Pitt Basketball Poll 3/2/22

[PittPoker]

I say they're both out of here.

I know some think if Capel is back Hugley will stay but I don't think so.

I see them both getting the hell out of town.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I think they're both gone, but for different reasons. Could be staring at 0-20 at that point. Then you could add a new prank on Devil's Night: Instead of leaving a bag of flaming dog feces on someone's doorstep, leave two Pitt basketball tickets. You'll never see a person so mad.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

John will be back. He and Chet like Capel. Femi has a free transfer and 50% of all NCAA players transfer at least once so I could see that.

 

[Duneaux Harm]

I do not really care. There is nobody worth keeping on this team or staff. You could literally hire any guy off the street to coach and find players equally as good for next season. The upside would be is that this new team might actually improve.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I hope Nike replaces Femi. We need John to avoid 0-20 type stuff.

 

[pierre93]

I say they're both out of here.

I know some think if Capel is back Hugley will stay but I don't think so.

I see them both getting the hell out of town.

Don't bet on it

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I guess Femi staying would be good in that I have little to no confidence that Capel would even get an equal replacement. But if we want good teams we need a helluva lot better than Femi for the minutes played. He’d be a decent depth piece on a good team but he’s in over his head right now.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I guess Femi staying would be good in that I have little to no confidence that Capel would even get an equal replacement. But if we want good teams we need a helluva lot better than Femi for the minutes played. He’d be a decent depth piece on a good team but he’s in over his head right now.

I'd almost rather see 0-20 than 6-14 next year. If he's truly not going to start turning the program around, I'd rather Capel leave no doubt in even his more ardent supporters.

I guess we'll see what he does with this '23 class and the '22 transfers who have a few years of eligibility left. I guess Barnes Jr. is a decent start (I'm really not sure). But if he's not able to add to that significantly, then I'll pull for whatever it takes to bring in someone who can.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Really how can you be a Pitt fan wanting the program to fall 100% apart ? Your wishing that the better players on this team leave so Heather fires JC . Then whose she hiring ?

I know anyones better than JC is going to be your answer , but really with no players Pitt would be looking at KS yr 2 all over again . What an attractive selling point !

What I’m hoping for is that JC finds a pg , a wing and a Mo replacement in the portal and they win 12 games in the ACC and he signs some quality hs players in the early signing period . Dream big !

For the life of me I couldn’t imagine any desirable up and comer HC wanting to risk his career taking this job and no established HC is going to leave his job to take the Pitt job . Pitt best of hope of playing winning bb anytime soon lies with with JC finding his way .

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I say they're both out of here.

I know some think if Capel is back Hugley will stay but I don't think so.

I see them both getting the hell out of town.

Yep. Femi? Don't really care. Hugley, he is just getting beat up and has no help, less so next year with no Mo. He can't be having any fun.

 

[pierre93]

Really how can you be a Pitt fan wanting the program to fall 100% apart ? Your wishing that the better players on this team leave so Heather fires JC . Then whose she hiring ?

I know anyones better than JC is going to be your answer , but really with no players Pitt would be looking at KS yr 2 all over again . What an attractive selling point !

What I’m hoping for is that JC finds a pg , a wing and a Mo replacement in the portal and they win 12 games in the ACC and he signs some quality hs players in the early signing period . Dream big !

For the life of me I couldn’t imagine any desirable up and comer HC wanting to risk his career taking this job and no established HC is going to leave his job to take the Pitt job . Pitt best of hope of playing winning bb anytime soon lies with with JC finding his way .

Please don't reply to these trolls. It's attention seeking behaviors. I'd never root against Pitt and to continue their rants just goes to show how shallow and immature they are. I know one poster has a hidden agenda which is typical of a napoleon complex.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Really how can you be a Pitt fan wanting the program to fall 100% apart ? Your wishing that the better players on this team leave so Heather fires JC . Then whose she hiring ?

I know anyones better than JC is going to be your answer , but really with no players Pitt would be looking at KS yr 2 all over again . What an attractive selling point !

What I’m hoping for is that JC finds a pg , a wing and a Mo replacement in the portal and they win 12 games in the ACC and he signs some quality hs players in the early signing period . Dream big !

For the life of me I couldn’t imagine any desirable up and comer HC wanting to risk his career taking this job and no established HC is going to leave his job to take the Pitt job . Pitt best of hope of playing winning bb anytime soon lies with with JC finding his way .

