Pitt 29 in this early preseason
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Seems fair. Had they shown up against UM in the first half and won their bowl game against Navy, they likely would have been in the Top 25.
before people jump off a cliff, 8-5 with this year's schedule and loss of Boyd would be a pretty solid success.
8-5 would be a great year given the schedule in a very much rebuild year. This years schedule has Clemson (#5 preseason and played in the NC game), UNC (#18 Preseason), Oklahoma St (#22 Preseason), and then you add Miami (8-5 last year, but dropped a bad coach in Golden for a really good one in Richt), Duke (8-5), then VT and Virginia both brought in heavy-hitter coaches in Fuente and Mendenhall), and then you throw a 10-3 Marshall on the non-conference slate with the previously mentioned Oklahoma St. Also expect GT to bounce back to a .500 team, Johnson is a good coach down there.
8-5 at this point in rebuilding the talent level is another good step in the right direction to building the program...and recruiting would be very well in that scenario.
8-5 at this point in rebuilding the talent level is another good step in the right direction to building the program...and recruiting would be very well in that scenario.
Also PSU on next years schedule. Regardless of what we all think of them, they will have talent and it will be a huge game for both teams. Next years schedule is definitely daunting, and I would be more than satisfied with 8-5 and a PSU win. If that happens, I think PN will take recruiting to another level next year, say top 15/20 range.
I agree as well, I would always like at least one more win though, so although the schedule is crazy hard and we have a lot of young guys and no real receiving threat, I will say 9-4 is the metric
Way too early to set a metric. Duke just lost their QB with an Achilles rupture so I think that game suddenly looks a lot different. But I think there will be a tendency to inflate expectations this fall. I think nine wins is doable but it will depend a lot on how fast some of the young players on the defense transition to the college game.
yes, you nailed it. objectively speaking anything over 6 wins would be pretty good.
PSU is one of the weaker teams on the slate next year. Above Nova for sure, but that same tier with GT and Virginia. If we lose to PSU next year, we have bigger issues given they have a lot of new gaps to fill and not the brightest of field generals in Franklin.
This just released from ESPN…….
Now here is a look at our Way-Too-Early ACC power rankings post-signing day.
1. Clemson: Hard to take the Tigers out of the top spot considering the proven players that return on offense, starting with Watson.
2. Florida State: The Seminoles are an absolute playoff contender with Cook leading the way.
3. Louisville: With 18 starters back, expectations are soaring for the Cards.
4. North Carolina: The Tar Heels don't plan on going anywhere after winning the Coastal Division in 2015.
5. Miami: Mark Richt signed the No. 19 class in the country as he tries to get the Canes into their first ACC championship game behind quarterback Brad Kaaya.
6. Pitt: Coach Pat Narduzzi closed well on signing day, adding to a team that surprised some with its eight-win season in 2015.
7. Virginia Tech: The Hokies didn't make huge headlines on signing day, and now have questions to answer at quarterback.
8. Duke: Coach David Cutcliffe signed the best class in school history, with four ESPN 300 prospects who could be difference-makers early.
9. Georgia Tech: The Jackets return Justin Thomas but need to cure what ailed the offensive and defensive lines last season.
10. NC State: This is a crucial season for coach Dave Doeren, whose team moves forward without Jacoby Brissett leading the way.
11. Virginia: Bronco Mendenhall and his staff have been social media stars. Can they make the Hoos exciting to watch again?
12. Wake Forest: Will this be the year the Deacs get out of the basement?
13. Boston College: The Eagles have a new offensive coordinator and an entirely revamped defensive staff. Will they be able to get them back to a bowl?
14. Syracuse: Plenty of work ahead for new coach Dino Babers, especially on offense.
Now here is a look at our Way-Too-Early ACC power rankings post-signing day.
