Per Goodman Chrisshawn Clark committed
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I have not followed his recruitment one bit but I'm going to take a total guess and say we were the best team to offer him. That's usually the case. Ok, now Im going to go check. Maybe I'm wrong.
OK. He picked us over St. Mary's, Cal State-Fullerton, Nevada, and Loyola.
At some point, Jamie is going to have to beat Nova, Gtown, Maryland, and NCSU for a recruit. These are not good signs. Clark may be a future NBA HOF'er but the overwhelming odds are that he's nothing special.
At some point, Jamie is going to have to beat Nova, Gtown, Maryland, and NCSU for a recruit. These are not good signs. Clark may be a future NBA HOF'er but the overwhelming odds are that he's nothing special.
He just finished an official visit to Oregon. nIce research.
What are the odd that ANY kid in this recruiting class will be a future NBA HOF-er? Stupid comment.
No offer yet according to this site but like all other mid-majors we've gotten, I'm sure we got him right before all the big schools started beating down his door.
Listen, Clark may be a great player. I have ni idea really but recruiting experts and P5 coaches dont think so. They could be wrong. Jamie could be right. Time will tell but the harsh reality is that our recruiting has fallen off a cliff. It is approaching crisis mode and is looking very much like the late Willard era without the arrests.
They beat Oregon for him, and to be honest, right now that is pretty much an equal or better program.
This actually is getting ahead of the curve for this kid.
He is really well regarded for his talent, and was likely going to be heavily recruited.
Most JCs don't commit or sign until the spring, after their second JC year.
The sort of go lucky and got on him early and found out he wanted to redshirt this year, so if he was going to do that he had to sign now.
I think they knew of him from HS, but warning to people with weak stomaches ... Barton was the guy who led on this (JD offered and finihsed, but Barton was the one who was on him and went out to see him first), and he also was the guy who led on Kithkart.
But, back to Clark, he is a really, REALLY smooth guy with pretty good athleticism.
Who knows, not saying he will be a stud, but it's a good get based on his talent.
Try telling the incoming recruits that recruiting has fallen off a cliff. Dixon likes the older, mature players. We may prefer the past model of having guys develop over two or three years, but kids don't want to hear it. Every high school kid probably thinks they are underanked and wants to come in and be a scorer to prove themself. After two or three years of playing college ball they should have a better understanding of their strengths and weaknesses and what role they should be playing on a team.
If you offered a high school kid Wannamaker's exact career, most would probably say no thanks. If you offered a transfer Wannamaker's exact last season or two , most would say yes please. Maybe Dixon thinks it's easier to identify the Wannamaker and Patterson types after they had played some college ball than picking them out of high school. In HS, everyone is a star. After they played some in college, it's easier to see which ones are willing to work hard, defend and play team ball. At least it should be easier, maybe Dixon just decided to gamble on Trey Ziegler.
Transfers are a growing part of recruiting. Dixon isn't getting left behind in that regard, whether we like it or not.
Pitt fans circa 2008: Dixon needs to recruit players with more stars.
Pitt fans circa 2012: Dixon needs to go back to recruiting players that fit his game instead of these guys with more stars and less heart.
Pitt fans circa 2015: Dixon needs to go back to recruiting guys with more stars.
Pitt fans circa 2018: Dixon still works here even though we never approve of anything he does as a coach.
Pitt fans circa 2012: Dixon needs to go back to recruiting players that fit his game instead of these guys with more stars and less heart.
Pitt fans circa 2015: Dixon needs to go back to recruiting guys with more stars.
Pitt fans circa 2018: Dixon still works here even though we never approve of anything he does as a coach.
He had an official visit there. I wonder what percent of official visits happen without an offer?
They wanted him, and frankly JD was lucky he left there wo committing.
Pitt got a break with him visiting last weekend, beautiful weather, homecoming, great football game ...
JS, I think the fifth year thing is a fall back position with them striking out on preps. Just being real. I know JD has said it is part of the new landscape, but like throwing the towel in on the NE, I think that is him kind of taking the easy path.
This isn't like the fifth year thing, this kid actually is taking a delayed path to get to play D1 ball. In fact, he is redshirting at his JC this year so he can have three years in college at Pitt. The probably knew of him from HS, were following him and when they struck out on White targetted this ki because they didn't have any other viable preps left and this kid is pretty talented.
They have a LOT of offers out to 2017 prep kids now. JD has also said that the biggest issue with recruiting is not having continuity in the coaching staff. This will be the first longer arching cycle with Smoke in the rotation, and it will be a bigger class, too. IMO, he would much rather have preps to work with, just has kind of backed into having to rely on fifth year guys and transfers, which to this point has shown pretty weak returns overall.
Even taking logic and reason out of the equation, pretty much every JUCO reporter tweeted out the offer or confirmed it.
Altman was also on campus for him probably 4 or 5 times before Dixon finally went out.
Rivals' coverage of Clark literally is comprised of Matt's interviews and nothing more.
Although it is funny to see sites discredited and given undue importance depending on position.
Weird as it is, Twitter seems to be the best for offers.
