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Reality Check

Jan 17, 2014
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Part of me is glad that many on this board are melting down. That means you still care.

My questions is: What was your expectation going into this game? I mean it was practically a home game for State, who beat our pants off earlier in the season, and we've been on a recent free fall.

I understand the venting guys... I really do, but you must have kind of seen this coming. Many posters' inability to cope with an expected outcome is frightening. I always root for Pitt but sometimes you need to temper expectations to keep your sanity. It doesn't mean you're not a good fan just because you don't have a meltdown.

But like I said, at least you're still passionate.
 
I get your point, but at least for me, it's more the way we lose than the loss itself. Soft, slow, tentative, passive, fundamentally poor, afraid to get our uniforms dirty. I could go on and on, and there is plenty of criticism for everyone involved, but one thing that stood out to me tonight as being symbolic of what's wromg with this team was how many loose balls we didn't even go after let alone get, with Mike Young being a multiple offender in that department. If NCSU had played even mediocre D, and if they took better shots they would have beat us by 30.

If we have any competitors on this team they certainly hide it well.

As Bilas said about 100 times, this is a real departure from Pitt basketball since Ben Howland took over. My favorite quote from him tonight was "Pitt has become a little more fun to play against." Just ask Cat Barber and Trevor Lacey.

Can't close the book on this season fast enough.
 
You think the coaches are the reason our defense is so bad this year?

Ist Dixon still the head coach?

It's not the coaching. We have a poorly constructed roster. A team loaded with marginal, soft 3s and 4s. Two true guards who are marginal. No true bigs. The personnel deficiencies are Dixon's fault, but he coaches the same defense he always has. The assistants have very little to do with that. We just can't execute it with this misfit bunch.
 
The wheels seemed to totally come off to finish vs teams that aren't very good which has some folks concerned.
 
The myth of Dixon being a defensive coach has long it lasted the reality.

Howland was a good defensive coach.

An inability to string together stops has been a constant under Dixon for years now.
 
One of the factors, for me, is that so many players over the years have improved greatly from one season to another that I have become spoiled or have convinced myself that players like Cam would magically become a mighty influence by rising above the status of "cog in the wheel". It just does not happen that way all the time for many of the reasons listed in the previous posts.
In fact some would say in several instances there has been regression by individuals. (" a clog in the wheel" if you may).
 
I posted Saturday that NCSU was the worst possible matchup and we would struggle to keep the final score in single digits and turned out to be right. So, although I fully expected a loss like this, its still disheartening to see a marginal program (yea I know they were good under Jimmy V a lifetime ago) like NCSU have all this offensive talent and 3 players we recruited really hard making positive contributions for them. As I said on the board yesterday, it looked like the JV vs the Varsity and we weren't playing Duke. That's the depressing thing.
 
Reality check time.

Something is wrong! Maybe Jamie has been at Pitt to long or the recruiting busts are getting to him?? Maybe the move to the ACC didn't sit right with him ? Maybe all the attention football is getting lately bothers him???

I look at the Big East standing and see Marquette on the bottom of the conference. Maybe Jamie would be more comfortable back in the Big East at a non football school? Who knows?

Lots of questions moving forward!

I hope he stays but I also hope he gets things together.

Each time Pitt plays lately its horrible PR for the program. The announcers last night mentioned how Pitt first played themselves out of the tournament and than off the bubble.

In each of the last four games the announcers weren't the least bit "Pitt friendly."

Go Pitt!
 
Originally posted by thebadby2:
I get your point, but at least for me, it's more the way we lose than the loss itself. Soft, slow, tentative, passive, fundamentally poor, afraid to get our uniforms dirty. I could go on and on, and there is plenty of criticism for everyone involved, but one thing that stood out to me tonight as being symbolic of what's wromg with this team was how many loose balls we didn't even go after let alone get, with Mike Young being a multiple offender in that department. If NCSU had played even mediocre D, and if they took better shots they would have beat us by 30.

If we have any competitors on this team they certainly hide it well.

As Bilas said about 100 times, this is a real departure from Pitt basketball since Ben Howland took over. My favorite quote from him tonight was "Pitt has become a little more fun to play against." Just ask Cat Barber and Trevor Lacey.

Can't close the book on this season fast enough.
The loose ball thing drives me nuts. It lead me to scream at the TV last night. Several times.

