I love watching competitive games but that is just me.

Frankie says a lot of things.
He is more politician than football coach.
People say ND does less with more than anyone else.
I say " ITS A TIE"

 

[President Stache]

To be fair, Franklin said this was his first true year as coach and he proved it last night, I credit where credit is due, he still has long way to go too. Just like PITT & WVU!

The great news no one mentioned Paterno at all yesterday, Franklin hired by the Penn State Trustees 2012 Reforms did a great service in Penn State Shame being removed like what Herbstreit stated last night on ABC from the scandal and sanction shame at PSU.

Pitt Fans cannot forget the WVU Day of Infamy when 11-0 WVU went down in 13-9 in 2007???

I love watching competitive games but that is just me.

My god such crap.

Pitt beat them this year and to a fan they all said this year they suck. They can't have it both ways

 

[VAPITTALUM]

My god such crap.

Pitt beat them this year and to a fan they all said this year they suck. They can't have it both ways

Sure they can. They act like they care about the victims, yet the healing process is truly centered on the state of the FB program, not the kids who are now adults.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Frankie says a lot of things.
He is more politician than football coach.
People say ND does less with more than anyone else.
I say " ITS A TIE"

I won't argue he made some mistakes, and he did bring it on himself as well. I just thunk he needs an Extension and most Penn State Fans he needs 2 more years too, so we shall see?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

My god such crap.

Pitt beat them this year and to a fan they all said this year they suck. They can't have it both ways

I am not disagreeing with you on that aspect, at all. I can't defend nor attempt to try and figure out PSU Cultists that have bad mouth everything about PSU for 5 years now, and now all of sudden praise the very Coach Penn State brought in to correct the previous Penn State Football Scandal Ridden Era? They attack Penn State every day!

I give O'Brien & Franklin credit for winning under the Athletic Reforms and Pitt beat PSU's Franklin 2 months ago, too, unlike OSU yesterday!

 

[steelhead52]

Sometimes the better team does not win for a number or combination of reasons. OSU definitely is the better team but last night their extreme youth was their downfall. They buckled to the atmosphere and defensive pressure at the end and they lost. I hear all the negative input on Franklin, but the Captain said it best. Franklin has his team improving, he did not lose them after a beating by Michigan, he did not lose them with only 1 healthy scholarship LB left at one point. They were the first team to hold OSU to no points in the first quarter, they also shutout OSU in the fourth quarter when OSU has been the most dominant team in the country in the fourth quarter. They sacked the OSU QB 6 times. They overcame adversity of a blocked field goal, a fumbled punt and a bad snap into the end zone to give up a safety and it looked like they would collapse before the half. They did not. Their coaches had them prepared and motivated. Take away one long run by Samuels and they held one of the best rushing teams in the country to around 2.2 yards per carry. This was not luck, it was improvement. As has been mentioned, one thing that cannot be taken away is that Pitt won head to head. The better PSU finishes, the better that win becomes. I have relatives who played at both schools so I can genuinely root for both teams. I want both schools to rise to the levels that made this rivalry so great years ago. I want to see the balance of power shift back to the east despite the declining demographics. The only way this happens is signature wins by both PSU and Pitt. I think rivalries are best when there is a controlled level of "hate" or at least disdain in the form of healthy respect. I was down in SEC country last week before the Tennessee Alabama game. Every business and many many fans had their colors out. Balloons everywhere it was awesome. I would like to experience that emotion again in Pa.

 

[Safety Blitz]

Don't get me wrong it's great for Pitt that they won'. I'm not the least bit upset at that, I can't stand osu either, but they didn't out play Ohio state at all. It was a lucky break. Pitt should be ranked ahead of them

Stats are for losers, Stache.
Pitt beat PSU on the scoreboard (the only place it matters).
PSU beat the Buckeyes.
If you want to claim PSU was lucky to win on a blocked field goal, then Pitt was lucky to beat PSU because of a dropped TD pass.
Not convinced either team is Top 25 at this point, but both could be there next season.

