PSU can't win the B1G East because of Pitt

[pittdan77]

Well, unless everyone else goes off the rails. But if the three teams win out going into the OSU vs UM game, PSU is eliminated thanks to a new tiebreaker and the winner of that game goes to the B1G championship.

Not that is should matter to us, but guess which game will cost them if that scenario plays out?

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...isional-tiebreaker-now-overall-win-percentage

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They will win the East if they win out (and they are significant favorites in every game) and Michigan loses 2. Mich plays at Iowa, at MSU, and at OSU so they could potentially lose 2.

I will say this. There is a much greater chance of PSU winning the B10E than Pitt winning the Coastal.

 

[Breeze90]

PSU will drop 1 to either Iowa or at Indiana, maybe both.

The OL still is half ass which near derails the flow of the offense.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Iowa looks so mediocre. Indiana is, well, still Indiana.

I can see games playing out just like Minnesota did where McSorley makes a huge play with his feet and PSU squeezes out wins. Iowa is at home, also.

 

[Jpripper88]

They will win the East if they win out (and they are significant favorites in every game) and Michigan loses 2. Mich plays at Iowa, at MSU, and at OSU so they could potentially lose 2.

I will say this. There is a much greater chance of PSU winning the B10E than Pitt winning the Coastal.

There certainly seems to be much less of a chance Pitt wins out, so I get where you are coming from, but there is a much better chance PSU loses 1 game than Michigan loses 2. Much, much better. PSU will be favored in every game, but Michigan will be overwhelming favorites in every game, except OSU.

However, about the only chance for Pitt, though, is a 3 way tie, and that requires them to win out, VT to win out, except for vs Pitt on Thursday, and UNC to lose to at least one of Duke or GT. Very unlikely. Pitt was 2 seconds vs UNC and a win Thursday from all but officially clinching the Coastal before November. Crazy how important having the best possible team on the field against UNC was, no matter the redshirt implications.

BTW, this is an idiotic change by the B1G. All they have done is made their potential champion and playoff options worse off.

 

[steelhead52]

I don't see Michigan losing any games to finish out B1G let alone two. Their defense is too good.

 

[cdmg]

If you finish the article it goes on to state that the 6th tiebreaker is a random draw?!?!

Seriously, the best way to determine who plays in the conference title game and potentially college playoff is to draw randomonly. You can create your own network but cannot have a legitimate way to determine a three way tie. I don't care how far down the line of tie breakers you have to go, there should be an actual winner based on some kind of credentials.

 

[Panther Holla]

Gardner points?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't see Michigan losing any games to finish out B1G let alone two. Their defense is too good.

Me too. But they will be a slight underdog i Columbus and never count out Iowa or MSU with home games against them. They COULD lose 2.

 

[pittdan77]

Look, I'll give PSU credit for the OSU win. That was a big time win even if it wasn't pretty. I just love knowing that the loss to Pitt can sting twice.

 

[Jpripper88]

Me too. But they will be a slight underdog i Columbus and never count out Iowa or MSU with home games against them. They COULD lose 2.

And there is a much better chance PSU loses 1.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

And there is a much better chance PSU loses 1.

I'd agree.

But there is a much better chance of

PSU 5-0 and Mich 3-2 than

Pitt 5-0 UNC 2-1

Or

Pitt 4-1 (L at Clem), UNC 1-1 (against Duke, GT), and VT 3-1 (L at Pitt)

 

[Jpripper88]

I'd agree.

But there is a much better chance of

PSU 5-0 and Mich 3-2 than

Pitt 5-0 UNC 2-1

Or

Pitt 4-1 (L at Clem), UNC 1-1 (against Duke, GT), and VT 3-1 (L at Pitt)

I don't think it is much better. Maybe slightly better.

 

[USN_Panther]

If you finish the article it goes on to state that the 6th tiebreaker is a random draw?!?!

Seriously, the best way to determine who plays in the conference title game and potentially college playoff is to draw randomonly. You can create your own network but cannot have a legitimate way to determine a three way tie. I don't care how far down the line of tie breakers you have to go, there should be an actual winner based on some kind of credentials.

You'd think they could at least do rock paper scissors?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Well, unless everyone else goes off the rails. But if the three teams win out going into the OSU vs UM game, PSU is eliminated thanks to a new tiebreaker and the winner of that game goes to the B1G championship.

Not that is should matter to us, but guess which game will cost them if that scenario plays out?


http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...isional-tiebreaker-now-overall-win-percentage

I guess that was what one calls a Penn State BWI, "Blasphemy Without Integrity", a left over Post-Paterno Legacy not wanting to play Pitt anymore!

I posted that with a Link on CBS Sports Website last Sunday, Pitt win over Penn State really put a hurt on their entire season, they can't ignore that fact,and none of them knew, the Posters on the Lair had to teach them that fact!

One can see why they are swooning downward in US News Best College Ratings, some PSU Alum Fans really lower the IQ's of others that are just smarter than the 10,00 that rioted on Saturday thinking that is a celebration when it is an indication they are accepting far less intelligent students?