There is not much a kid can do about being slower laterally than the opponent. Guys can only improve their quickness a little.
There is not much a player can do when the NC St. guards are hitting 25 footers with hands in their face and throwing in blind over the shoulder tosses. Barber had a career game and once Lacey got in a zone, he was unstoppable.

But when the ball is loose on the floor and you know your team needs every edge it can get to win, there is no excuse for standing there and watching the opponent hustle to get or keep possession.

This team badly needs an injection of toughness.

Not every player can get more talented. Every player CAN get tougher and hustle more. In the old days, a practice where guys did nothing but dive on the floor over and over again after loose balls would have been happening today but in these kinder and gentler days, that's probably out if the question. But, it looks like it is needed.

Another specific area where coaching might have an effect is being ready to do something with the ball when you receive a pass. Multiple times last night and really, much of the season, players catch a pass and then start setting their feet and posture to get their bodies in position to start a play. Artis and Jones are perhaps the worse offenders because they should be capable catch and shoot guys and pretty much have the green light to do that.

Maybe the team has gotten too casual with being ready to respond immediately to every pass by being lulled by a slower pace. Ball movement has been slower this year, possibly because we seem to have few skilled passers. But crisp passing and having your feet set in something resembling the triple threat position when receiving a pass should lead to an easier shot and a more effective offense.

The same problem exists on defense. Players are too often unready and reach ibstead of moving their feet abd getting into position to prevent an attack. I can understand why a guy might not want to step in front of Beejay Anya when that runaway freight train is blasting toward the basket but stepping into the opening created when another defender follows the cutter might prevent Anya from ever starting to drive.
 
I don't care who coaches the team!

Coaching changes are risky look at football.

I want a team that's trending up no down!

If Dixon can get the program back on track fine!

Otherwise something is wrong and things have to change.

The negative PR that we're racking up everytime we play as the announcers have nothing good to say about the program isn't good!

The Nitters get more positive PR than Pitt does because they fight, claw, and play a lot of close games and their program is really bad!

Go Pitt!
This post was edited on 3/12 8:30 AM by goat123
 
They do have some players though--especially the guards. Certainly far more than we do. Looking at their roster up and down, they have a lot of highly rated kids on it.

As I said, when we were tripping over our own feet in Keystone Cops mode for most of the first half offensively, NCSU could have blown the game wide open. Instead, they were standing around on both ends, not working hard, and just watching Barber make shots and plays. IF they had been defending hard and had taken better shots the game would have been a total blowout at the half.

To me, they are poorly coached.
 
Badby, I agree with your earlier assessment.

I know Dixon was probably upset with our defense last night (and he should be). We weren't able to stop their 3 scorers. But is he even aware of the fact that our opponent has 3 guys who can create their own shot and score despite good defense, and we have no one who can do that? Will he spend the whole off-season obsessing about how to stop great shooters and ignoring the fact that we have no comparable threat when we have the ball?

NC St. was a bad matchup for us because of their shooting ability. If they'd had a bad shooting night and we had somehow won, we'd have faced an even greater shooting nightmare against Duke tonight. We simply can't compete against great shooting teams on a regular basis. We have to hope they have a really cold shooting night, or we will lose, because we can't match their firepower.

Wilson is a top 100 recruit joining the program next season. He is a talented, well rounded player. His one weakness is....wait for it....his shooting ability.

Jamie's recruits are better rated than they were 10 years ago, but they are not great shooters, and they are worse defensively. They think they are good enough players that they don't have to become great on defense. The older guys KNEW they had to play great D and rebound and scrap for loose balls to get playing time. These guys don't. But they aren't good enough offensively to compensate either. Thus...we have mediocrity.
 
raleighpanther posted on 3/12/2015...

Jamie's recruits are better rated than they were 10 years ago, but they are not great shooters, and they are worse defensively. They think they are good enough players that they don't have to become great on defense. The older guys KNEW they had to play great D and rebound and scrap for loose balls to get playing time. These guys don't. But they aren't good enough offensively to compensate either. Thus...we have mediocrity.

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How can the recruits be "better" rated than those of 10 yrs ago but they're not great shooters and worse defensively.

Sounds to me that they should be rated lower than those of 10 years ago?

I watched one game UNC when they scrapped for balls like in the past.

It seems to me that something is fundamentally wrong with the team no buy in to the system, they work with the staff well, no basketball IQ?? Not sure!