 

[Safety Blitz]

UPS has recruited well. Stop with the complaining about sanctions

PSU has recruited well with its limited number of 'ships.
Sanctions severely hurt their depth along both lines and at LB, which has been quite noticeable at times. Got 2 LBs and a DL back from injury for OSU game. Nits don't win without them.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

["steelhead52, post: 1632159, member: 31208"]Sometimes the better team does not win for a number or combination of reasons. OSU definitely is the better team but last night their extreme youth was their downfall.
I don't blame it all on the young OSU players, it was coaching and choking and Penn State Players never gave up and got better as OSU Players fell apart! It came down to just a few plays and OSU pretty much was beating them all game long!

They buckled to the atmosphere and defensive pressure at the end and they lost. I hear all the negative input on Franklin, but the Captain said it best.
Thank you these are just my observations, but I still think Franklin is just a Good Coach for PSU not a Very Good Coach like Narduzzi for Pitt, and not Great like others in the Big Ten or Elite like Meyers! I may be wrong and when proven wrong I will admit it.

Franklin has his team improving, he did not lose them after a beating by Michigan, he did not lose them with only 1 healthy scholarship LB left at one point.
Agree, and give some Kudos to OC Moorhead, OLC Limebgrover & DC Pry too?

They were the first team to hold OSU to no points in the first quarter, they also shutout OSU in the fourth quarter when OSU has been the most dominant team in the country in the fourth quarter.
I also think it was poor OSU's Meyer's & Staff Poor Game Day Plans, Prep, and QB Barrett bad throws, no RB lanes, and Poor OL play, with just 1 or 2 breakdowns on DBs giving up just a few long passes. OSU's Coaching & Execution very Inconsistent!

Penn State football notebook: Meyer's decision to attempt field goal helped kicks-start PSU victory:
LINK:
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/11346758-74/state-field-meyer

They sacked the OSU QB 6 times. They overcame adversity of a blocked field goal, a fumbled punt and a bad snap into the end zone to give up a safety and it looked like they would collapse before the half. They did not.
Agree!

Their coaches had them prepared and motivated.
The PSU Coaching Game Plans was terrible too, but they at least never gave up, just like seen in Pitt, Minnesota, and Maryland games. It was the OSU Players that gave up by not executing. Pitt would have beaten them yesterday too in my opinion just like in September. PSU was not that great at all executing their Game Plans they got 2 to 3 Blocked Kicks on ST that helped big time, that is not great O & D plans?Yet, Moorhead is still putting in his system and DC Pry has had many Injuries to deal with and still they are 5-2 and beat a Top Five Ranked Team. Credit is due, but Stats show many things still need to be worked out too.
LINK:
BOX SCORE:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400869645

This is where many PSU Fans are fooling themselves? Great win, but most PSU plays were dead outright stopped and nothing to be proud of in a weather type game. Yet, PSU won that deserves credit as much as how UNC beat Pitt this year with big lead the last 6 minutes. A win is a win and same with losses.

Take away one long run by Samuels and they held one of the best rushing teams in the country to around 2.2 yards per carry. This was not luck, it was improvement.
Don't agree at all, Barrett blew many passes with wide open WRs, and bad OSU Coaching Play Calling and with Barrett bad executing! PSU were losing 21-7??? No Blocked Kick TD makes it a 21-17 Heart Break Loss but PSU stopped OSU in the end just like Pitt did to PSU in September on that last drive?

As has been mentioned, one thing that cannot be taken away is that Pitt won head to head. The better PSU finishes, the better that win becomes. I have relatives who played at both schools so I can genuinely root for both teams. I want both schools to rise to the levels that made this rivalry so great years ago. I want to see the balance of power shift back to the east despite the declining demographics. The only way this happens is signature wins by both PSU and Pitt. I think rivalries are best when there is a controlled level of "hate" or at least disdain in the form of healthy respect.
Now you have me agreeing at Hello! So, Spot on as far as I am concern!

I was down in SEC country last week before the Tennessee Alabama game. Every business and many many fans had their colors out. Balloons everywhere it was awesome. I would like to experience that emotion again in Pa.
We did and saw it at PITT-PSU Game earlier, and time to accept playing PSU & WVU every year will be great for all three too! Pitt, WVU & PSU still have a long way to go to become a Top SEC Team, as far as I am concern, but all are improving.

I still think Pitt's Narduzzi & Staff will still prove to be in their Second Year better Coaches than Holgrosen & Franklin are now in their 6th years too. We shall see if I am right?

