I think guys like Narduzzi knows talent when he sees it and can coach it... Keep the faith...
Pitt VS MSU Recruiting 2007-2010 and results 4 yrs later
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I like Narduzzi a lot. However, this means absolutely nothing.
Narduzzi was the defensive coordinator and the only coach on our current staff from Michigan st. I could see if we had 3 or 4 coaches coming from that same staff. But we do not.
We heard the same thing from folks about Chryst. And Graham and Heywood. Simply blind faith.
Lets just win games and then coach Nard will get all the praise he deserves. The Pitt way
Narduzzi was the defensive coordinator and the only coach on our current staff from Michigan st. I could see if we had 3 or 4 coaches coming from that same staff. But we do not.
We heard the same thing from folks about Chryst. And Graham and Heywood. Simply blind faith.
Lets just win games and then coach Nard will get all the praise he deserves. The Pitt way
It means no less than the graphs that are constantly shown on here that imply a different conclusion. They are both worthless.
Well it beats the hell out of reading thread after thread about what's his name going to ND... I'll see if I can start up PSU thread instead....
Couldn't agree more. Fan's just have to move on. The kid made the best decision for himself and that is it. I am confident Narduzzi will find a suitable replacement.
I think this is a great discussion, and certainly a good alternative than the Jeter threads. Pittmeister, do you have the number of prospects from those recruiting classes that ended up going to the NFL for each team?
There was so much talent at PITT under DW (especially in 2009), but he couldn't win a miserably terrible Big East title outright.
There was so much talent at PITT under DW (especially in 2009), but he couldn't win a miserably terrible Big East title outright.
Worthless?
Disagree - Graph show several things. Consistent good coaching is important - more important than having a highly "rated" class. Pitt beat MSU regularly in the "ratings" but got out produced on the field. Its been said before Pitts "coaching carousel" was more devastating to the program than the Peds getting caught hiding a serial child molester.
It's not proof positive of anything but it does provide supporting evidence for what MSU did on the field during that time-regularly beating teams with far better on-paper personnel.
That's Dantonio's team but Duzzi wasn't just along for the ride, he was an integral part of what they built at MSU. His eyes and ears were wide open the whole time. He is trying to do it the same way here.
It's worth noting that MSU's rise came at the same time as some of the Big Ten upheaval; PSU's rape enabler issues, Michigan's issues, Ohio State's issues. MSU has a very good coach, but he was also helped by timing.
Good point, however it didn't help Chryst with everything that's happened with PSU since 2011
Sadly, Pitt had the same opportunity and didn't capitalize.
If Pitt had competent leadership we would be much farther along in college footballs pecking order.
As far as garenteed success doing it the Michigan st way is blind faith in my opinion.
If Narduzzi was the head coach at Michigan st i could get behind what the poster who started this thread is saying. However, its one thing absorbing what another guy did. Its a whole different ball game implementing it. When your the guy in charge.
That's why most successful coordinator's shit the bed when they finally get a head coaching job.
Hopefully, Narduzzi breaks the odds of succeeding instead of failing. As many coordinators do.
Something we won't know for a couple of years. So far its promising. A win the week will really turn heads
No question about that, but here they are, still winning, still beating those teams. Dantonio is 11-4 versus ranked teams since 2013, and has won 6 of his last 7, including wins over two top 5s, with the only loss being to Alabama.
Urban Meyer is 50-4 at OSU, Dantonio has handed him 2 of those losses. Harbaugh is 0-1.
Dantonio has built that program to find a way to win against the odds, against better teams, etc.
Pitt still has the opportunity while The U, VT, UVa, Syracuse are rebuilding. Coastal's wide open.
I hear ya. However, i wouldn't use Miami in that group. Seems like their new coach got them playing great ball. Basically that seems to be what was missing at Miami
That's exactly right. However, he is saying that the changing in the Pitt HC hurt Pittsburgh which is also exactly right. MSU did rise under perfect conditions for them. Rutgers is down the next 2 years because of the terrible recruiting caused by Flood when we were 55-70th in recruiting but when Schiano was at Rutgers we were in the 30-40th in recruiting. Ash appears to be getting back in the 30's ranking.
