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Pitt Football Team Still Looking For Right Man At No. 2 Wide Receiver, LINK!

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Pitt wide receivers coach Kevin Sherman often marvels at the athleticism of his star pupil. Tyler Boyd's smooth stride is accompanied by elite speed. His hands are big enough to catch a football in traffic and away from his body. At 6-foot-2, 200 pounds, he's tough enough to take a pounding from the defense.


But Sherman knows this: Boyd isn't Superman.
“We are going to have to give him a blow,” Sherman said. “We can't play him all 60-whatever plays.” That raises the ever-present question surrounding the Pitt receiving corps: Who will step up and become a threat when Boyd can't escape the inevitable double teams?


Three names always emerge when a Pitt coach or player is asked about complementary receivers: junior Dontez Ford, redshirt freshman Elijah Zeise and sophomore Zach Challingsworth. Zeise, in fact, was the first name that came to Boyd's mind when he was asked the question.
“He's come a long way since his freshman year,” Boyd said. Boyd also mentioned Ford, the other starting receiver. Plus, Boyd always has been a Challingsworth fan, raving about the South Fayette graduate as far back as bowl practice after the 2013 regular season.


Sherman, of course, won't reveal his favorite — if he even has one — merely pleading for consistency from all his players.
“We're going to need all of them,” he said. “It all starts this week at Iowa in a hostile environment.” Kinnick Stadium rocking with the noise from 80,000 people won't make the task any easier. This season, against lightweights Youngstown State and Akron, no wide receiver recorded a catch in both games.


Boyd leads the team with 11 receptions — 65 percent of the wide receivers' total (17) — even though he was suspended for the opener. Tight end J.P. Holtz and backup running back Darrin Hall are second with three each. The next wide receivers on the list are Zeise and freshman Quadree Henderson (two each).


Sherman mentioned another freshman, Apollo-Ridge's Tre Tipton, as a player who might have earned more playing time.
“He's getting better each week.” Sherman said. “He's starting to see different things.” While the search continues for depth at wide receiver, the loss of injured running back James Conner could force Pitt to rely on Boyd more than ever. “I trust all the rest of the guys, but losing James was a huge loss for us,” said Boyd, pointing out he thinks Qadree Ollison and Hall are capable replacements. “I guess a lot of teams now are going to just look at me,” he said.


Boyd appears capable of handling the increased responsibility. After all, Sherman said he was impressed with how Boyd approached an even tougher assignment: sitting out the first game.
“He was disappointed, but he understood what was ahead of him, and he accepted it,” he said. “He was there for his teammates and talked to them about stepping up and making plays and being consistent.


“And that's what we're looking for.”
Sherman said Boyd was “a little rusty” early against Akron. “But once he got into a rhythm, he started getting into his comfort zone. He's going to get better each week,” Sherman said.



Notes: Coach Pat Narduzzi said after practice Thursday he has not chosen a starting quarterback between Nate Peterman and Chad Voytik. “It will be a game-time decision,” he said. “We might know before then, but you guys (reporters) won't know.” … He said the quarterback who doesn't start will play, perhaps as early as the third series. After that, “the hot guy will play.” ... Although Narduzzi thinks it's best for Conner to sit out the entire season while recovering from knee surgery, he said he wouldn't stand in his way if he wants to return in 2015. “That's a family decision,” he said. “I hope the family will take into consideration what I feel is best for him. If the doctors and the trainers say 100 percent, and mom and dad and everyone want to go, I wouldn't be opposed. I'm not going to shut down a kid's dream.” ... Narduzzi awarded a scholarship to long snapper Pat Quirin, who has been a walk-on for three-plus seasons since graduating from Central Catholic.


Jerry DiPaola is a staff writer for Trib Total Media. Reach him at jdipaola@tribweb.com or via Twitter @JDiPaola_Trib. Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/9097102-74/boyd-sherman-wide#ixzz3m4CiUBfK
 
To be very honest, we have very little talent at WR besides Boyd. I dont even know how this happened. If you added up all the P5 offers from all the other WRs, there would just be a couple combined. They were all MAC level recruits and so far, none has shown to be any better than that. I am very worried about next year.
 
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To be very honest, we have very little talent at WR besides Boyd. I dont even know how this happened. If you added up all the P5 offers from all the other WRs, there would just be a couple combined. They were all MAC level recruits and so far, none has shown to be any better than that. I am very worried about next year.