 

[President Stache]

Stats are for losers, Stache.
Pitt beat PSU on the scoreboard (the only place it matters).
PSU beat the Buckeyes.
If you want to claim PSU was lucky to win on a blocked field goal, then Pitt was lucky to beat PSU because of a dropped TD pass.
Not convinced either team is Top 25 at this point, but both could be there next season.

No Pitt beat penn state statistically and on the score board what are you talking about.

Not even remotely the same thing. Pen. State was Appalachian state

 

[medixman]

You guys do realize the Ohio State blocked a Psu fg in the first quarter.It was Psu first missed fg of the year.Also Psu fumbled a punt in the first quarter that lead to a Osu fg!So really special team play was about even and Psu didn't luck out by blocking a fg,Osu did the same thing.Psu won because of their defensive scheme.Do you think Myers wanted to throw 43 times in that weather but Psu made him do it.They took away the run( except 1 play) and made Osu throw it.Pry out coached the OC and OL coaches of OSU last night. That's the big reason PSU won,no luck here.Osu gave up 5 sacks all year and 6 last night,thats what you get when you throw it 43 times.Bad calls there are plenty of those every game,I've been involved in 1000s of them.Your mad when they are against you,happy when they're good for you.There were probably bad calls in the first Olympics and there will be as long as humans are responsible for enforcing the rules.b wdik

 

[DruidTM]

PSU never had a "dropped TD pass" against Pitt...they did have an overthrown pass that barely touched the reciever's fingertips....watch it again on DVR if you must....there was nothing spectacularly magical about that play... just an overthrown pass...same thing happened later and was picked this time in the end zone...ball game.

PSU didn't "almost beat" Pitt any more than they "almost beat" the Bulldogs last year... games were very similar.... 28-7 type starts for Pitt and UGA.... losses for PSU despite comebacks ....

 

[medixman]

TM I'm over 60 years old and I'd be mad right now if I didn't catch that pass against Pitt.But it's part of the game,catch it who knows what happens?Drop it like he did and you have to wait untill next year to beat Pitt.

 

[michnittlion]

Honestly, the statistics seemed to played out pretty close to the scoreboard:

1. Take out PSU's game-end kneeldowns, and OSU had a better average yards per play vs. PSU: 5.0 to 4.9. OSU was better there, but not by a ton. OSU did have more total overall yards. It's hard to quantify yards to points exactly, but given the difference in average per play and total yards, let's say the difference here is worth Ohio State +4.

2. Simple special team gaffes. OSU gave away 1 point with the missed XP. PSU gave away 2 points with the botched punt snap safety That's Ohio State +1, we're Ohio State +5 in aggregate.

3. PSU had the game's only turnover, resulted in a short field for OSU and a FG. But OSU did also have a punt blocked: not technically a turnover but that resulted in a short field for PSU and a FG. That's a wash, we're still Ohio State +5 in aggregate.

4. Both teams blocked a FG. The ball bounced right for PSU, led to a touchdown. The ball didn't bounce as right for OSU. Penn State +7, and we're Penn State +2 in the aggregate.

And Penn State won by 3, of course.

Footballs take random bounces, but that will happen in every game. A player can force a fumble, block a kick, or tip a pass --- it takes skill to do that but after that it's hard to predict exactly where the ball goes and there is an element of randomness. Ball bounced PSU's way Saturday night. That was fortunate, but neither should PSU apologize for that. It's literally part of the game.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

PSU's D played their ass off. I believe that Urban blew the game though. I would have gone instead of trying to kick what would have been a career long effort for his kicker.

PSU fought hard though and you can't take anything away from them. Franklin has done a good job with this and like Captain said, they haven't quit on him.

I hate PSU so much and I am not looking forward to going to work tomorrow, but am am still more concerned that we continue to improve on the field, in the stands and with recruiting.

 

[TD_6082]

PSU's D played their ass off. I believe that Urban blew the game though. I would have gone instead of trying to kick what would have been a career long effort for his kicker.

PSU fought hard though and you can't take anything away from them. Franklin has done a good job with this and like Captain said, they haven't quit on him.

I hate PSU so much and I am not looking forward to going to work tomorrow, but am am still more concerned that we continue to improve on the field, in the stands and with recruiting.

All you have to do is say 42-39. See ya in 2017 for the hat-trick.