It is my early opinion, Ash is going to be a terrific coach for Rutgers and his coaching and recruiting are much improving Rutgers Team and Program, any thoughts yet on your views too of Ash.
It is my opinion, Ash is going to lock up Top Talent in NJ that will hurt Programs like BC, PSU, and some other Schools even Pitt too!
Dumbovan Jeter.
And, MSU was 4-8 in 2007... they knew how to turn it around. Narduzzi was a key piece in that.
I think most Rutger fans see the difference already even though we don't have a decent QB, I hear he ranked in the 100's. Whole lot less penalties and come from behind wins. His recruiting is much better than expected for his first year and surprised everyone but Maryland coaches are even better than Rutgers or Penn State. I think Nuzz is a good coach but might need help in recruiting. The problem is coaching is 50% recruiting and 50% coaching up players and game calling. We will have 2 duel threat QB next year and some WR that can get open. I like we moved to the spread.
Hope you do well especially whenever you play Penn State. you have the same situation as us where you have to beat some heavyweights like Clemson, FLorida State and Louisville. Penn State fans will really get mad when we beat them which will be in the next few games.
I looked at Louisville recruiting and they only was ranked between 30-40th nationally in 2013-2016. You only need 2-3 4 stars every year. One more thing, the Big East were never as bad as some people want you to believe.
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"rutgersdave, post: 1592386, member: 7146"]I think most Rutger fans see the difference already even though we don't have a decent QB, I hear he ranked in the 100's. Whole lot less penalties and come from behind wins. His recruiting is much better than expected for his first year and surprised everyone but Maryland coaches are even better than Rutgers or Penn State.
Still now with Big Ten Money RU & UMD can rebuild and Recruit better than ever! PSU did rely on many great recruits from jersey that won't happen as much anymore.
I think Nuzz is a good coach but might need help in recruiting. The problem is coaching is 50% recruiting and 50% coaching up players and game calling.
Disagree, it is 100% Coaching that turns any recruits into Teams, and MSU did that with Dantonio often turning 2* Recruits into Star NFL players. TCU's Patterson, Iowa's Ferentz, and NW's Fitzgerald do it too. It will take time but Coach Pat will recruit in the top 30 like MSU does in most years too. If one can't coach the recruits up into teams they don't last long!
We will have 2 duel threat QB next year and some WR that can get open. I like we moved to the spread.
Jersey always has that kind of talent to do a great spread offense.
Hope you do well especially whenever you play Penn State. you have the same situation as us where you have to beat some heavyweights like Clemson, FLorida State and Louisville.
Back at you in beating Penn State, but you have to beat MSU, Michigan, and OSU too every year. Pitt only has Clemson, FSU and Ulou in different Years. Pitt task is beating UNC, Miami, and VT and GT every year!
Penn State fans will really get mad when we beat them which will be in the next few games.
Yep, they hated losing to temple, it will be worst with Rutgers.
I looked at Louisville recruiting and they only was ranked between 30-40th nationally in 2013-2016. You only need 2-3 4 stars every year.
I did an analysis of all The schools relevant to Pitt, PSU, and regional, here is the link, it only shows the number of 4 & 5 star Recruits the last 4 years and shows some schools have great numbers of them and still coaching is more important? No problem if you disagree, this is what we do ion the Lair!
LINK:
https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.co...arts-with-coaching-not-just-recruiting.96480/
One more thing, the Big East were never as bad as some people want you to believe.
I agree with you and I wanted Rutgers in the ACC not the Big Ten!
Still now with Big Ten Money RU & UMD can rebuild and Recruit better than ever! PSU did rely on many great recruits from jersey that won't happen as much anymore.
I think Nuzz is a good coach but might need help in recruiting. The problem is coaching is 50% recruiting and 50% coaching up players and game calling.
Disagree, it is 100% Coaching that turns any recruits into Teams, and MSU did that with Dantonio often turning 2* Recruits into Star NFL players. TCU's Patterson, Iowa's Ferentz, and NW's Fitzgerald do it too. It will take time but Coach Pat will recruit in the top 30 like MSU does in most years too. If one can't coach the recruits up into teams they don't last long!