Nova W
UPS W (Loss would really sting)
OSU L
UNC L (they return a lot and beat us handily here. their back up QB is as good as Williams)
Marshal W
GT W
UVA W
VT W
Miami L
Clemson L (moral victory if they keep it within 2 TDs)
DUke W
Cuse W
An 8 and 4 season seems reasonable. We beat DUke, Cuse, VT and GT on the road and should be able to repeat at home. UVA stinks so a win there is feasible. 7-5 would be a bit disappointing depending upon who we won and lost to and also the injury situation.
Finish 9 and 4 and next years class should really help set up the program for a big run down the road.
UPS W (Loss would really sting)
OSU L
UNC L (they return a lot and beat us handily here. their back up QB is as good as Williams)
Marshal W
GT W
UVA W
VT W
Miami L
Clemson L (moral victory if they keep it within 2 TDs)
DUke W
Cuse W
An 8 and 4 season seems reasonable. We beat DUke, Cuse, VT and GT on the road and should be able to repeat at home. UVA stinks so a win there is feasible. 7-5 would be a bit disappointing depending upon who we won and lost to and also the injury situation.
Finish 9 and 4 and next years class should really help set up the program for a big run down the road.
7-5 next season is a "Push"
We have a very tough schedule and will be playing a ton of underclassmen.
-the secondary and LBs development will be the key to the season- so i see us getting better as the season progresses.
-expect a slightly better bowl due to our good showing in Annapolis.
2017- we will be favored to win our division, and this will be our most favorable schedule:
Home:
YSU
OK State
Rice
Miami
UNC
UVA
NC State
Road:
Duke
GTech
VTech
Cuse
We have a very tough schedule and will be playing a ton of underclassmen.
-the secondary and LBs development will be the key to the season- so i see us getting better as the season progresses.
-expect a slightly better bowl due to our good showing in Annapolis.
2017- we will be favored to win our division, and this will be our most favorable schedule:
Home:
YSU
OK State
Rice
Miami
UNC
UVA
NC State
Road:
Duke
GTech
VTech
Cuse
This season is a huge unknown, we could easily lose most games or win most games. Each week is going to be a brawl. I think the second year behind narduzzi is key and we win most games. Biggest concern is lack of receiving threat. I wonder if George hill plays slot, we need athletes to get the ball to.
Agreed.
8 wins is the minimum.
The schedule is largely the same.
Villanova = ysu.
Marshall is better than Akron, but Pitt still needs to beat teams like this.
As far as I'm concerned, Clemson, Ok St, and psu = Notre Dame, Iowa, Louisville.
Syracuse and the Coastal is the same.
So, Pitt should beat Ysu, Marshall, and Syracuse.
That's 3 wins.
To get to 8, all Pitt needs is go 5-4 against everyone else.
That's it. 1 game over .500
People who think 8 wins minimum next year are crazy. This roster is not exactly all that great and will be again starting a lot of younger players, although more talented ones than what was left behind for Narduzzi. This is pretty much a rebuilding year that also happens with a schedule that will be a pretty tough one by all standards. I said this before last season that 2017 was going to be a pretty big rebuilding year. Now Narduzzi exceeding expectations in year one getting his system in here, some of the transfer players that fit what he wants, and developing to the best extent he could some of the remaining players.
The good thing is we return much of the OL (actually will probably improve with JJS coming back Oneil a year under his belt, etc. Peterman has a year starting experience, though Boyd will not be there and somehow some unknown receivers need to step up. Running back is still good both in terms of depth and quality (especially if Conner comes back to some level, though Ollison and Hall did very well as freshmen last year). On defense, a lot returns and additional talent added in recruiting could see the field and have an impact like Whitehead did. Also add a monster in Tennessee transfer Hendrix, who is going to blow up in year one.
So I could see anywhere between 6-6 and 9-3 next year. Anything 8 or more should be exceeding expectations in year 2 with this schedule and roster.
The good thing is we return much of the OL (actually will probably improve with JJS coming back Oneil a year under his belt, etc. Peterman has a year starting experience, though Boyd will not be there and somehow some unknown receivers need to step up. Running back is still good both in terms of depth and quality (especially if Conner comes back to some level, though Ollison and Hall did very well as freshmen last year). On defense, a lot returns and additional talent added in recruiting could see the field and have an impact like Whitehead did. Also add a monster in Tennessee transfer Hendrix, who is going to blow up in year one.