Here is a sampling of offers and Pitt WRs. I only included P5 offers (and you can add a Pitt offer to each), although Temple also offered some of these guys, and they just demonstrated they are better than at least some P5 schools:
Dontez Ford - Syracuse (ACC), Vanderbilt (SEC),
Elijah Zeise - Arizona (PAC12), WVU (Big12),
Tre Tipton - Michigan State (BigTen)
Quadree Henderson - Boston College (ACC), Clemson (ACC), Nebraska (BigTen), Rutgers (BigTen), West Virginia (Big12),
Jaquaun Davidson - Illinois (BigTen), West Virginia (Big12)
Manny Stocker - NC State (ACC)
 
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To be very honest, we have very little talent at WR besides Boyd. I dont even know how this happened. If you added up all the P5 offers from all the other WRs, there would just be a couple combined. They were all MAC level recruits and so far, none has shown to be any better than that. I am very worried about next year.
 
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To be very honest, we have very little talent at WR besides Boyd. I dont even know how this happened. If you added up all the P5 offers from all the other WRs, there would just be a couple combined. They were all MAC level recruits and so far, none has shown to be any better than that. I am very worried about next year.
I'm not sure the situation is quite that dire. Some of those kids had offers from good programs. The coaches are high on our youngest WRs, Henderson and Tipton. Q. Henderson is a future impact player in the slot --see MacGarrett Kings at MSU. The biggest problem is our best #2 WRs are all young. Dontez Ford isn't a great talent, but he knows how to play the position. Zeise and Challingsworth have to step up. Maybe Peterman as the trigger man will result in the ball being spread around a bit.

Disappointing that Weah apparently hasn't panned out to this point. He's a hell of an athlete and has a Terrell Owens-type build, but there's a lot more to the job than athleticism.

that said, I agree that it's a need position for recruiting. What we don't seem to have outside of Boyd is any home run hitters--and Boyd draws too much attention as it is to be much of a deep threat. Flowers is a good prospect but he has the look of a possession type receiver as opposed to a deep threat.

We have excellent TEs that should be seeing more throws and and more throws to teh backs--including the fullbacks--will help loosen things up as well.
 
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I'm not sure the situation is quite that dire. Some of those kids had offers from good programs. The coaches are high on our youngest WRs, Henderson and Tipton. Q. Henderson is a future impact player in the slot --see MacGarrett Kings at MSU. The biggest problem is our best #2 WRs are all young. Dontez Ford isn't a great talent, but he knows how to play the position. Zeise and Challingsworth have to step up. Maybe Peterman as the trigger man will result in the ball being spread around a bit.

Disappointing that Weah apparently hasn't panned out to this point. He's a hell of an athlete and has a Terrell Owens-type build, but there's a lot more to the job than athleticism.

that said, I agree that it's a need position for recruiting. What we don't seem to have outside of Boyd is any home run hitters--and Boyd draws too much attention as it is to be much of a deep threat. Flowers is a good prospect but he has the look of a possession type receiver as opposed to a deep threat.

We have excellent TEs that should be seeing more throws and and more throws to teh backs--including the fullbacks--will help loosen things up as well.
Some of those kids had some decent offers but not all the offers were to play WR.
 
Wow. This goalpost keeps moving. We've gone from "all other WRs" combined have "just a couple" of P5 offers (which wasn't accurate) to "not all offers were to play WR" (which is going to be pretty difficult to prove - and most coaches aren't completely honest about that anyway). Wonder where the bar will be set next?
 
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We need Matthews, him and Flowers compete for a starting spot as soon as summer camp starts.. No idea if they will be stars but it's zero exaggeration that both WILL compete and COULD start as true freshman. No way there are many other P5 teams that offer that opportunity. that is how bad our WR group will be next year once boyd goes pro..
 
Wow. This goalpost keeps moving. We've gone from "all other WRs" combined have "just a couple" of P5 offers (which wasn't accurate) to "not all offers were to play WR" (which is going to be pretty difficult to prove - and most coaches aren't completely honest about that anyway). Wonder where the bar will be set next?
How low is the bar you ask? The bar is so low (HOW LOW IS IT?) It is so low that all it took was one catch on an underthrown ball by Ford to catapult him into being our most experienced and talented WR after boyd..
 
Here is a sampling of offers and Pitt WRs:
Dontez Ford - Syracuse (ACC), Vanderbilt (SEC),
Elijah Zeise - Arizona (PAC12), WVU (Big12),
Tre Tipton - Michigan State (BigTen)
Quadree Henderson - Boston College (ACC), Clemson (ACC), Nebraska (BigTen), Rutgers (BigTen), West Virginia (Big12),
Jaquaun Davidson - Illinois (BigTen), West Virginia (Big12)
Manny Stocker - NC State (ACC)

Where are all the crybabies? Why isn't anyone responding to PantherRJ's post?
Our WR's had a TON of P5 offers --
But the crybabies simply ignore the facts and just keep CRYING
little Bitc$es make me sick
 
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How low is the bar you ask? The bar is so low (HOW LOW IS IT?) It is so low that all it took was one catch on an underthrown ball by Ford to catapult him into being our most experienced and talented WR after boyd..

