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Fairly middling to mediocre the last 25 years. Since Terry Donohue left them.



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They are a tough one to figure. Maybe the shine has worn of Chip a little bit now since everyone and their mother runs that offense?

But the one that surprises me is Fickel. Remember the uproar when Pederson interviewed him after Graham left? I was one of the ones uproaring. Turning into a pretty good coach. There was an interesting story on him in SI I believe. Maybe he's the coach in waiting if Day doesn't work out. He would have probably stayed here a long time if he got the job as he hasn't ventured too far from Ohio and has six kids and seems to value stability.
 
It almost makes you want to say that California recruits are overrated, but they're second only to Florida in NFL representation (granted, that's just one metric... and a lazy one at that). And, although they've been mostly down as of late by their standards, USC did just win a Rose Bowl not long ago.

Yeah, not sure what is up with UCLA. Also in Pitt fashion, they seem to produce a decent amount of pro talent in spite of not performing well in college.

And I'd be surprised if Fickel isn't coaching for either Ohio State or Notre Dame within the next few years. Not sure Michigan would have him, ha. That is, unless he makes a stop at a school in between G5 and blue blood along the way--Virginia Tech or something, maybe.
 
It almost makes you want to say that California recruits are overrated, but they're second only to Florida in NFL representation (granted, that's just one metric... and a lazy one at that). And, although they've been mostly down as of late by their standards, USC did just win a Rose Bowl not long ago.

Yeah, not sure what is up with UCLA. Also in Pitt fashion, they seem to produce a decent amount of pro talent in spite of not performing well in college.

And I'd be surprised if Fickel isn't coaching for either Ohio State or Notre Dame within the next few years. Not sure Michigan would have him, ha. That is, unless he makes a stop at a school in between G5 and blue blood along the way--Virginia Tech or something, maybe.

That article mentioned he hasn't ventured far out of Ohio,if at all, during his whole career. I can't see him jumping at Vtech or an SEC school. I think only OSU or ND but who knows what these guys are thinking. Nice job in cleaning up Tuberville's mess and winning 11 games only two years later.
 
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WVU interviewed Fickel last year -- in fact since WVU President Gordon Gee (from his OSU days) knew Fickel way some folks believed he was the favorite. That said WVU AD Lyons was targeting Neal Brown for some time and interviewed Fickel at Gee's request. In the end Lyons got his choice....
 
They're terribly underfunded, by the school and the donors. As recently as 2015 they only had an 80-yard practice field. No idea if that's still the case.

While they were conducting their most recent head coaching search in basketball, I read about how lacking their facilities are (part of the reason why it probably wasn't the destination job many might think it would be). This shocked me a bit, as they're one of the blue bloods in basketball.
 
It almost makes you want to say that California recruits are overrated, but they're second only to Florida in NFL representation (granted, that's just one metric... and a lazy one at that). And, although they've been mostly down as of late by their standards, USC did just win a Rose Bowl not long ago.

Yeah, not sure what is up with UCLA. Also in Pitt fashion, they seem to produce a decent amount of pro talent in spite of not performing well in college.

And I'd be surprised if Fickel isn't coaching for either Ohio State or Notre Dame within the next few years. Not sure Michigan would have him, ha. That is, unless he makes a stop at a school in between G5 and blue blood along the way--Virginia Tech or something, maybe.
Where is Brian Kelly going? They’re pretty happy with him at ND-and Fickell is nowhere near as accomplished a head coach as he is.

As for Day, I can’t see him filling Urban’s shoes over the next few years. Like him or hate him Urban is one of the 2 best college coaches of the last 20 years. Day is a career coordinator who was just handed the keys to the Lamborghini. That’s a big step for a play caller who has never had to run a program.
 
Where is Brian Kelly going? They’re pretty happy with him at ND-and Fickell is nowhere near as accomplished a head coach as he is.

As for Day, I can’t see him filling Urban’s shoes over the next few years. Like him or hate him Urban is one of the 2 best college coaches of the last 20 years. Day is a career coordinator who was just handed the keys to the Lamborghini. That’s a big step for a play caller who has never had to run a program.