The sanctions might revealed far more than many know now that records have to be rechecked and maybe they were cooking the books when reporting them too?

 

[Pantherman43]

Look, I'll give PSU credit for the OSU win. That was a big time win even if it wasn't pretty. I just love knowing that the loss to Pitt can sting twice.

Ugh, wish I was as credit giving as you. That was such an epic fail on Ohio State and Meyer. That's wasn't a pretty win, it wasn't very deserving. Up 21-7 in the fourth there was no excuse for Ohio State blowing it.

I guess the good that comes out of it is now all of a sudden Franklin is a genius according to many up there and this win buys him a very long leash. Talk about fools gold.

But then again, if anyone is going to "back door" their way into a win it would be Penn State. That kind of thing has gone on up there in the past and in some ways continues to still do so.

 

[wbrpanther]

They will win the East if they win out (and they are significant favorites in every game) and Michigan loses 2. Mich plays at Iowa, at MSU, and at OSU so they could potentially lose 2.

I will say this. There is a much greater chance of PSU winning the B10E than Pitt winning the Coastal.

If the Peds win out and the Buckeyes win out and are Michigan's only loss the Peds will be odd man out of the 3 way tie by virtue of the Pitt loss. Overall record would be 10-2 vs. 2 teams at 11-1.

That being said they could well lose at Purdue on Saturday too.

 

[medixman]

I really think if Franklin had a choice of victories he'd take the one over OSU instead of Pitt!I bet if you asked the Great Darduzzi he'd tell you he would of rather beat NC instead of Osu.Yes Captain Psu sucks academically they should shut it down.My son once got pepper sprayed in a riot after PSU made the Sweet 16 and I know his IQ isn't low.Poor judgment not a low IQ was the culprit!!Of course his dad wasn't a Saint at Cal State of Pa,so poor parenting might of been the blame too!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"medixman, post: 1636357, member: 28301"]I really think if Franklin had a choice of victories he'd take the one over OSU instead of Pitt!I bet if you asked the Great Darduzzi he'd tell you he would of rather beat NC instead of Osu.
Does it matter, it won't change a ting unless Pitt beats VT, Miami and Duke and someone beats UNC? However, even if PSU wins the rest of their Games, they can't win BiG TEN EAST tied with OSU due to Pitt Loss? Reality over Bets!

Yes Captain Psu sucks academically they should shut it down.
Well, I never said that "ever," and you saying it is wrong. it is a great University that lack control over Athletic Integrity for 40 years, not Academic Integrity!

My son once got pepper sprayed in a riot after PSU made the Sweet 16 and I know his IQ isn't low.Poor judgment not a low IQ was the culprit!!
Well, I commend your son for going to and graduating from Penn State, and I leave that matter why he was in an riot and sprayed up to you and him.

Of course his dad wasn't a Saint at Cal State of Pa,so poor parenting might of been the blame too!
I have read your posts, predictions, and they speak volumes of your character and that is a tribute to you, your parents, his grandparents, CALU, and your son and Penn State too? No one ever suggested otherwise at anytime and I admire reading your insightful posts many times and will disagree with where I see the need, but this post was not one them.

However, Some at PSU do go crazy and you know it, and Joe knew that too, often trying to calm them down. If as you claim that is poor parenting, the Penn Statet for some reason has more of those students since they rioted more than any school i know of in Pennsylvania in winning, losing and even not playing, now even Penn State is ashamed of that and don't make me Link multiple Articles in Multiple Years to prove it? You know it!

Still, what dumb people do when drunk is not who they are most of the time, but WE ARE.....seems to do force them to that kind of thinking and drinking, why, i don't know and neither do you?

Now tell me what you know on PITT-VT, PSU-PU & WVU-OKSU Games and CALU Game too?

 

[pittdan77]

Ugh, wish I was as credit giving as you. That was such an epic fail on Ohio State and Meyer. That's wasn't a pretty win, it wasn't very deserving. Up 21-7 in the fourth there was no excuse for Ohio State blowing it.

I guess the good that comes out of it is now all of a sudden Franklin is a genius according to many up there and this win buys him a very long leash. Talk about fools gold.

But then again, if anyone is going to "back door" their way into a win it would be Penn State. That kind of thing has gone on up there in the past and in some ways continues to still do so.

I've seen Pitt lose games like that too. This was their 13-9. James finally got a signature win. I won't begrudge them of that.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If the Peds win out and the Buckeyes win out and are Michigan's only loss the Peds will be odd man out of the 3 way tie by virtue of the Pitt loss. Overall record would be 10-2 vs. 2 teams at 11-1.

That is true and that is a likely scenario.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

That being said they could well lose at Purdue on Saturday too.

They *could*, but Purdue is simply awful.

 

[LuvDaLions]

You'd think they could at least do rock paper scissors?

Actually the last tie breaker is almost the same as rock paper scissors, it's a coin flip if all other tie breaker scenarios fail.

 

[upj87]

Actually the last tie breaker is almost the same as rock paper scissors, it's a coin flip if all other tie breaker scenarios fail.