 

[Safety Blitz]

PSU never had a "dropped TD pass" against Pitt...they did have an overthrown pass that barely touched the reciever's fingertips....watch it again on DVR if you must....there was nothing spectacularly magical about that play... just an overthrown pass...same thing happened later and was picked this time in the end zone...ball game.

PSU didn't "almost beat" Pitt any more than they "almost beat" the Bulldogs last year... games were very similar.... 28-7 type starts for Pitt and UGA.... losses for PSU despite comebacks ....

OK there TM. If that's what you want to believe, you go for it.
I just know there were a helluva lot of Pitt fans who caught their collective breath when that ball went off that kid's hands.

 

[Safety Blitz]

No Pitt beat penn state statistically and on the score board what are you talking about.

Not even remotely the same thing. Pen. State was Appalachian state

Guess the four playoff teams should be decided on statistics rather than wins and losses.

 

[Howie'81]

they got statically beat yesterday and won on a bad call and a blocked fg. It was a simple case of Goliath losing to a massive underdog, nothing more.

Pitt should of course be ranked above pen state.

Fine, you hate Penn State. We get it, but a silly post is still a silly post.

 

[Howie'81]

I disagree and with respect, Penn State has a Powerful Program and give that some respect and due, for winning Franklin's First Signature Win.

Yet, Pitt is still rebuilding its New ACC Program just started in 2013 and Pitt beating Penn State Program will continue grow in the coming years in the ACC versus Franklin challenges in the Big Ten East!

Penn State Winning more is a tribute to Pitt that will have the challenge to beat them again. Franklin very much deserves an Extension now!

Captain, I've been critical (mostly to myself) of your posts in the past, but this post was very gracious. Thank you. You had a well deserved win over us this season. Enjoy it.

 

[Howie'81]

Don't get me wrong it's great for Pitt that they won'. I'm not the least bit upset at that, I can't stand osu either, but they didn't out play Ohio state at all. It was a lucky break. Pitt should be ranked ahead of them

Luck is the residue of design - Branch Rickey

There was nothing lucky about it unless you believe Marcus Allen just fell into the kick (he didn't) or that Cameron Brown didn't really stick his hand up to block that punt.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Captain, I've been critical (mostly to myself) of your posts in the past, but this post was very gracious. Thank you. You had a well deserved win over us this season. Enjoy it.

Thank you! Talking Football is about being passionate critical analysis and welcomed.

It is the give and take with fairness to admit being wrong, or changing minds, exchanging good points, facts, and analysis with agreeing to disagree sometimes with banter, anger, and once in awhile losing it. (Been There Done That) I consider it a total learning, sharing, and caring of a changing process making all past, present and future posts.

The coming Pitt-Penn State 3 more game series does favor Penn State due to such a Powerful Program, but Pitt has something it never had before, ACC Stability Income, so it now comes down to Recruiting, Coaching, and Execution as usual.

Again thank you, but Penn State, WVU and Pitt have much to be proud of and all are improving with some ahead but still have 6 more games left plus Bowl Games! Challenge my posts anytime no offense taken and enjoy PSU win against OSU.

The Pitt-Penn State Game will be good again in 2017 too!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

I get a kick out of the PSU closet dwellers that wait in hiding until the one chance they get to come out of the closet running around acting like PSU is a top ten blue blood program LOL. Man it must have been a long several years for you guys! PSU described as a strong powerful program? What's the over/under on PSU coming out of their division and then winning championship game to make the National Playoff over the next 20 years? I say 1! Anyone think Penn St becomes a Clemson or OSU? Obviously they never will be Bama!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"medixman, post: 1632366, member: 28301"]You guys do realize the Ohio State blocked a Psu fg in the first quarter.It was Psu first missed fg of the year.Also Psu fumbled a punt in the first quarter that lead to a Osu fg!So really special team play was about even and Psu didn't luck out by blocking a fg,Osu did the same thing.Psu won because of their defensive scheme.
This analysis is just as relevant and the ball had to be slippery in that cold rain! I also accept PSU Defense without question surprised and confused OSU OC & Team!

Do you think Myers wanted to throw 43 times in that weather but Psu made him do it.They took away the run( except 1 play) and made Osu throw it.Pry out coached the OC and OL coaches of OSU last night. That's the big reason PSU won,no luck here.
Agree!