Their fans had been pretty fickle with Kelly for a while. Maybe last year bought him some goodwill, but those programs are never far from turning on someone who isn't meeting their lofty expectations every year. Perhaps their coaching carousel earlier this century humbled them a bit, though.
 
While they were conducting their most recent head coaching search in basketball, I read about how lacking their facilities are (part of the reason why it probably wasn't the destination job many might think it would be). This shocked me a bit, as they're one of the blue bloods in basketball.
Were. Were one of the bluebloods. You aren't forever. They were under Wooden/Gilbert but they are gone. Since then, they have been a good program, but hardly Duke/Carolina/Kentucky/Kansas. It is time to stop referring to them as this.
 
Were. Were one of the bluebloods. You aren't forever. They were under Wooden/Gilbert but they are gone. Since then, they have been a good program, but hardly Duke/Carolina/Kentucky/Kansas. It is time to stop referring to them as this.

Depends on your criteria, I suppose. Notre Dame hasn't won a championship in about 30 years. Even longer for Penn State. Michigan has won one in like 70 years. Are those schools blue bloods? I would bet 95% of college football fans would at least consider Notre Dame and Michigan to be that.
 
Depends on your criteria, I suppose. Notre Dame hasn't won a championship in about 30 years. Even longer for Penn State. Michigan has won one in like 70 years. Are those schools blue bloods? I would bet 95% of college football fans would at least consider Notre Dame and Michigan to be that.
But football is different than basketball. Also of those schools you mention, they pull in zillions of people, zillions of dollars, have so many resources, recruit well, everyone still wants to go there and be there, still iconic.

Who wants to go to UCLA basketball? They don't even sell out. Their resources suck, they don't pay well, no one says "wow UCLA/Arizona is on TV, that's a must watch" unlike say Michigan/Ohio State or USC/Notre Dame.
 
They won the Pac 12 South in 2013. Finished with 10 wins in 2014. So.....yeah, not so terrible of a comparison.

Learn about college sports, not just sit there with Pitt pom poms before you want to to contribute.
I was unaware of that my bad. They still have never even played in a NY6/BCS level bowl. Not to mention the PAC 12 (besides Utah) absolutely stinks
 
I was unaware of that my bad. They still have never even played in a NY6/BCS level bowl. Not to mention the PAC 12 (besides Utah) absolutely stinks
Yeah, they last played in the Rose Bowl in 1998.

They are very much like us. The ACC outside of Clemson hasn't been any better than the Pac 12. I am not insulting Pitt as much as I am insulting UCLA. UCLA used to be a fixture in the Rose Bowl along with USC.
 
But football is different than basketball. Also of those schools you mention, they pull in zillions of people, zillions of dollars, have so many resources, recruit well, everyone still wants to go there and be there, still iconic.

Who wants to go to UCLA basketball? They don't even sell out. Their resources suck, they don't pay well, no one says "wow UCLA/Arizona is on TV, that's a must watch" unlike say Michigan/Ohio State or USC/Notre Dame.

I'm not personally disagreeing about the football part. I just think you can play devil's advocate to a good bit of that. Texas A&M has tradition, infinite funding, a 100,000-seat stadium that they fill up more often than not, etc. But they're not a blue blood, because they don't win. Many Pitt fans don't consider Penn State to be one, either. Same probably goes for Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, etc. The difference is that Notre Dame, Michigan, and Ohio State are iconic--like you said. But I think UCLA still has a pocket full of that prestige in basketball.
 
Yeah, they last played in the Rose Bowl in 1998.

They are very much like us. The ACC outside of Clemson hasn't been any better than the Pac 12. I am not insulting Pitt as much as I am insulting UCLA. UCLA used to be a fixture in the Rose Bowl along with USC.
Interesting story line in the ACC is FSU. They are still getting great players and have one of the most talented teams in the country.

The question is, does Taggart know what he’s doing—early returns are not promising-and how much rope will they give him to find out?
 
I was unaware of that my bad. They still have never even played in a NY6/BCS level bowl. Not to mention the PAC 12 (besides Utah) absolutely stinks

Oregon may lose at Auburn, but they are probably the best team in the PAC. Would assume both they and Washington are above Utah.
 