We will have 2 duel threat QB next year and some WR that can get open. I like we moved to the spread.
Jersey always has that kind of talent to do a great spread offense.
Hope you do well especially whenever you play Penn State. you have the same situation as us where you have to beat some heavyweights like Clemson, FLorida State and Louisville.
Back at you in beating Penn State, but you have to beat MSU, Michigan, and OSU too every year. Pitt only has Clemson, FSU and Ulou in different Years. Pitt task is beating UNC, Miami, and VT and GT every year!
Penn State fans will really get mad when we beat them which will be in the next few games.
Yep, they hated losing to temple, it will be worst with Rutgers.
I looked at Louisville recruiting and they only was ranked between 30-40th nationally in 2013-2016. You only need 2-3 4 stars every year.
I did an analysis of all The schools relevant to Pitt, PSU, and regional, here is the link, it only shows the number of 4 & 5 star Recruits the last 4 years and shows some schools have great numbers of them and still coaching is more important? No problem if you disagree, this is what we do ion the Lair!
LINK:
https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.co...arts-with-coaching-not-just-recruiting.96480/
One more thing, the Big East were never as bad as some people want you to believe.
I agree with you and I wanted Rutgers in the ACC not the Big Ten!
I don't know Captain I was always a better coach when I had good players on my team,coaching helps but you need talent to get to the top level!Great teams have great players and that's the bottom line.Look at the top teams is it great coaching or great players why they win.Ash and Durkin are on a recruiting honeymoon right now,its easy to sell the hype the first year in recruiting.But if you don't win early the hype fades fast ask Franklin.If they don't win quickly the good ones will not go there,i ts the way if the world in 2016.Pitts line with NC just dropped out here in Vegas money coming in on Pitt!H2P
What head coaches have there ever been who were not at one point coordinators????
What a bullshit "point".....
I agree, the honeymoon is about 2-3 years. Wanny really recruited like crazy the first 2-3 years as well as Franklin.
"medixman, post: 1592594, member: 28301"]I don't know Captain I was always a better coach when I had good players on my team,coaching helps but you need talent to get to the top level!
Well, USC has over 60 4 & 5 Star Recruits on the Roster and barely winning and blown away by a better coach with just as many Top Players. Then you have Ferentz, Petrino, Patterson and Fitzgerald that wins with only 3 to 9 Top 4 and 5 Star Recruits?
The there are Coaches that have 57 4 & 5 Star Recruits On their Rosters like USC's Helton, and 27 like Franklin at PSU, and can't win against better Top 25 Programs/
Great teams have great players and that's the bottom line.
Nope, Great Coaches make great Teams and that is the bottom line. Patterson, Ferentz, Petrino and Fitzgerald prove you wrong the last 20 years? it starts and end with the Coach that upgrade his Teams! some do it by better recruiting but all that are successful and do it over multiple years do it by coaching!
Look at the top teams is it great coaching or great players why they win.
Yeah, go do that in the NFL and see the difference that win and stay and those that come and go?
Ash and Durkin are on a recruiting honeymoon right now,its easy to sell the hype the first year in recruiting.
Wow, but you keep making excuses for Franklin, needing more time?? I think Durkin or Ash may beat Franklin this year, we shall see? Durkin only has 16 Players right now on UMD Roster that are 4* & 5* Recruits Ash only has 2, and Franklin has 27?
But if you don't win early the hype fades fast ask Franklin.If they don't win quickly the good ones will not go there,i ts the way if the world in 2016.
I wouldn't ask Franklin at all on much of anything, you came here saying he will be Great and but needs time to show it, then bragged he showed it at Vandy, but now you question him??? Dantonio, Ferentz, Shaw, Briles, Patterson, Petrino did not have the same level of high talent when they became Coaches at MSU, Iowa, Stanford, Baylor, TCU and ULou but built Teams with less by good coaching and still do not have great talent as other Programs, like Georgia, Auburn, LSU, USC, all that had way more and fired their Coaches and now some on the Hot Seat about to be fired with 40 or more 4-5* Recruits in the Rosters?