Osu gave up 5 sacks all year and 6 last night,thats what you get when you throw it 43 times.Bad calls there are plenty of those every game,I've been involved in 1000s of them.Your mad when they are against you,happy when they're good for you.
Even JoePa won many games that way, he taught me that most CFB Games wins and losses come from 4 to 6 Plays and by 2 to 3 Players. We witness that last night for sure? Joe was Great Coach without doubt too.

There were probably bad calls in the first Olympics and there will be as long as humans are responsible for enforcing the rules.b wdik
Even when a bad calls happen sometimes Teams overcome them. Agree, it happens but it is what it is, Great Games I see it, so was Pitt and PSU!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

["DruidTM, post: 1632381, member: 4458"]PSU never had a "dropped TD pass" against Pitt...they did have an overthrown pass that barely touched the reciever's fingertips....watch it again on DVR if you must....there was nothing spectacularly magical about that play... just an overthrown pass...same thing happened later and was picked this time in the end zone...ball game.
Pitt lost games that way to PSU in the past too. Again, 4 to 5 Plays still decides many Games and when those 4 to 5 Plays happen, sometimes in the beginning, sometimes at the end?

PSU didn't "almost beat" Pitt any more than they "almost beat" the Bulldogs last year... games were very similar.... 28-7 type starts for Pitt and UGA.... losses for PSU despite comebacks ....
Pitt did win and PSU too! I agree to disagree! UNC & OKSU was almost beat for Pitt too, one fell short in OKSU like PSU did against Pitt, and Pitt could not keep the lead just like OSU lost theirs against PSU. I think many pointed out good points in these posts.

Still, all can see Pitt, Penn State and WVU have indeed improved and season is really only half finished, and can have setbacks, comebacks, and maybe all 3 win 10+ games!

I can't wait to see WVU against OKSU, OU, UT, & BAYLOR, my goodness what better way to see if Holgrosen can keep winning? Same with Franklin against Iowa and MSU? And darn well Narduzzi this week against VT, and later MIAMI & CLEMSON.....we are blessed to see such games that can be won in 3 Conferences?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"michnittlion, post: 1632431, member: 5996"]Honestly, the statistics seemed to played out pretty close to the scoreboard:
Not the key stats like 3rd Downs?

1. Take out PSU's game-end kneeldowns, and OSU had a better average yards per play vs. PSU: 5.0 to 4.9. OSU was better there, but not by a ton. OSU did have more total overall yards. It's hard to quantify yards to points exactly, but given the difference in average per play and total yards, let's say the difference here is worth Ohio State +4.
Well, also include Quarters plus Time of Possessions? OSU stlll did better!

2. Simple special team gaffes. OSU gave away 1 point with the missed XP. PSU gave away 2 points with the botched punt snap safety That's Ohio State +1, we're Ohio State +5 in aggregate.
Agree, the game was decided by 3 points as well.
Also, Big TD Run for OSU and Big Pass TD for PSU before Half Time. Misses by PSU Defense on that Run and Poor Coverage with PSU catch against OSU DBs.

3. PSU had the game's only turnover, resulted in a short field for OSU and a FG. But OSU did also have a punt blocked: not technically a turnover but that resulted in a short field for PSU and a FG. That's a wash, we're still Ohio State +5 in aggregate.
Agree!
PSU ran back a blocked kick! OSU missed more than one Kick too? This is can be argued all eternity long.

4. Both teams blocked a FG. The ball bounced right for PSU, led to a touchdown. The ball didn't bounce as right for OSU. Penn State +7, and we're Penn State +2 in the aggregate.
Agree!

And Penn State won by 3, of course.
Ditto!

Footballs take random bounces, but that will happen in every game. A player can force a fumble, block a kick, or tip a pass --- it takes skill to do that but after that it's hard to predict exactly where the ball goes and there is an element of randomness. Ball bounced PSU's way Saturday night. That was fortunate, but neither should PSU apologize for that. It's literally part of the game.
Agree and it was also weather, wind, and players snaps, setups, blocking mistakes, as well as QBs not doing that great except on a few plays. Again, Games are mostly decided by 4 to 5 Plays by 2 to 3 Players. JoePa taught me from his mouth at Banquet and until someone refutes it, this PSU-OSU & PITT-PSU game was two great examples of it!!