OK! So, now we aren't even talking about P5 offers anymore! We have moved the goalpost so far, we have actually moved on a different topic.
Let me ask you something, do you really believe that we don't have a single wide receiver on this team besides Boyd that we could throw a bubble screen to? I don't.
In week 1, we rushed for well over 300 yards. We just didn't pass all that much (given how successful we were running the ball) and completed only 11 passes all day, with about half of those to WRs and the other half were confidence building short passes to the RBs.
As for week 2 with Boyd back in the lineup, anyone who watches football can see that our QBs look to Boyd first and sometimes exclusively. And we love to quickly throw it out to him along the line of scrimmage and give him the opportunity to make something happen (I refer to those as "bubble screens" even though they aren't always technically screens). Many of Boyd's receptions - including his first 3 - were bubble screens. We could certainly run that play with another WR if we wanted to (and it might be a good idea, just to mix things up).
Look, Boyd is a special talent. Our coaches want to get the ball in his hands often and our QBs tend to focus on him first and foremost. But that doesn't mean there is no talent after him.
 
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A big part of the issue is the quarterbacks, as well as the coaches. Anyone really think that the likes of Amendola and Edelman on the NE Pats are world class receivers? Yet they produce as such, because their QB and coaches are so damn good.

All of our second receivers are perfectly adequate athletes. They aren't Boyd but nobody is, and nobody expects them to be. Some claim they can't get open, don't understand routes, but how really true is that?

All of us at some point note plenty of times these guys look open during games. They aren't that hopeless. We need better QB play foremost. Creative play designs, called at the right times to take advantage of fortuitous matchups. A bonus also is consistent pass blocking, so that there is time to go through progressions (if the QBs bother with them).

Realistically we also have to note that the 2nd and 3rd wideouts by definition are NOT going to be first option, hardly ever. In fact on our team, given we have good TEs, they may not even be the second option most of the time. But they can help in other ways ... block well, run smart routes, act as interference to give Boyd space (aka, pick plays). And did I mention block well? Most important, when they DO get a ball thrown their way, gotta make the play, to be seen as a legit alternative.
 
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agree with this. taking this into consideration, to bad the winfree problems were bad. most likely he would have started next year.


To be very honest, we have very little talent at WR besides Boyd. I dont even know how this happened. If you added up all the P5 offers from all the other WRs, there would just be a couple combined. They were all MAC level recruits and so far, none has shown to be any better than that. I am very worried about next year.
 
:p:D:cool:;):)I'm not sure the situation is quite that dire. Some of those kids had offers from good programs. The coaches are high on our youngest WRs, Henderson and Tipton. Q. Henderson is a future impact player in the slot --see MacGarrett Kings at MSU. The biggest problem is our best #2 WRs are all young. Dontez Ford isn't a great talent, but he knows how to play the position. Zeise and Challingsworth have to step up. Maybe Peterman as the trigger man will result in the ball being spread around a bit.

Disappointing that Weah apparently hasn't panned out to this point. He's a hell of an athlete and has a Terrell Owens-type build, but there's a lot more to the job than athleticism.

that said, I agree that it's a need position for recruiting. What we don't seem to have outside of Boyd is any home run hitters--and Boyd draws too much attention as it is to be much of a deep threat. Flowers is a good prospect but he has the look of a possession type receiver as opposed to a deep threat.

We have excellent TEs that should be seeing more throws and and more throws to teh backs--including the fullbacks--will help loosen things up as well.
Agree, the Pitt Wideouts are just lacking experience and Chaney is trying to teach it and develop them into a Complete Unit, but they have the talent. The biggest problem are Chaney is new and using his system, Connor is out, QBs are competing and sharing snaps meaning less execution repeats at practice, adjustments of offensive linemen to both QBs, and even the running backs are rotating? Add in Iowa has experienced Defensive Back, pretty good Defensive Linemen, and their own experienced QB, and Pitt Coaching has a mountain to accomplish to Prep for this Game?

Yet, Pitt does have not 1 but 2 Great Tight Ends, Boyd will need Double Coverage and that is sometimes not enough, Pitt is getting back some Big Linemen from injuries, and our Running Backs are good and ready after learning in the first 2 games? It will not be a problem for Pitt Wideouts. If there is a problem it will be in Defense trying to stop the Iowa's Running Game or Pitt QBs come up confused and not ready?

Pitt has the talent to beat Iowa, but does the Coaching have the Experience to meet the challenge, create a Great Game Plan, and most importantly Execute that Game Plan??????


Baby2 explains it better than me!

My "HEAD" tells me too many "IFS" but I am going with my "HEART" that tells me Coach Pat & Staff "Are It At PITT!'

Just A Hunch!
 
