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Discussion in 'Football Board' started by cbpitt2, Jun 29, 2018.
Which of these Pitt coaches was the best?
Gottfried???? Only Foge accomplished less with more....
Narduzzi is TBD. Too early in his tenure, and PC wasn’t here long enough. It comes down to Walt, Wanny, and Gottfried.
Agreed. Narduzzi is going to be the best but it's too early.
I went with Walt but Wanny and Gottfried both would have been better had they been given more time.
Wannstedt coached for 6 seasons and had the worst competition we ever had.
Gottfried frustrated the hell out of me...
In 1986 the team finished with a 5-5-1 record, losing to a 5-5-1 Maryland team, 6-5 Temple team, a 5-6 Syracuse.
In 1987 the team finished 8-4, he lost to a 5-6 BC team, a 6-5 Texas team, 4-7 Temple team
In 1988 the team finished 6-5. In fairness they played a super tough schedule but lost to a 3-8 BC team that later cost them a bowl game...
In 1989 the team had it's best (8-3-1) season since 1983... Although, he coached against 4 teams that finished in the top 25, losing or tying all of them...
Hete are some of the players he had on his teams:
Players that were drafted:
Alex Van Pelt
Not to mention other players that were good, but were not drafted...
A lot of those players on that list were high school all Americans. I've always felt we under archived based on the quality of players we had...
He had some players..........
Gladman was one of the best running backs I ever saw at Pitt
Again, this illustrates how important it is having a quality QB. It can make a difference in winning and losing. Gottfried's best season was his last and that's the year he started Alex Van Pelt. Before then, he had a lot of mediocre QB's besides the first year with Congemi...
Chryst's first year was easiest schedule this side of his schedules at UW. That schedule had 9 build in wins.
DW wasn't a good game day coach but averaged 9 wins his last 3 years and probably had his best recruiting class on the way when he got fired.
No doubt Narduzzi has had the most difficult opponents through his first 3 years- it's really not even close.
The guy could recruit, but was a bit crazy at times. Little control of his guys.
I picked Narduzzi by default.
Foge did less with more than anyone else...
Gottfried was a little better, but he had some baffling losses against weaker opponents with a roster full of good to great players...
Harris did a great job of rebuilding the program but his recruiting lacked depth at many positions and would some how lose to inferior opponents every year...
Wannstedt had a weak schedule and some very good players but had many head scratching loses...
Chryst? Losses to YSU and Akron...Case closed....
Narduzzi has done something a Pitt coach has never done...He beat two teams that ended the year in the top 7, including the national champion. That alone should put him at the top.
The teams he lost to are:
#15 North Carolina
#11 Notre Dame
# 18 Navy
No James Conner most of the year...
# 23 Miami
North Carolina (8-5)
Nate Peterman graduates, and the shit hits the fan with the QB position...
# 8 PSU
# 23 NCST
# 25 VT
Then we lose for the first time teams that ended up with losing records:
GT (5-6) 35-17
Syracuse (4-8) 27-24
North Carolina (3-9) 34-31
Last year should show everyone the importance of a QB...
Narduzzi has had a tougher schedule and lacked talent and depth on the defensive side of the ball. He also has had only one good QB to work with.
Based on all that, I'd give the nod to Narduzzi...
If Gottfried got to coach his back to back Top 5 recruiting classes when they were juniors and Seniors. He would of won more games than everyone on that list by far.
He did bring one in Darnell Dickerson.
A year later, Pitt increased their academic requirements. Thus, making him ineligible.
Gottfried was shown the exit before he finished his 4th year. Pitt won 8 games that year too. I’d say the Killer Bs ruined Gottfrieds rep as a coach.
Maybe... However you can only judge on what he did, not what he could've done. I would agree that if he had a better crop of QB's he may have done better.. His best QB was Van Pelt in his last and best season...
Actually the requirements forced him to take calc or some other difficult course. Couldn’t take parks and recreation or animal husbandry like the geniuses to the east were able to take.
I remember being surprised Gottfried was gone. He seemed like he was doing all of the right things.