I agree with you that the graduate transfers were more of a fall back. We'll probably never see three in one year again, more like one every two or three years. I was talking more about transfers in general, graduate, JUCO or other D1 programs. I think maybe we could see roughly 3 out of 10 recruits being some sort of transfer in the future. Admittedly, I have no idea what the percentage was in the past and don't care to make the effort to find out.
Is it unusual to do what Clark is doing, redshirt the JUCO second year to play three in D1? I would think some JUCO coaches wouldn't be happy with that. What if the current coach told him to leave now, since you are never playing for us again? Can the JUCO add another player if he redshirts? I'm not familiar with their rules.
I believe he ended up at that JC because the coach is very good friends with Clark's old HS coach. So I think that might be why he's okay with this, similar to Sheldon Jeter going to JUCO for one year solely to redshirt since their coach had a good relationship with Dixon.
I don't know how normal this is, but I think both times the extenuating circumstances made it a little bit easier to pull off. It's not like the JC coach necessarily recruited the player, he was more placed there due to a relationship.
I don't know how normal this is, but I think both times the extenuating circumstances made it a little bit easier to pull off. It's not like the JC coach necessarily recruited the player, he was more placed there due to a relationship.
Welcome Chrishawn Clark!
I am not opposed to offering transfers or JC players.
JD & Staff see something in this kid that made them offer - there is a reason they are coaching, and I am typing on a message board. They know and have forgotten much more than I will ever know when it comes to recuriting and coaching.
I approach this with caution as the recent track record for Pitt with transfers has been less than stellar in terms of contributions.
The redshirt tells me one of two things, either: a) Clark wants to be sure that academically he is solid before playing minute 1 at Pitt and wants to concentrate on classes OR b) There is something in this kid that JD wants him to be able to contribute for 3 years at Pitt. I am hoping for B.
I am not opposed to offering transfers or JC players.
JD & Staff see something in this kid that made them offer - there is a reason they are coaching, and I am typing on a message board. They know and have forgotten much more than I will ever know when it comes to recuriting and coaching.
I approach this with caution as the recent track record for Pitt with transfers has been less than stellar in terms of contributions.
The redshirt tells me one of two things, either: a) Clark wants to be sure that academically he is solid before playing minute 1 at Pitt and wants to concentrate on classes OR b) There is something in this kid that JD wants him to be able to contribute for 3 years at Pitt. I am hoping for B.
JS.....it has a big advantage. He can't play 3 years unless he takes a redshirt. If he plays 2 years, we can't get him play 3. Also, a year as a redshirt gives him more time to finish his 2-year degree there. W/o that, he might not get onto the floor for Pitt anyway. Nice strategy....balances the roster a bit better.
I definitely can't see where JC coaches would want this to happen too often.
I appreciate the follow up post that there were connections with his HS coach.
I do think a JC coach has to be careful to not make too big a deal of of it if it happens in an isolated manner. Having kids for two years and having to scrape around for them a bit, he might not want to get too bent out of shape over it to not alienate people.
Do JUCOs offer scholarships? I always assumed they did, but it seems strange if Clark was on a scholarship that he could inform the school that he was redshirting, but that he was going to stay and practice with the team and take classes for free. Maybe he is staying and paying, I'm sure the tuition there is a lot cheaper than Pitt.
I agree with SMF that the recruiting has fallen off a cliff but.... feel this is a good pickup.
The thing is.... come next year we already will have Wilson (4* recruit), Milligan, Jones and Cam Johnson as guards... and if Chris Jones is not starting at SG this year he will probably be starting there as a senior.
It's really hard to bring in top recruits when you already have players entrenched in those positions... and although some posters would like to bring in 5* one and done trojan horses.... that is not the right way to go.
So, for now, development projects. Yeah, if Clark only had 2 years left IMO this would be a questionable pickup... but he has 3 years left and that is enough time for him to develop.
The thing is though... come 2017 we are losing Young, Artis, Jeter and Jones... and that is maybe half our rotation... and THAT is the time when Dixon should be bringing in the 4*s to fill those slots.
So, come this time NEXT year.... that is when we will get to see if the program is gonna fall off a cliff.
And Dixon.... better make some noise this year or there will be 4*s that might come but will not be impressed by our performance. Has not been up to previous standards the last 4 years.
The thing is.... come next year we already will have Wilson (4* recruit), Milligan, Jones and Cam Johnson as guards... and if Chris Jones is not starting at SG this year he will probably be starting there as a senior.
It's really hard to bring in top recruits when you already have players entrenched in those positions... and although some posters would like to bring in 5* one and done trojan horses.... that is not the right way to go.
So, for now, development projects. Yeah, if Clark only had 2 years left IMO this would be a questionable pickup... but he has 3 years left and that is enough time for him to develop.
The thing is though... come 2017 we are losing Young, Artis, Jeter and Jones... and that is maybe half our rotation... and THAT is the time when Dixon should be bringing in the 4*s to fill those slots.
So, come this time NEXT year.... that is when we will get to see if the program is gonna fall off a cliff.
And Dixon.... better make some noise this year or there will be 4*s that might come but will not be impressed by our performance. Has not been up to previous standards the last 4 years.
My impression is that Clark came into this wanting to redshirt and play three years at the next stop on his own ... Which is why he moved so quickly to commit and now sign in the fall instead of waiting until the spring. Who knows, maybe JD put that bug in his ear.
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