With Duquesne getting the home team designation.
Dukes as a 4 seed, Pitt as a 5-seed.
Book it.
Dukes as a 4 seed, Pitt as a 5-seed.
Book it.
Prediction: Pitt vs Duquesne in 1st round of NIT at PPG Arena
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I agree.
But the NIT seeding will have them as a 4 and us as a 5 and they will get the "home" game at PPG.
I think Pitt will be 18-13/9-11 in the regular season and then 1-1 in ACCT to go 19-14. That will get us into NIT.
I think Dukes will make a run to the semis of the A10 tourney... which will be enough for an NIT bid, but not for an NCAA bid.
Both teams need to win some games to make that happen. Went to the Dukes game with a friend who had extra tickets. Game was a virtual replay of last night. Fell way behind, roared back, only to run out of steam at the end. Decent crowd. Topin for Dayton is a beast. What was the deal on him coming out of high school? Dayton's a solid program, but he could be playing for one of the elites, and I don't mean us, I mean like Kansas or Duke. I bet UNC wishes they had him.
If both teams make the NIT there is almost no way that Duquesne is the higher seeded team.
The other matchup that could be looming is Pitt-TCU.
Pitt vs Mississippi St could be a potential matchup as well.
We know that Pitt is in no way a shoe-in for the NIT, and I'm guessing that the Dukes may be a little less so.
Right now, they are 5-3 in the A-10, and a good guess at their final league record just might be 10-8, making them 20-10 before their conference tournament.
I like the Dukes and I'm rooting for them and they are certainly improving. A good indicator for the rest of the season for them is to see how they do when they travel to St. Louis in about a week.
They needed that win last night bad. I’m not sure they make it. Improving program though.
They are definitely better. But they also still have zero "good" wins. And they don't have many chances left to get one.
If this was back before the NCAA took over the NIT there would be a much greater chance they'd make it and that we'd play them in the first round. But the current committee isn't going to consider what matchups they can make until after the field is picked, and Duquesne has a long way to go to even get to the position to get picked.
And for the record, we do to. But we'll have a lot more chances than they will to do something that will move the needle with the committee.
They only have one quad2 win, that was against St. Louis. I see people analyzing schedules using Pomeroy. That's a mistake. The committee will use the Pomeroy rating to help place teams, but schedules will be evaluated by using NET, which has St. Louis quite a bit higher than Kenpom, thus it's a good win for them. They have a quad2 chance coming up vs Richmond in Pittsburgh, but I can't see them winning any of their 3 remaining quad1 games (at VCU, Dayton, and St. Louis).
I looked at the remaining Pitt schedule, and see that we have 3 quad1, and 5 quad2 games left. Got to make some hay with those quad2 games.
Missed the Dukes game at St. Bonaventure, which is barely a quad2 right now. They aren't winning that either.
I agree. Would be a great game.
Maybe the best of the NIT .
But would it be at the Pete or PPG ?
Raw is at PPG on that Monday. The Pens on that Friday so I guess they could do it at PPG.
I think both, right now, are on the outside looking in. TCU @ Pitt would maybe be more likely. You want to talk about a must-see NIT game? Wow.
I think Duquesne probably has to go 11-7 to make the NIT. Pitt 9-11.
While we are fantasizing....how about the nits? They already have NIT in their name, lol. Still don't think they are a lock for the tourney.
They are a lock. This year's Big Ten may be the best conference of all time. Their NET is 23. They are 5-4 and only need to get to 9-11 to get in. 4-7 the rest of the way gets them in.
LOL!!!! Very good question. He blew it with his bombastic BS about Duquesne making the NCAA (well before they had played anyone with a pulse except SLU). So now he's touting the nits (and this years's B1G as maybe the best conference of all time?
). Not surprising though. The schtick never changes.The nits probably have their last, best chance under Chambers to make it this year because their best guys will be gone. But they'll have to EARN their way in from this point forward. Not back their way in with something like 12 losses.
Absolutely. They'd be 19-12 with a NET in the 40s and a slew of good wins since they are in the Big Ten. I dont know why this is so difficult to understand. The Big Ten is halving one of the best years in college basketball history. Anyone in that league that goes 9-11 is a lock. OSU is in at 8-12, maybe 7-13
LOL!!!! Very good question. He blew it with his bombastic BS about Duquesne making the NCAA (well before they had played anyone with a pulse except SLU). So now he's touting the nits (and this years's B1G as maybe the best conference of all time?
The nits probably have their last, best chance under Chambers to make it this year because their best guys will be gone. But they'll have to EARN their way in from this point forward. Not back their way in with something like 12 losses.
Some of you guys really struggling with reading comprehension. I have said all along they would make it if they go 14-4 and that still holds true. Never once did I make a prediction that they'd make it. I said they had a chance.
Best of all time? Based on what? Actual talent or NET? Because the 08-09 BE would slaughter this year’s Big 10.
It's not our reading comprehension, it's comprehending what you write.