Go Pitt!
 
Jamie sure likes his combo guards and forwards--tweeners.

I don't. I'd rather have a lightning quick PG who can bury a triple when you lay off him or go right by you when you guard him tight, with quick hands and scrappy D. I don;t care if he's 5'8. A 6'4 scoring 2 guard who is lights out from deep and explosive with the ball in his hands--not a 6'6 guy who is slow, with a weak handle and average shooting ability. A long, silky 6'8 three man who can hit the three and score creatively, a burly, long armed 6'8 4 who loves to bang and rebound and set screens, and a big ass 5 man who can get off the floor and block shots, who rebounds hard, who can pass a little bit out of the post, and who can score like every big man should be able to with fundamental post moves like reverse pivot drop steps.

I would suggest that we don;t have anyone who fits any of those molds on this team, with Artis being the closest thing to the type of 3 I'm talking about. I also thing Young could be a good 4 if we have a real 5, and if he gets a little tougher.
 
According to smf troll #1

I posted Saturday that NCSU was the worst possible matchup and we would struggle to keep the final score in single digits and turned out to be right. So, although I fully expected a loss like this, its still disheartening to see a marginal program (yea I know they were good under Jimmy V a lifetime ago) like NCSU have all this offensive talent and 3 players we recruited really hard making positive contributions for them. As I said on the board yesterday, it looked like the JV vs the Varsity and we weren't playing Duke. That's the depressing thing.
3/12 6:53 AM | IP: Logged


So now he not only poasta million assinine things he brags about the 1% that actually stick. a troll with an ego so big that he has to pat himself on the back for being so hapless because the rest of theboard knows him for what he his...a Pitt hating hrapskate loser who feeds off the pain fo real Pitt fans. An all time low in trollness.
 
Originally posted by dooz3:
According to smf troll #1

I posted Saturday that NCSU was the worst possible matchup and we would struggle to keep the final score in single digits and turned out to be right. So, although I fully expected a loss like this, its still disheartening to see a marginal program (yea I know they were good under Jimmy V a lifetime ago) like NCSU have all this offensive talent and 3 players we recruited really hard making positive contributions for them. As I said on the board yesterday, it looked like the JV vs the Varsity and we weren't playing Duke. That's the depressing thing.
3/12 6:53 AM | IP: Logged


So now he not only poasta million assinine things he brags about the 1% that actually stick. a troll with an ego so big that he has to pat himself on the back for being so hapless because the rest of theboard knows him for what he his...a Pitt hating hrapskate loser who feeds off the pain fo real Pitt fans. An all time low in trollness.
Goldberg, your obsession with SMF has reached a level where you need to seek professional help. And I'm not saying that facetiously... I'm serious. Your obsession with him... to the point of creating new userids to continue stalking him... is reaching Phil proportions.

SMF can be annoying sometimes... but your pathological obsession is going to kill you or make you do something very stupid.
 
Originally posted by UPitt '89:

Originally posted by dooz3:
According to smf troll #1

I posted Saturday that NCSU was the worst possible matchup and we would struggle to keep the final score in single digits and turned out to be right. So, although I fully expected a loss like this, its still disheartening to see a marginal program (yea I know they were good under Jimmy V a lifetime ago) like NCSU have all this offensive talent and 3 players we recruited really hard making positive contributions for them. As I said on the board yesterday, it looked like the JV vs the Varsity and we weren't playing Duke. That's the depressing thing.
3/12 6:53 AM | IP: Logged


So now he not only poasta million assinine things he brags about the 1% that actually stick. a troll with an ego so big that he has to pat himself on the back for being so hapless because the rest of theboard knows him for what he his...a Pitt hating hrapskate loser who feeds off the pain fo real Pitt fans. An all time low in trollness.
Goldberg, your obsession with SMF has reached a level where you need to seek professional help. And I'm not saying that facetiously... I'm serious. Your obsession with him... to the point of creating new userids to continue stalking him... is reaching Phil proportions.

SMF can be annoying sometimes... but your pathological obsession is going to kill you or make you do something very stupid.
Has anyone ever seen Goldbergfan make an actual post on something that Pitt does on the court/field or recruiting aside from chastising what he believes is a "criminal element" amongst posters on these boards that he thinks they have been sent here by our rivals to be negative? Anyone? I mean, this dude is one of those 9/11 truthers in the realm of paranoia.
 
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