So I could see anywhere between 6-6 and 9-3 next year. Anything 8 or more should be exceeding expectations in year 2 with this schedule and roster.
Pretty accurate, but I might have Miami and UNC still ahead of Louisville. Possibly even Pitt, I think the Panthers and the 'Ville are pretty level with each other coming into this season.This just released from ESPN…….
Now here is a look at our Way-Too-Early ACC power rankings post-signing day.
1. Clemson: Hard to take the Tigers out of the top spot considering the proven players that return on offense, starting with Watson.
2. Florida State: The Seminoles are an absolute playoff contender with Cook leading the way.
3. Louisville: With 18 starters back, expectations are soaring for the Cards.
4. North Carolina: The Tar Heels don't plan on going anywhere after winning the Coastal Division in 2015.
5. Miami: Mark Richt signed the No. 19 class in the country as he tries to get the Canes into their first ACC championship game behind quarterback Brad Kaaya.
6. Pitt: Coach Pat Narduzzi closed well on signing day, adding to a team that surprised some with its eight-win season in 2015.
7. Virginia Tech: The Hokies didn't make huge headlines on signing day, and now have questions to answer at quarterback.
8. Duke: Coach David Cutcliffe signed the best class in school history, with four ESPN 300 prospects who could be difference-makers early.
9. Georgia Tech: The Jackets return Justin Thomas but need to cure what ailed the offensive and defensive lines last season.
10. NC State: This is a crucial season for coach Dave Doeren, whose team moves forward without Jacoby Brissett leading the way.
11. Virginia: Bronco Mendenhall and his staff have been social media stars. Can they make the Hoos exciting to watch again?
12. Wake Forest: Will this be the year the Deacs get out of the basement?
13. Boston College: The Eagles have a new offensive coordinator and an entirely revamped defensive staff. Will they be able to get them back to a bowl?
14. Syracuse: Plenty of work ahead for new coach Dino Babers, especially on offense.
Everybody loses someone of significance.
But your post shows that Pitt is losing less than most.
You need results at this point to have another signing day like the one last week.
Eight wins is needed for that. 5-4 in the real games will get you that. Not really asking for much.
That's pretty bold. Williams accounted for 99 total TDs (61 passing, 35 rushing, and 3 receiving). Sorry if I'm a little hesitant to anoint the next QB up as an equal caliber player.
Hendrix and Edwards are going to be strong additions, if we can get a significant increase in pass rush that will go a long way. I wonder what the odds of moving price to olb are? Slim I know but he wouldn't be an end at the next level would he and besides are we a better team with him at olb or de?
Who would you want to start? Hendrix, Edwards at de and price and Pugh at olb or Hendrix and price at de and Bradley/Caprara at olb?
Who would you want to start? Hendrix, Edwards at de and price and Pugh at olb or Hendrix and price at de and Bradley/Caprara at olb?
Edwards certainly looks the part, he just needs to prove that he can handle his responsibilities mentally. Price could be interesting at OLB, but I worry about him in pass coverage.
If he is a very good coach he shouldn't be 6-6 against this schedule.
This:
"9nationalchampionships, post: 956763, member: 3376"]This just released from ESPN…….
Now here is a look at our Way-Too-Early ACC power rankings post-signing day.
1. Clemson: Hard to take the Tigers out of the top spot considering the proven players that return on offense, starting with Watson.
2. Florida State: The Seminoles are an absolute playoff contender with Cook leading the way.
3. Louisville: With 18 starters back, expectations are soaring for the Cards.
4. North Carolina: The Tar Heels don't plan on going anywhere after winning the Coastal Division in 2015.
5. Miami: Mark Richt signed the No. 19 class in the country as he tries to get the Canes into their first ACC championship game behind quarterback Brad Kaaya.