A big part of the issue is the quarterbacks, as well as the coaches. Anyone really think that the likes of Amendola and Edelman on the NE Pats are world class receivers? Yet they produce as such, because their QB and coaches are so damn good.

All of our second receivers are perfectly adequate athletes. They aren't Boyd but nobody is, and nobody expects them to be. Some claim they can't get open, don't understand routes, but how really true is that?

All of us at some point note plenty of times these guys look open during games. They aren't that hopeless. We need better QB play foremost. Creative play designs, called at the right times to take advantage of fortuitous matchups. A bonus also is consistent pass blocking, so that there is time to go through progressions (if the QBs bother with them).

Realistically we also have to note that the 2nd and 3rd wideouts by definition are NOT going to be first option, hardly ever. In fact on our team, given we have good TEs, they may not even be the second option most of the time. But they can help in other ways ... block well, run smart routes, act as interference to give Boyd space (aka, pick plays). And did I mention block well? Most important, when they DO get a ball thrown their way, gotta make the play, to be seen as a legit alternative.
EXCELLENT POST! THANK YOU!!:D
 
OK! So, now we aren't even talking about P5 offers anymore! We have moved the goalpost so far, we have actually moved on a different topic.
Let me ask you something, do you really believe that we don't have a single wide receiver on this team besides Boyd that we could throw a bubble screen to? I don't.
In week 1, we rushed for well over 300 yards. We just didn't pass all that much (given how successful we were running the ball) and completed only 11 passes all day, with about half of those to WRs and the other half were confidence building short passes to the RBs.
As for week 2 with Boyd back in the lineup, anyone who watches football can see that our QBs look to Boyd first and sometimes exclusively. And we love to quickly throw it out to him along the line of scrimmage and give him the opportunity to make something happen (I refer to those as "bubble screens" even though they aren't always technically screens). Many of Boyd's receptions - including his first 3 - were bubble screens. We could certainly run that play with another WR if we wanted to (and it might be a good idea, just to mix things up).
Look, Boyd is a special talent. Our coaches want to get the ball in his hands often and our QBs tend to focus on him first and foremost. But that doesn't mean there is no talent after him.
;):cool::rolleyes:
 
A big part of the issue is the quarterbacks, as well as the coaches. Anyone really think that the likes of Amendola and Edelman on the NE Pats are world class receivers? Yet they produce as such, because their QB and coaches are so damn good.

All of our second receivers are perfectly adequate athletes. They aren't Boyd but nobody is, and nobody expects them to be. Some claim they can't get open, don't understand routes, but how really true is that?

All of us at some point note plenty of times these guys look open during games. They aren't that hopeless. We need better QB play foremost. Creative play designs, called at the right times to take advantage of fortuitous matchups. A bonus also is consistent pass blocking, so that there is time to go through progressions (if the QBs bother with them).

Realistically we also have to note that the 2nd and 3rd wideouts by definition are NOT going to be first option, hardly ever. In fact on our team, given we have good TEs, they may not even be the second option most of the time. But they can help in other ways ... block well, run smart routes, act as interference to give Boyd space (aka, pick plays). And did I mention block well? Most important, when they DO get a ball thrown their way, gotta make the play, to be seen as a legit alternative.
Agree with most of the first 3 paras.

The third isn't quite accurate--each WR has a different job in every offensive set and there will be a primary receiver on every pass play depending on the passing tree and the routes the play calls for. Basic playcalling requires different routes to be the primary route on every play. One some, or even a majority of pass plays the primary route will be Boyd, but on others it will be the slot receiver, or the guy running the hitch, or the guy running the slant, etc etc. Boyd is not, and shouldn't be, the primary receiver on every downfield pass play. That would make us mighty easy to defend.

The line needs to give the QB time, the WRs need to get off the lOS and run good routes, and the ball has to come out quickly and accurately to the primary route. If the primary isn't open, the QB has a progression he;s supposed to go through.

So much of successful offense is rhythm and tempo. If the offense isn't in a good rhythm, it's going to be a struggle to move the ball or score. Last night's Clemson/Louisville game was a good example. neither offense could get into a groove. Some of that was good D, more was due to blown assignments by the offensive players.
 
Has anyone else been as pleasantly surprised with Challingsworth as me? Hasn't gotten involved a ton but I think he's starting to separate himself as the #2 WR. Looks like he knows what he's doing at least and his hands look pretty solid. Can't ask for much more.
 
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Pitt should have thrown the ball 40 times against Akron so the staff could hash out this receiver situation.

Or we could just let it play out as the season progresses.
 
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It may be steep learning curve to navigate this season, but I'm intrigued to see how Tipton develops at Pitt. I suspect he ends up being the star of the group over the course of his full college career. He is an uber-athlete, but has a still unknown ceiling focusing his effort as a full-time WR.
 
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