Here is a nice Article on Lions Win too for the PSU Posters that contribute their knowledge on the Lair. However, I am still on record that Narduzzi is a better Coach than Franklin or Holgrosen We shall see if Pitt Coach Pat & Sttff prove it the next 3 games? meanwhile salute to WVU for being in the Top 10 and PSU too in the Top 25 Rankings!
Article & Excerpt & Link:
Signature win for Penn State, Franklin
Winner -- Penn State coach James Franklin: With a 24-21 win over Ohio State, the third-year coach helped Penn State record its first win over a ranked team since 2013 as well as its first win against a top-10 team since 2008. Heading into Saturday, Franklin was 0-7 against Ohio State, Michigan Wolverines and Michigan State Spartans . For all that Franklin's done, he's never had an exemplary record against quality teams. For one game at least, he took some pressure off of him and changed the narrative a bit.

Loser -- Ohio State: Much will be made about the the playoff landscape now that Ohio State lost. The reality is a little less exciting as the Buckeyes still somewhat control their own destiny. They can still win the Big Ten East, the Big Ten and get into the playoff. None of that will happen, however, if this team can't fix a few glaring issues. The deep passing game again wasn't there and pass protection for quarterback J.T. Barrett was a major issue. Special teams gaffes proved to be perhaps the most costly. Given that some of these issues go back further than a week, the Buckeyes have some work to do to relive their 2014 national championship run.
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...week-8-signature-win-for-penn-state-franklin/

AND...........

So what does it all mean? Here are some major takeaways.

1. This is easily the biggest win of James Franklin's tenure at Penn State. Coming into the game Penn State had been 0-6 against ranked teams under James Franklin. It's 1-6 now, as the Nittany Lions beat a team ranked in the top two of the AP Top 25 poll while they themselves were not ranked for the first time since 1964. Combine that with the Cubs winning the National League pennant, and it seems a lot of dry spells were ending on Saturday night.

2. This win thrusts Penn State right into the Big Ten East title race. It still needs plenty of help, however. First of all, Michigan needs to lose twice, or Ohio State has to lose another game, even if the Nittany Lions win out. Michigan needs to lose twice because it already has a win over Penn State. The Nittany Lions also need Ohio State to lose again, because if the three teams all finish tied at 7-1 in conference, Penn State's loss to Pitt will knock it out due to the Big Ten's tie-breaker rules. Still, all Penn State can control is what it does from here on out, and if you look at Penn State's remaining schedule, 7-1 in conference play isn't impossible to do at this point.

3. Do not write off Ohio State. Plenty of people are going to want to, because it's always fun when a top-ranked team loses, and we always love to declare teams are done, but Ohio State isn't. It's still 3-1 in the conference, it's still going to be favored in the rest of its games, and it's still gets to play Michigan in Columbus. It's also incredibly talented. If it wins out it will be Ohio State going to Indianapolis, even if Penn State wins out. If the Buckeyes win there, we all know a one-loss Ohio State team will be selected for the College Football Playoff. So no matter how tempting it is, don't go thinking that just because Ohio State -- which was playing its second consecutive road game against an opponent coming off a bye -- is done, or it was a fraud. It's still very capable of winning the Big Ten and getting to the CFP.
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...enn-states-shocking-upset-of-no-2-ohio-state/

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Bethlehemjohn, post: 1632455, member: 266"]PSU's D played their ass off. I believe that Urban blew the game though. I would have gone instead of trying to kick what would have been a career long effort for his kicker.
Quite agree, Meyers face during and after the Game PC says it too! Still, Franklin & Staff also worked hard to prepare for OSU and the Players did not give up either just like Pitt, Minnesota Games, too!

PSU fought hard though and you can't take anything away from them. Franklin has done a good job with this and like Captain said, they haven't quit on him.
Same with WVU's Holgrosen's Teams against BYU and KSU too. Add in Pitt's Narduzzi Teams in PSU, MU, GT, UVA Wins and even in OKSU & UNC Losses?

May I remind everyone all 3 Teams and Programs are improving PSU from Sanctions and New 3 Years Coach in his 6th Year with a New Staff, WVU in the Big-12 in its 5th Year with a 6th Year Coach, and Pitt in the ACC 4th year with a 2nd Year Coach too?