6. Pitt: Coach Pat Narduzzi closed well on signing day, adding to a team that surprised some with its eight-win season in 2015.
7. Virginia Tech: The Hokies didn't make huge headlines on signing day, and now have questions to answer at quarterback.
8. Duke: Coach David Cutcliffe signed the best class in school history, with four ESPN 300 prospects who could be difference-makers early.
9. Georgia Tech: The Jackets return Justin Thomas but need to cure what ailed the offensive and defensive lines last season.
10. NC State: This is a crucial season for coach Dave Doeren, whose team moves forward without Jacoby Brissett leading the way.
11. Virginia: Bronco Mendenhall and his staff have been social media stars. Can they make the Hoos exciting to watch again?
12. Wake Forest: Will this be the year the Deacs get out of the basement?
13. Boston College: The Eagles have a new offensive coordinator and an entirely revamped defensive staff. Will they be able to get them back to a bowl?
14. Syracuse: Plenty of work ahead for new coach Dino Babers, especially on offense.[/QUOTE]
I would put Syracuse ahead of Wake & BC and agree with everything else, good early analysis.
Now here is a look at our Way-Too-Early ACC power rankings post-signing day.
I would put Syracuse ahead of Wake & BC and agree with everything else, good early analysis.
I'm just glad Marquise Williams is gone. That guy had our number. We have a real shot to win the Coastal this season. I like how we match up against our tough non-conference matchup OK State. The added speed in the secondary should help. Clemson is very very good and Coach Duzz will need an incredible game plan to pull the upset. The other games range from toss ups to gimmes.
"Malachi Constant, post: 969518, member: 6831"]I'm just glad Marquise Williams is gone. That guy had our number.
I disagree a tad. No question you are correct Marquise played very good in UNC-PITT games. Yet, Pitt Players on Offense under Coach Paul Chryst actually played better, but it Chryst's Special Teams that gave up TDS and lost leads in Games they had won. Marquise was the reason we lost as much as Chryst's Special Teams.
Credit must go to UNC Coach Fedora that rebuilt the UNC Team into 10+ Winning Team too. Coach Narduzzi Team never gave up but Pitt Players Execution came up short and Pitt was in the end game until the end.
Coach Fedora continues to recruit Top Talent and he has been a Very Good Head Coach for more years. Still Coach Narduzzi in his first year and with less talent did OK as far as I am concern. Others can differ.
We have a real shot to win the Coastal this season. I like how we match up against our tough non-conference matchup OK State.
Agree!
The added speed in the secondary should help. Clemson is very very good and Coach Duzz will need an incredible game plan to pull the upset. The other games range from toss ups to gimmes.
Yep, and we will know how far Coach Narduzzi & Staff & Pitt Players are from being a NCS Team Contender when they play Clemson? It begins winning the Coastal and I think that will be hard to do too, but can be done!
We shall see?
I disagree a tad. No question you are correct Marquise played very good in UNC-PITT games. Yet, Pitt Players on Offense under Coach Paul Chryst actually played better, but it Chryst's Special Teams that gave up TDS and lost leads in Games they had won. Marquise was the reason we lost as much as Chryst's Special Teams.
Credit must go to UNC Coach Fedora that rebuilt the UNC Team into 10+ Winning Team too. Coach Narduzzi Team never gave up but Pitt Players Execution came up short and Pitt was in the end game until the end.
Coach Fedora continues to recruit Top Talent and he has been a Very Good Head Coach for more years. Still Coach Narduzzi in his first year and with less talent did OK as far as I am concern. Others can differ.
We have a real shot to win the Coastal this season. I like how we match up against our tough non-conference matchup OK State.
Agree!
The added speed in the secondary should help. Clemson is very very good and Coach Duzz will need an incredible game plan to pull the upset. The other games range from toss ups to gimmes.
Yep, and we will know how far Coach Narduzzi & Staff & Pitt Players are from being a NCS Team Contender when they play Clemson? It begins winning the Coastal and I think that will be hard to do too, but can be done!
We shall see?
