you get to pick between the following 2 outcomes for Football/Basketball vs Olympic Sports next year. Curious to see if we have as many diehard Olympic sports fans as there seems to be.
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Part of this is, you can't easily follow these "Olympic Sports", I would definitely watch more Pitt soccer if it was as effortless to watch as college football. Pitt we know has usually been painfully mediocre in football for 35 of the last 40 years, yet you can still find 90% of their games on some TV channel, and as bad as Pitt hoops is, I've probably watched 75% of their games on TV with little or no effort (after ACCN got on Comcast
)But other than men's soccer, there is no other sport I'd be "excited" to follow closely, not even the Final 4 volleyball team.
The fact that there are complete extremes aside, let's be honest: Our olympic sports being where they are now does not preclude us from being good, or even great, in basketball or football. Capel was a misfire, but it's not like we're trying to get away with paying some guy $800,000/year. Both caching staffs in our revenue sports are competitively compensated.
Part of this is, you can't easily follow these "Olympic Sports", I would definitely watch more Pitt soccer if it was as effortless to watch as college football. Pitt we know has usually been painfully mediocre in football for 35 of the last 40 years, yet you can still find 90% of their games on some TV channel, and as bad as Pitt hoops is, I've probably watched 75% of their games on TV with little or no effort (after ACCN got on Comcast
But other than men's soccer, there is no other sport I'd be "excited" to follow closely, not even the Final 4 volleyball team.
This is because NOBODY CARES ABOUT OLYMPIC SPORTS.
Its funny, I hear Ski and others say how our Olympics sports teams are every bit as important to the university as football and basketball, yet all 18 of the people who answered this poll would glady take horrible Olympic sports teams for elite football and MBB. Why? Because OLYMPIC SPORTS DON'T MATTER. Their success doesn't matter. Its nice to see but it doesn't matter. So when Ski says Heather is doing a fantastic job because the Olympic sports are doing very well, that just isnt true. Their wins and losses don't matter. Its football, basketball, and fundraising for the AD. Olympic sports are just a bonus. If they're doing well, great, but their success doesn't come close to offsetting football or MBB failure.
An AD must do 3 things:
- raise money
- ensure the football team wins
- ensure MBB wins
Literally everything else falls into 1 category that counts as a very small part of their overall job.
yeah, I played an olympic sport in college and have watched a decent bit of Pitt baseball, soccer, and volleyball in the last year.
With that said, if Pitt basketball and football were Top 25 programs consistently and all the other sports sucked, HL would get a raise and SEC job offers.
With that said, if Pitt basketball and football were Top 25 programs consistently and all the other sports sucked, HL would get a raise and SEC job offers.
They don't matter to you or I, but they clearly matter to Heather and her bosses. So I think she ought to be evaluated based on what they're prioritizing rather than what you or I think they should be prioritizing, no? Like, there are CEOs who aren't making as much money as some of their predecessors because they're being more environmentally responsible, but if that's what their board of directors has decided is important, then you can't really say they're doing a bad job.
All that aside, we just had our best football season in 40 years. That's no more attributable to Heather than Capel's inability to recruit anymore. Things just happen. The Capel extension seemed fine at the time... didn't turn out that way. The Narduzzi extension seemed premature at the time... didn't turn out that way. When is the last time both programs had a great season... 2009? Does that make Pederson a great AD?
We are investing more than ever before (at least legally) into our revenue programs. I'd think she needs some credit for that.
Heather gets an A for football.
Fundraising, I dont know.
MBB is an F.
And if her bosses evaluate her evenly on MBB vs Olympic Sports, then that's just complete and utter ineptitude. The men's basketball budget is what, $20 million? The volleyball budget is, what $2 million? How could anyone evaluate those things evenly?
Okay, then football being an A and basketball being an F puts her around a B-minus or a B (football is weighted more heavily). So if the Olympic sports are an A, that bumps her up to somewhere between a B and an A-minus, no?
No. Olympic sports barely even enter the equation. I'd put there wins and losses in the same category as graduation rates, career development, life skills, etc. All worth about 5% combined of her evaluation.
So if football is an A for this year and basketball is an F. She is at a C, maybe a C-. She doesn't get a bump at all for Olympic sports.
That's funny, coming from the person who thinks she should be evaluated for volleyball and MBB evenly.
Inside the Growing Fight to Save Olympic College Sports
At Stanford and other schools, athletes of discontinued sports teams are pushing back—and raising money in the process.
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Billions are spent on it.
Exactly, I have said the same exact thing, except with a brutal, ugly, sarcastic tone that I enjoy and have those posts deleted by the admins here, sort of like the 2 times my brutal, ugly, sarcastic tone has gotten me in Facebook jail for hate speech against white, straight, Christian males
My thought on this is localize most sports that can't support D1 costs. Like P5 conferences could only be for football and basketball money making sports, and sports that don't make money should play locally and instead of going to Miami, Boston and Carolina, go to Geneva, W&J and CMU on a bus.This has some interesting data.Inside the Growing Fight to Save Olympic College Sports
At Stanford and other schools, athletes of discontinued sports teams are pushing back—and raising money in the process.
Billions are spent on it.
Even if they count for 0%, it's a C+ or B- by virtue of football being more important than basketball.
Yeah, I don't understand the point of it. It's not an either/or situation in real life.
The point of it is to prove Olympic sports don't matter and Heather's success in Olympic matters should matter very very little to her overall performance. Its football, MBB, fundraising. That's it.
Where did I say that? I said that she is overseeing the most successful athletic department in the history of the university. I suspect she and the chancellor and the BOT are clear on the emphasis each sport has. But to discount her tenure because of basketball is foolish. Nobody made any argument even remotely close to this moronic poll you've created. You seem insistent on making Pitt sports a zero sum game and I would bet that the entire BOT and senior leadership at the university would laugh you off campus.
It isnt zero sum. We can have great Olympics sports and fine football and basketball. But you cannot use "most successful athletic department" in her defense because like 12 of those successful sports dont matter. It is fun to say that. And its probably true. But her job is to ensure football and MBB wins. The other sports are just there because they have to be there. And if we're really good in them, that's nice but they dont matter.
It's pretty clear from his past posts that he does think that it's a zero sum game. The notion that Pitt can be good at football AND basketball AND Olympic sports simply boggles his mind. Which is why he makes up moronic polls like this and then thinks that when people give the obvious answers it somehow validates his world view that it is the Olympic sports that hold Pitt football and basketball back, rather than incompetence.
It's also clear that he has absolutely no idea what Heather Lyke's bosses think is important and what they think is not.
If Heather Lyke's bosses view Olympic Sports as equal or anything close to that to football and MBB, they should be fired for incompetence. And you know that.
It's as if you simply cannot grasp the concept that there is somewhere in between "as important as football and men's basketbal" and "of no importance what so ever".
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