UCLA football is a weird history. As of 2016, they had a winning record against every team in the PAC except USC -- but no division title since 1998 and most years of go start to finish without being ranked. They waste a lot of talent and usually lack depth and a good QB.
 
UCLA football is a weird history. As of 2016, they had a winning record against every team in the PAC except USC -- but no division title since 1998 and most years of go start to finish without being ranked. They waste a lot of talent and usually lack depth and a good QB.

See, I think quarterback is one area where they've actually done pretty well. Aikman, Steve Bono, Tommy Guns, Brett Hundley, Josh Rosen, Cade McNown, etc. Not all world beaters, but pretty decent college guys.
 
See, I think quarterback is one area where they've actually done pretty well. Aikman, Steve Bono, Tommy Guns, Brett Hundley, Josh Rosen, Cade McNown, etc. Not all world beaters, but pretty decent college guys.

I was thinking more recently, but you're still right.
 
WVU interviewed Fickel last year -- in fact since WVU President Gordon Gee (from his OSU days) knew Fickel way some folks believed he was the favorite. That said WVU AD Lyons was targeting Neal Brown for some time and interviewed Fickel at Gee's request. In the end Lyons got his choice....
Luke is a good man and really good coach. It is only a matter of time before he is P5 somewhere,
 
Yeah, they last played in the Rose Bowl in 1998.

They are very much like us. The ACC outside of Clemson hasn't been any better than the Pac 12. I am not insulting Pitt as much as I am insulting UCLA. UCLA used to be a fixture in the Rose Bowl along with USC.

I have no problem with your Pitt/UCLA comparison. That makes a lot of sense to me. However, I would take issue with the comment that the ACC and the Pac 12 have been the same because I don’t think that’s true at all. I think the ACC has been demonstrably better than the Pac 12 for several years now.

Within the past decade, Florida State has won the national championship. No Pac 12 team can say that. That’s two ACC teams who have won national championships within the past 10 years — One of them multiple times. Aside from the SEC, I’m not sure if anyone else can say that?

Again, this is not to suggest that the ACC has been great because it very clearly has not been all that hot. However, the Pac 12 has been the worst power conference for a number of years now and they’ve actually been helped in that regard by the fact that they play out west.

They always complain about their best teams and players being undervalued because of the fact that they play out west after most of the country has fallen asleep or tuned out for the evening.

They call it “East Coast Bias” end it is a real phenomenon. For example, a few years ago, Christian McCaffrey was definitely the best player in college football and he was cheated out of the Heisman Trophy because he played at Stanford rather than in the Big Ten or SEC.

However, the East Coast Bias door swings both ways and they have largely remained inoculated from much deserved criticism about how horribly they have performed for years now.

For example, anyone who saw that UCLA @ Cincinnati game the other night could see that UCLA is straight up atrocious. I have a very close friend who is a fanatical Bruins fan and he has been telling me how bad they are and I thought he was being too hard on them until I watch them play the other night. They absolutely suck and their quarterback is horrible.

Chip Kelly is 3–10 in his last 13 games at UCLA. He’s 11–33 overall in his past 44 games. And if you saw the Bruins play the other night, you would know that number is going to climb pretty dramatically this year.

They are not at Majors II depths by any means. They actually have some bonafide players on that team. However, I am having a very difficult time imagining that marriage ending well in Westwood.
 
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They are a tough one to figure. Maybe the shine has worn of Chip a little bit now since everyone and their mother runs that offense?

But the one that surprises me is Fickel. Remember the uproar when Pederson interviewed him after Graham left? I was one of the ones uproaring. Turning into a pretty good coach. There was an interesting story on him in SI I believe. Maybe he's the coach in waiting if Day doesn't work out. He would have probably stayed here a long time if he got the job as he hasn't ventured too far from Ohio and has six kids and seems to value stability.
I was living in the Philly area when Chip Kelly was there. It was comical listening to the local sports talk shows. If I had a dollar for every time a show host or fan referred to Chip Kelly as a genius, I could retire. Then a year or two later they were running him out of town.
It was classic Philly sports fans and media.
I’ve lived a lot of places, but they were by far the worst.
 
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