The season is half gone and all 3 Teams & Programs can end up 10-2, 9-3, 8-4, or 7-5 too? Except WVU that could be 12-0 and 11-1?

I hate PSU so much and I am not looking forward to going to work tomorrow, but am am still more concerned that we continue to improve on the field, in the stands and with recruiting.
Wow, compliments to you too, exactly what is important for PITT is not what happens to PSU or WVU but what PITT does in Winning, Recruiting, and Rebuilding!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"GREGJACOBS, post: 1632541, member: 1172"]I get a kick out of the PSU closet dwellers that wait in hiding until the one chance they get to come out of the closet running around acting like PSU is a top ten blue blood program LOL.
This happens on all Rivals Boards and against all rivals. FSU-MIAMI, Florida-FSU, OSU-UM, USC-Stanford, Iowa-ISU. When Pitt beat PSU many Pitt Post showed up on BWI and from many Posters from other Programs too?

Yet, Penn State still does have a Top Program in Resources, Attendance, Recruiting Staff, Camps, and Expenses, Coaching Clinics to.. WVU is ahead of Pitt too there too. Yet, Pitt with ACC Budget Income is still rebuilding and Coach Narduzzi is still adjusting to ACC Coaches too? All 3 are still proving themselves in 2016, season is just half over?

Man it must have been a long several years for you guys!
It is more than several years they are 5th in Wins since joining the Big Ten in 1993, 7th since 2000, and 8th since replacing Paterno in 2012? The Swagger has been long gone and that was before Sanctions. PSU is rebuilding its Teams Wins as well as Pitt in ACC and WVU in Big-12! WVU is 8th in Wins in Big-12 since 2012? Pitt is tied with GT for 8th in the ACC! All should improve this year too?

PSU described as a strong powerful program?
One must separate Programs that include many aspects of a Football Athletic Program versus Team & Coaches Wins as far as I am concern. right now, Texas, ND, & USC have Great Programs but lower Wins lately?

What's the over/under on PSU coming out of their division and then winning championship game to make the National Playoff over the next 20 years? I say 1!
I tend to agree, but everyone tells me to wait for Franklin until 2017 and 2018? I just think PSU Road to Hoe Upwards is harder in the Big Ten East even with all the Resources to do it. Compare to Pitt Road to Hoe Upwards in the ACC Coastal is just my analysis opinion? WVU always has had the tougher Road to How Upwards in a complete Big-12 against OU, UT, TCU, KSU, OKSU, BU, & TTU!

Anyone think Penn St becomes a Clemson or OSU? Obviously they never will be Bama!
Well, that is what 2016 was all about and PSU did win against OSU but far from Michigan. WVU is will show off in the next 6 games or drop off. Pitt will see how good they have been improving against VT, Miami and Clemson.

I said it before and will say it again, I don't see much difference between all 3 teams and Programs right now, all are rebuilding and still have 6 or 5 games to go, plus Bowls. All still have close wins and losses the last 3 years?

I respect your views as well, and may be wrong!

 

[DruidTM]

OK there TM. If that's what you want to believe, you go for it.
I just know there were a helluva lot of Pitt fans who caught their collective breath when that ball went off that kid's hands.

Do you have a DVR? Go watch it again .... pretend it's any other teams playing and you see something that happens all the time in football...an overthrown pass....

You guys act like it was on the breadbasket not even close. You go believe what you want I've seen it more than once now.

 

[President Stache]

Fine, you hate Penn State. We get it, but a silly post is still a silly post.

I dont hate them, just pointing out the obvious fact.

 

[President Stache]

Luck is the residue of design - Branch Rickey

There was nothing lucky about it unless you believe Marcus Allen just fell into the kick (he didn't) or that Cameron Brown didn't really stick his hand up to block that punt.

HAHA... except when it happens against you??

Look, Pitt had FARRRRRR more opportunities to score against your sad team than you did against Pitt. Anyone watching that game knows it should have been a 20 point Pitt win. We won, against PSU... we are the better team. Bottom line

 

[TD_6082]

I'm not even going to keep up with the score Thursday night. As long as we can get the statistical win, I guess that's what matters. Thanks Stache!