In this case though (queensberry rules I believe) a 39 point beyotch slapping beats rock, paper and scissors...

 

[LuvDaLions]

In this case though (queensberry rules I believe) a 39 point beyotch slapping beats rock, paper and scissors...

Point differential isn't one of the tie breakers or we'd be screwed against Michigan. Our only hope is to win out and hope Mchigan loses before they play OSU, which ain't happening.

 

[Howie'81]

Ugh, wish I was as credit giving as you. That was such an epic fail on Ohio State and Meyer. That's wasn't a pretty win, it wasn't very deserving. Up 21-7 in the fourth there was no excuse for Ohio State blowing it.

I guess the good that comes out of it is now all of a sudden Franklin is a genius according to many up there and this win buys him a very long leash. Talk about fools gold.

But then again, if anyone is going to "back door" their way into a win it would be Penn State. That kind of thing has gone on up there in the past and in some ways continues to still do so.

Except they lost the 4th quarter and were outplayed the last 8 minutes of the 3rd quarter also. I think the rules still say that you look at the score after 60 minutes of play to determine the winner.

 

[JokePa]

I really think if Franklin had a choice of victories he'd take the one over OSU instead of Pitt!I bet if you asked the Great Darduzzi he'd tell you he would of rather beat NC instead of Osu.Yes Captain Psu sucks academically they should shut it down.My son once got pepper sprayed in a riot after PSU made the Sweet 16 and I know his IQ isn't low.Poor judgment not a low IQ was the culprit!!Of course his dad wasn't a Saint at Cal State of Pa,so poor parenting might of been the blame too!

What is funny is, when I read rational messages from clear penn state fans, I like it, and feel bad I dislike Penn State. Honestly, its the guys like Pittpoker and the TD_ people, who I know are the same poster, but that makes me dislike PSU more than any penn state fan does on here. If they just come out be honest and have good discussions, then all would be better.

 

[GoPennState97]

I love Penn State football, but even with the head to head victory, I can say that Ohio State is a better football team and would fare better in the playoffs than Penn State. I know the team we have isn't ready to go head to head with the likes of Alabama, we just don't have the depth. I'll take the victory over Ohio State and hopefully we win out and get a good bowl game. Build for next year.

In that way, the Pitt loss actually helps Penn State by keeping us out of the Big 10 championship game and possibly the playoffs. I remember watching Notre Dame getting dismantled by Alabama a few years back, I don't want to see that happen to us. We are rebuilding, but we are not there yet.

 

[jake418]

I love Penn State football, but even with the head to head victory, I can say that Ohio State is a better football team and would fare better in the playoffs than Penn State. I know the team we have isn't ready to go head to head with the likes of Alabama, we just don't have the depth. I'll take the victory over Ohio State and hopefully we win out and get a good bowl game. Build for next year.

In that way, the Pitt loss actually helps Penn State by keeping us out of the Big 10 championship game and possibly the playoffs. I remember watching Notre Dame getting dismantled by Alabama a few years back, I don't want to see that happen to us. We are rebuilding, but we are not there yet.

Completely agree, there aren't too many psu fans that think psu is going to win the east . The mission is to finish strong and end the season trending up which is in stark contrast to last year. 2018 recruiting is already off to a phenomenal start and this will only help keep it rolling into a 2017 season that has the potential to be very good with only losing a few starters. Who would have thought a year ago that Franklin would be named the Dodd national coach of the week a year later.

 

[Howie'81]

Completely agree, there aren't too many psu fans that think psu is going to win the east . The mission is to finish strong and end the season trending up which is in stark contrast to last year. 2018 recruiting is already off to a phenomenal start and this will only help keep it rolling into a 2017 season that has the potential to be very good with only losing a few starters. Who would have thought a year ago that Franklin would be named the Dodd national coach of the week a year later.

Didn't surprise me.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

In that way, the Pitt loss actually helps Penn State by keeping us out of the Big 10 championship game and possibly the playoffs. I remember watching Notre Dame getting dismantled by Alabama a few years back, I don't want to see that happen to us. We are rebuilding, but we are not there yet.

I'm glad our domination over you saved you the embarrassment of getting dominated in the CFP. We will help you again next year by beating you again. We are better and will be better than you next year too despite the preseason Top 10 ranking you get for beating Ohio State and 9 JV teams.

 

[GoPennState97]

I'm glad our domination over you saved you the embarrassment of getting dominated in the CFP. We will help you again next year by beating you again. We are better and will be better than you next year too despite the preseason Top 10 ranking you get for beating Ohio State and 9 JV teams.

A 3 point win is a victory, but it's hardly domination. I think next year at our place it will be a little different.

 

[I.J.W.T.]

I'm glad our domination over you saved you the embarrassment of getting dominated in the CFP. We will help you again next year by beating you again. We are better and will be better than you next year too despite the preseason Top 10 ranking you get for beating Ohio State and 9 JV teams.

Domination? We were one snap in the final minutes away from winning. Or else a FG from tying. A freshman mistake is why you won. You didn't dominate. You didn't even cover.