Not actual talent because I think that Big East was the best ever. But the Big Ten has a really good shot to get 11/14 and an outside shot at 12/14 and if either of those happen, they are certainly right there in the convo of best conference ever. And this is the same year the ACC is having its worst year ever. Swoffy, you have some splainin to do!
Getting a bunch of teams into the tournament does not mean they are the best conference ever. Be more precise in your language.
Lets say they get 12/14. Does that put them in the convo? And dont say "they wont." I agree they probably wont get 12 but they definitely get 10 and I would say 11.
No. Not at all. Particularly when you, yourself constantly comment about how Rutgers is bad. The conference may get more tournament bids this year, but when taken in a larger context we can appreciate that college hoops is trash this year. Context, SMF. Context.
What if they get 12 and 9 of them lose their first game and only one makes the Sweet 16? What would that make them?
There are literally dozens, perhaps hundreds, of historical conferences that are significantly better than this year's Big Ten. As usual, SMF finds one data point to support an outlandish statement and treats it as gospel. If he weren't blind, the eye test would have prevented him from making that statement to begin with.
I regret that I probably agree with you. 68 teams need to come from somewhere. Teams 7-11 in the Big 12 almost got in last year. I can easily see a 9-11 Big Ten team getting in this year.
BTW ... my regret isn’t that I agree with you but rather that PSU will be in the Dance.
One thing that is being overlooked is teams that finish toward the bottom of the conference but are still considered “on the bubble” will not be getting a bye in the first round of the conference tournament, therefore playing one another and one gets knocked out without a win. Often times these on the bubble teams punch their ticket with a win or two in the conference tourney. Losing game 1 which is a certainty with some of them will hurt when other bubble teams from other conferences get on a run. Everyone remembers what they saw last. 8 is more likely than 10 in my opinion. 9 definitely more likely than 11.
He's also still touting his original claim from back when Pitt beat them that Rutgers stinks too. Which is weird given his Big Ten love this year.LOL!!!! Very good question. He blew it with his bombastic BS about Duquesne making the NCAA (well before they had played anyone with a pulse except SLU). So now he's touting the nits (and this years's B1G as maybe the best conference of all time?
The nits probably have their last, best chance under Chambers to make it this year because their best guys will be gone. But they'll have to EARN their way in from this point forward. Not back their way in with something like 12 losses.
Yeah, the Big Ten is clearly the best conference this year, top-to-bottom. That doesn't mean it's even remotely in the conversation for the best conference ever, let alone even in the top 5 of this century. College basketball is way down this year - simply having a bunch of above average teams make the dance because there are limited other options in a given season isn't all that impressive. How many of those teams can win it all? I'll go out on a limb and say one Big Ten team makes the Final Four, tops...
The ACC had 3 #1 seeds just last year...that's way more impressive.
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I think 10 Big 10 teams will make it. PSU is pretty close to a lock and Duquesne is almost a lock not to make it.
There’s a better chance of the Big 10 getting only 9 as opposed to 12. Some of those teams at the back end will see their records get worse and worse while others will win most of those games and strengthen their resumes. Will say the only way they get 12 is if all of those teams basically split their remaining games with each other.
I don’t care how many good victories they have, teams like Ohio St, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Purdue need to start stringing together some wins. They aren’t all getting in with 18-14 type records.
I don’t care how many good victories they have, teams like Ohio St, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Purdue need to start stringing together some wins. They aren’t all getting in with 18-14 type records.
And 11/14 would be the best ever by percentage of teams making the NCAAT and 12/14 makes the argument that much stronger. 20 years from now, people will remember that. That puts them in the conversation.
The ACC is a basketball conference. The Big Ten is a football conference This is completely unacceptable
No it doesn’t. Why is this a hard concept for you.
Say you (the Big Ten) run the Chicago Marathon. You finish in 4:05. A very respectable time that puts you probably in the top 50% for your age. But the winner finishes in 2:01. The winner (08–09 BE) is arguably one of the best runners/conferences ever.
A few years later you run a small, bespoke marathon in Dubuque, Iowa. There are only 100 other runners, none of whom are elite runners. You PR and finish with 3:55. That puts you second! But.... the best time was only 3:48. Your PR is great relative to the competition (19-20 college hoops) but does not put you anywhere near the conversation for best ever.
This is not complicated, SMF.
While that may be, this year's Big Ten is going to have scoreboard and will be mentioned in the conversation of best ever.
Based on what? You saying so? Definitely not, dude. You’ve yet to make a convincing argument while simultaneously agreeing with everyone who says you are wrong.
Absolutely nobody is going to remember the 2019-2020 Big Ten.
If they don't do well in the tournament no one will care (you'd think a Pitt fan would understand that). Other than to point out that the conference with the record for the most teams ever in the tournament was a failure when they actually got there.
If they get, say, 11 teams in and only three of them make the Sweet 16 and none of them make the Final Four then other than perhaps you, no one else on the whole planet will ever even entertain the possibility that they had the greatest conference season ever.
And I mean that literally, no one on the whole planet with the possible exception of you.
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