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They can’t be real happy w/ where their program is right now. Too many resources and too much talent to be at the bottom of the conference.
 
These are 2 bad teams, neither team can shoot. JC cried about the loss of Nike and Horton. But NCST actually had a major impact loss in Bates. He doesn’t put up big numbers. But he is the best rim protector in the ACC, last year lead the conference in blocks.

I wouldn’t bet on this game because anything can happen with these 2 bad teams. But I feel Pitt can physically beat up NCST up front and in the backcourt as they have the skinniest guards in the nation haha. Those guards can play Seaborn & Smith but the Smith kid is literally 145 pounds. If JC were smart he would have our physical guards put him on the block especially Burton who knows how to work out of the post.
 
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These are 2 bad teams, neither team can shoot. JC cried about the loss of Nike and Horton. But NCST actually had a major impact loss in Bates. He doesn’t put up big numbers. But he is the best rim protector in the ACC, last year lead the conference in blocks.

I wouldn’t bet on this game because anything can happen with these 2 bad teams. But I feel Pitt can physically beat up NCST up front and in the backcourt as they have the skinniest guards in the nation haha. Those guards can play Seaborn & Smith but the Smith kid is literally 145 pounds. If JC were smart he would have our physical guards put him on the block especially Burton who knows how to work out of the post.
Not making a prediction but…

I have seen NC State carve our defense up and get anything they want on more than one occasion. I realize that most of those players are gone, but the coaching staff remains.

I expect them to score 70+

Can Pitt score at that level? I have not really seen evidence of that.
 
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When was the last time Pitt won back to back games? Given that, I am shocked we are favored.
 
When was the last time Pitt won back to back games? Given that, I am shocked we are favored.
Looks like JC has won back to back ACC games just once every season he has been here. Maybe NCST is this years once… but I wouldn’t count on it
 
We haven't beaten NC State since our very first ACC game 8 years ago and I don't see that streak ending any time soon.
 
I took the under in an attempt to hit an impossible parlay
 
If past history against NCS means anything, we will lose.
 
FanDuel is Pitt -1
Bet MGM is Pitt -1.5

DraftKings actually started with Pitt -1, but now is Pitt +1.
Opening lines reflect what the computers tell them. Then, the line adjusts based on where the money is being bet. Pitt by 1 initially makes sense that way. (As an example--Sagarin's "recent" rating has Pitt by about 2 while his other 3 ratings have NC State by a little less than 1--- so averaging things the difference is you get Pitt by about 1. Overall his computer gives Pitt a 51% chance to win.0

When more money is being bet on NC State, the numbers change to make it less advantageous to pick NC State and encourage more money to be bet on the Pitt side. All this is being done to protect the house's money.
 
Not making a prediction but…

I have seen NC State carve our defense up and get anything they want on more than one occasion. I realize that most of those players are gone, but the coaching staff remains.

I expect them to score 70+

Can Pitt score at that level? I have not really seen evidence of that.
Wrong again
 
Opening lines reflect what the computers tell them. Then, the line adjusts based on where the money is being bet. Pitt by 1 initially makes sense that way. (As an example--Sagarin's "recent" rating has Pitt by about 2 while his other 3 ratings have NC State by a little less than 1--- so averaging things the difference is you get Pitt by about 1. Overall his computer gives Pitt a 51% chance to win.0

When more money is being bet on NC State, the numbers change to make it less advantageous to pick NC State and encourage more money to be bet on the Pitt side. All this is being done to protect the house's money.

This isn’t how it works
 
This isn’t how it works
Usually how it works. Sometimes the House has inside information that causes them to be willing to take a strong position.

The House them uses the numbers in the line to motivate people to bet the opposite side. (And lose )
 
Well we just don't beat NC ST. That said, they usually have at least a couple shooters and consirably more talent than us. That is not true this year. This league has really sunk talent wise the last couple years. Should be a good battle between bottom feeders. I wouldn't touch this game with that line either.
 
Usually how it works.


No, it isn't.

Public money doesn't really move the line. Money from sharps moves the line. If the books have 60% of their money on Pitt but all the sharp money is on NC State then the books are not going to move the line and give the sharps a chance to get more money on the game at an even more favorable number.

The books would rather be on the 40% side with the smart money than change the odds to try to make it 50-50 and end up on the opposite side of the smart money.
 
No, it isn't.

Public money doesn't really move the line. Money from sharps moves the line. If the books have 60% of their money on Pitt but all the sharp money is on NC State then the books are not going to move the line and give the sharps a chance to get more money on the game at an even more favorable number.

The books would rather be on the 40% side with the smart money than change the odds to try to make it 50-50 and end up on the opposite side of the smart money.
My point was sometimes the House takes a stake. Generally they are OK living off the big.
 
My point was sometimes the House takes a stake. Generally they are OK living off the big.


Well you said that it was usually how it works, when it's not usually how it works. And they may be OK living off the vig, but that isn't what they are trying to do with line movements. With line movements they care a lot more about who is betting on each side than with the total amounts bet on each side, with a very few exceptions (like the Super Bowl).
 
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Well you said that it was usually how it works, when it's not usually how it works. And they may be OK living off the vig, but that isn't what they are trying to do with line movements. With line movements they care a lot more about who is betting on each side than with the total amounts bet on each side, with a very few exceptions (like the Super Bowl).
Well, even the Super Bowl isn't immune to this. If you believe the %of money and %of bets numbers that are put out, there is much heavier action of the Rams. However, the line hasn't really moved. It's ticked up to 4.5 a couple times, then back down to 4.
 
Well, even the Super Bowl isn't immune to this. If you believe the %of money and %of bets numbers that are put out, there is much heavier action of the Rams. However, the line hasn't really moved. It's ticked up to 4.5 a couple times, then back down to 4.
Always take those % of money/bets numbers with a grain of salt. There are absolutely no regulations saying individual books have to report any of this information or even report it truthfully if they choose to do so.
 
Well, even the Super Bowl isn't immune to this. If you believe the %of money and %of bets numbers that are put out, there is much heavier action of the Rams. However, the line hasn't really moved. It's ticked up to 4.5 a couple times, then back down to 4.


The difference with the Super Bowl though is that there is just so much money bet on the game that if the books had a 60-40 split or something like that then their exposure is huge. If they've got a 60-40 split on some random Pitt basketball game, not so much.
 
The difference with the Super Bowl though is that there is just so much money bet on the game that if the books had a 60-40 split or something like that then their exposure is huge. If they've got a 60-40 split on some random Pitt basketball game, not so much.
William Hill in Nevada was at 4.5 for days and as part of some publicity thing went to 3.5 for 24 hours. That’s just really, really stupid. All it does is get a ton of money on the Rams and set them up for absolute disaster if the game lands on 4.

When they morphed into Caesars they fired Nick Bogdanovich, who was one of last real bookmakers left in town. There is no way he ever would’ve agreed to that, it is a massive risk for very little reward.
 
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