Funny, Ohio State Meyers won big 11+ games everywhere he went, Saban did the same, Harbaugh has taken a Brady Hoke Recruits Players and turned Michigan around in one year.....that is Coaching is it not?
Kiffen took over UTenn and USC and got fired with over 50+ 4*-5* Recruit Players on the Rosters, Helton too? So much for Recruiting Huh??
NOW ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION, A very Smart Head Coach once told me, it only takes 4 to 6 Plays by 2 to 3 Players to win most games in College Football, DO YOU BELIEVE HE WAS RIGHT BASED ON YOUR COACHING EXPERIENCE???
Pitts line with NC just dropped out here in Vegas money coming in on Pitt!H2P
What is the line on PSU-Michigan Game and what score are you predicting? how about WVU-BYU too? Any opinions, or do we have to wait until 2018?
However, I am more interested in you answering my question above first and foremost to see if that Coach knew what he was talking and coaching about?
Well, USC has over 60 4 & 5 Star Recruits on the Roster and barely winning and blown away by a better coach with just as many Top Players. Then you have Ferentz, Petrino, Patterson and Fitzgerald that wins with only 3 to 9 Top 4 and 5 Star Recruits?
The there are Coaches that have 57 4 & 5 Star Recruits On their Rosters like USC's Helton, and 27 like Franklin at PSU, and can't win against better Top 25 Programs/
Great teams have great players and that's the bottom line.
Nope, Great Coaches make great Teams and that is the bottom line. Patterson, Ferentz, Petrino and Fitzgerald prove you wrong the last 20 years? it starts and end with the Coach that upgrade his Teams! some do it by better recruiting but all that are successful and do it over multiple years do it by coaching!
Look at the top teams is it great coaching or great players why they win.
Yeah, go do that in the NFL and see the difference that win and stay and those that come and go?
Ash and Durkin are on a recruiting honeymoon right now,its easy to sell the hype the first year in recruiting.
Wow, but you keep making excuses for Franklin, needing more time?? I think Durkin or Ash may beat Franklin this year, we shall see? Durkin only has 16 Players right now on UMD Roster that are 4* & 5* Recruits Ash only has 2, and Franklin has 27?
But if you don't win early the hype fades fast ask Franklin.If they don't win quickly the good ones will not go there,i ts the way if the world in 2016.
I wouldn't ask Franklin at all on much of anything, you came here saying he will be Great and but needs time to show it, then bragged he showed it at Vandy, but now you question him??? Dantonio, Ferentz, Shaw, Briles, Patterson, Petrino did not have the same level of high talent when they became Coaches at MSU, Iowa, Stanford, Baylor, TCU and ULou but built Teams with less by good coaching and still do not have great talent as other Programs, like Georgia, Auburn, LSU, USC, all that had way more and fired their Coaches and now some on the Hot Seat about to be fired with 40 or more 4-5* Recruits in the Rosters?
Funny, Ohio State Meyers won big 11+ games everywhere he went, Saban did the same, Harbaugh has taken a Brady Hoke Recruits Players and turned Michigan around in one year.....that is Coaching is it not?
Kiffen took over UTenn and USC and got fired with over 50+ 4*-5* Recruit Players on the Rosters, Helton too? So much for Recruiting Huh??
NOW ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION, A very Smart Head Coach once told me, it only takes 4 to 6 Plays by 2 to 3 Players to win most games in College Football, DO YOU BELIEVE HE WAS RIGHT BASED ON YOUR COACHING EXPERIENCE???
Pitts line with NC just dropped out here in Vegas money coming in on Pitt!H2P
What is the line on PSU-Michigan Game and what score are you predicting? how about WVU-BYU too? Any opinions, or do we have to wait until 2018?
However, I am more interested in you answering my question above first and foremost to see if that Coach knew what he was talking and coaching about?
My point is if every coordinator who got promoted to head coach was a qarenteed success. No body would fail.
Now go beat your drums. You don't want to bark up my tree moron