For the 1,000th time, new coaches often have a huge advantage in that they are able to sell hope. Capel himself has benefited from this. X, Trey, Toney, Champagnie, Hugley, Drumgoole, Femi, and Jeffres in two consecutive classes is not a bad haul at all, even though I realize it didn't translate to much success here and some of them haven't developed much.

But when you have a coach who both sucks AND isn't fooling anybody on the recruiting trail, then you're really screwed.

Hey, my first choice would be to bring in two stud transfers in this class, have a great season, and load up on '23 recruits. But I don't want to be in a situation where we still aren't very good and help still isn't on the way.

 

[pierre93]

Yep. Femi? Don't really care. Hugley, he is just getting beat up and has no help, less so next year with no Mo. He can't be having any fun.

On cue proved my point clever guy. How's the HOF coach?

 

[thebadby2]

John will be back. He and Chet like Capel. Femi has a free transfer and 50% of all NCAA players transfer at least once so I could see that.

Hugs is skilled. He would be a nice piece on a well-constructed roster where he doesn't have the burden of being the only frontcourt scoring option and post-defender. I could see him at an OSU, Dayton, or similar.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'd almost rather see 0-20 than 6-14 next year. If he's truly not going to start turning the program around, I'd rather Capel leave no doubt in even his more ardent supporters.

I guess we'll see what he does with this '23 class and the '22 transfers who have a few years of eligibility left. I guess Barnes Jr. is a decent start (I'm really not sure). But if he's not able to add to that significantly, then I'll pull for whatever it takes to bring in someone who can.

He is 1 million percent gone at 6-14. Unless maybe if he has some unreal class coming in but that aint happening

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

For the 1,000th time, new coaches often have a huge advantage in that they are able to sell hope. Capel himself has benefited from this. X, Trey, Toney, Champagnie, Hugley, Drumgoole, Femi, and Jeffres in two consecutive classes is not a bad haul at all, even though I realize it didn't translate to much success here and some of them haven't developed much.

But when you have a coach who both sucks AND isn't fooling anybody on the recruiting trail, then you're really screwed.

Hey, my first choice would be to bring in two stud transfers in this class, have a great season, and load up on '23 recruits. But I don't want to be in a situation where we still aren't very good and help still isn't on the way.

Capel couldn't sell hope.

His first full recruiting class, which should be one of your best, was putrid.

Champagnie (good find but not highly rated)
Drumgoole
Coulibaly
Murphy

We are where we are BECAUSE his 1st full class was a failure

 

[thebadby2]

Really how can you be a Pitt fan wanting the program to fall 100% apart ? Your wishing that the better players on this team leave so Heather fires JC . Then whose she hiring ?

I know anyones better than JC is going to be your answer , but really with no players Pitt would be looking at KS yr 2 all over again . What an attractive selling point !

What I’m hoping for is that JC finds a pg , a wing and a Mo replacement in the portal and they win 12 games in the ACC and he signs some quality hs players in the early signing period . Dream big !

For the life of me I couldn’t imagine any desirable up and comer HC wanting to risk his career taking this job and no established HC is going to leave his job to take the Pitt job . Pitt best of hope of playing winning bb anytime soon lies with with JC finding his way .

It's a full ground-up rebuild, starting with the culture and identity of the program. Right now it has neither, other than losing. Kind of reminds me of that stupid inspirational fridge magnet: "whatever you are, try to be a good one." This program doesn't know what it is, and the rebuild needs to start there. The next coach needs to come in with a defined philosophy and a strong idea of what he wants the program to look like, and start building from there.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Capel couldn't sell hope.

His first full recruiting class, which should be one of your best, was putrid.

Champagnie (good find but not highly rated)
Drumgoole
Coulibaly
Murphy

We are where we are BECAUSE his 1st full class was a failure

Eh, that's a reductive viewpoint.

2018: Trey, XJ, Toney - Class Rank 32

2019: Drumgoole, Coulibaly, Champagnie, Murphy - Class Rank 49

2020: Hugley, Jeffres, Odukale, Amadasun, Collier - Class Rank 30

You can absolutely win at this program recruiting an average class ranking of 37. We win recruiting at that level in football, where that ranking is much less impressive because there are 1/3 the amount of teams.