Not surprised Wlat is winning the poll. After inheriting a mess, by his last three years, we went into our bowl games ranked all three times. Now I believe we've been ranked three weeks total since September 2010. (not an attack on Narduzzi -- time will tell.)
They at least played VT and ND that year, but that was DW's schedule EVERY YEAR and he choked every single time, even after he destroyed everything from Walt and had ENTIRELY his players in. In 2009, the only decent team we played was Cincy, who then got trounced by UF.
That is when Pitt football fell to the bottom never to recover. Up until the 1989-1990 class we were still bringing in top 5 recruiting classes.
It’s when Bozik and Oval hired Hackett. That put the nail in the coffin. Sadly, that was when Espn’s, Foxes, and other sports channels were just getting started. Imagine if we were still a powerhouse when those TV networks were around. We perhaps would of been able to overcome those knuckleheads mistakes
I can't argue with anyone who voted for Walt. He did a great job making Pitt respectable again. Most importantly he understood the value of having a competent QB and knew how to coach them...
And he had at least one wideout leading the conference in receptions and yardage. I remember folks were calling us wideout U
Someone voted for Foge? It's Walt in a landslide for me just given where we were when he took over. What he was able to do in that first year was darn near miraculous. His results thereafter were spotty but he did take us from laughingstock to respectable pretty quickly.
I'd imagine the answer is Narduzzi in a few more years.
He had to upgrade the talent level on the team, negotiate higher salaries for coaches and generally deal with some absolute meatheads running things to get the university in a position to compete. He did ALOT for Pitt in his time here. The last time I saw Heinz Field in a frenzy for Pitt football was Dec 5, 2009 - Wanny was HC - and if it wasn't for Andrew Janocko's bumbling fingers on the extra point with a minute left stunning 63,000-plus, he may still be HC today. He had a great recruiting class coming in and I think could've got StevieP out as AD with that BCS bowl game. It was our last 10-win season and VERY FEW PEOPLE give him credit for that!
Hackett was a freakin backstabber. When Pitt raised their standards over and above what the NCAA required Gottfried rebelled. Hackett slid in and assured Bozick he could win despite the higher standards. So the “nationwide search” never left the locker room. Bozick was an arrogant and inept assclown.
"He had to upgrade the talent level" because why? Walt Harris was running at the same clip and with tougher competition. He is a loser. Great guy, but he is terrified of winning. He has the tightest sphincter of any HC I've ever seen. Blaming the Cincy loss on Janocko is hilarious. We blew a 21 point lead and absolutely turtled. It was classic Wannstedt. Every dumb and scared decision that could be made was made. It was a "How NOT to Coach" clinic.
I think most people ( including me) way overrate Dickerson based on the Ohio St game.
For his career Darnell Dickerson completed 45% of his passes, throwing 9 tds with 11 INT’s.
Gottfried leading in this poll suggests what I have suspected for awhile. Some posters put more emphasis on recruiting, than actual results on the field...
The voting results are really close with four coaches. Interesting stuff.
guy hated penn state with a passion and was .500 against them and fought against the administration that wanted to imitate penn state's false goody two shoes image but not their ruthless need to empathize football thus the nudge over the other stiffs on the list who did little with less, little with more and just basically little.
The question is irrelevant. The only relevant question is, “Under which coach was the program the strongest?”
That changes the entire complexion of the discussion.
I definitely agree with you. I think all of us would love a to see coach DUZZ get a chance to coach a team loaded with players like Gottfried had. Maybe someday down the road, we will get that chance!
Gottfried didn't get to coach those teams. He got fired before he finished his 4th season.
Scared decisions? We're up 6 in the 4th, going for more and Bill Stull throws an INT on the Cincy 7 yd line. With a good pass 'n catch, Dion Lewis runs it in on the next play -- with the way he was running that day. Turtled? We scored what should have been the winning TD with a little over a minute left. Jacked the XP up, and gave a talented Cincy O a breath of life instead of feeling a "foot on their neck"
Yes. We played prevent for 3 quarters and kept kicking to Gilyard. Lewis set a carry record in that game. Dave Wannstedt is terrified of winning.
"Which of these Pitt coaches was the least worst?" might have been a better phrasing of the question...