If Toney and Champagnie returned (and got along), we'd be better. If either one of them returned, we'd be better. If we were able to get through to Xavier Johnson and he was still on the team and playing accordingly, we'd be better. If we landed Efton Reid, we'd be better. If we pursued/landed Posh Alexander and Champagnie's brother, we'd be better. If we actually approached the last recruiting cycle like it mattered beyond Efton Reid, we'd be better. This list goes on, but it's really a series of things that has us where we are now, as opposed to striking out on one class. The classes above more or less prove he was selling hope. He couldn't recruit like that now.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

For the 1,000th time, new coaches often have a huge advantage in that they are able to sell hope. Capel himself has benefited from this. X, Trey, Toney, Champagnie, Hugley, Drumgoole, Femi, and Jeffres in two consecutive classes is not a bad haul at all, even though I realize it didn't translate to much success here and some of them haven't developed much.

But when you have a coach who both sucks AND isn't fooling anybody on the recruiting trail, then you're really screwed.

Hey, my first choice would be to bring in two stud transfers in this class, have a great season, and load up on '23 recruits. But I don't want to be in a situation where we still aren't very good and help still isn't on the way.

In other words, at some point the rubber meets the road. And Capel his first two years could sell a vision and like you said hope, but in year's 3 and 4 it never manifested and players left and well...here we are.

 

[sonofabit]

Adding to the disappointment of the ‘19 class is that inroads weren’t established with Drumgoole’s prep team, NYC recruiting, and the Coulibaly foreign connection element that FSU seemed to have among others. Of course Pitt would get the wrong Murphy instead of waiting like VaTech for the right Murphy thru transfer. Looks like Cleveland Brush may be the only pipeline sorta connecting. I don’t follow HS recruiting too much so please add some sense to Pitt’s lack of recruiting.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

In other words, at some point the rubber meets the road. And Capel his first two years could sell a vision and like you said hope, but in year's 3 and 4 it never manifested and players left and well...here we are.

That's the way I see it anyway. It's not just "Oh we suck, so we can never be good again unless we hire one of the ten guarantee coaches who exist in the world."

I mean, Georgia Tech football was 5-6, 7-6, and 3-9 the three years prior to Collins bringing in that top 25ish class in his first full cycle. But, after two more 3-win seasons, it's no surprise that their most recent class was back down to 53. It was also small, so that may not be the greatest example, but I'm sure I could find 150 more.

Capel was holding his head above water those first two years. Took over an 8-24 team and went 14-19 and then 16-17 with a seeming young core of talent. But once most of those guys leave and you put two more shitty seasons on the books, well... you're turning into a pumpkin after that.

Time for us to sort of restart the cycle, in my opinion. Although I wouldn't do it until the buyout becomes more digestible next year.

 

[Dointhatrag]

The only way to get a quick fix at this point is to bring in a Pitino and see what he can do with the transfer portal. Although he is 70 and only has a few years at most left.

 

[gary2]

Eh, that's a reductive viewpoint.

2018: Trey, XJ, Toney - Class Rank 32

2019: Drumgoole, Coulibaly, Champagnie, Murphy - Class Rank 49

2020: Hugley, Jeffres, Odukale, Amadasun, Collier - Class Rank 30

You can absolutely win at this program recruiting an average class ranking of 37. We win recruiting at that level in football, where that ranking is much less impressive because there are 1/3 the amount of teams.

If Toney and Champagnie returned (and got along), we'd be better. If either one of them returned, we'd be better. If we were able to get through to Xavier Johnson and he was still on the team and playing accordingly, we'd be better. If we landed Efton Reid, we'd be better. If we pursued/landed Posh Alexander and Champagnie's brother, we'd be better. If we actually approached the last recruiting cycle like it mattered beyond Efton Reid, we'd be better. This list goes on, but it's really a series of things that has us where we are now, as opposed to striking out on one class. The classes above more or less prove he was selling hope. He couldn't recruit like that now.

I think that is right

 

[Atch]

I think they're both gone, but for different reasons. Could be staring at 0-20 at that point. Then you could add a new prank on Devil's Night: Instead of leaving a bag of flaming dog feces on someone's doorstep, leave two Pitt basketball tickets. You'll never see a person so mad.

I left my windows down when I was parked on Forbes Avenue with two tickets on the dash board hoping someone would steal them. When I returned to my car, their was four more tickets. I was the loser that day.