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I’ve seen post suggesting this a 5 year rebuild. How can you land an almost top 30 class before you coach a game and need 5 years to rebuild? That class is completely gone.

I also still see posts incorrectly say Toney and McGowens should’ve just graduated HS. How do ppl still not understand reclassifications?
 
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The real issue is the lack of progression so far in the play of Xavier, Trey, and Toney. Trey is showing some signs, but clearly Xavier and Toney have played worse this year. Toney is firmly behind Champegnie at this point and should be on backup only duty. The real lack of a true point guard is killing this team. Coaching is also called into question and exaggerated by the lack of good team basketball being played.

This team will get better as the year progresses and may be a tough out before it's all said and done. The biggest key moving forward is whether or not Xavier can appreciate that getting others open looks is only going to open up more opportunities for him. Ironic, I know.
 
The level of player Pitt is able to successfully recruit at the moment doesn’t instantly elevate Pitt bb to the top of the ACC standings . Look at the incoming class next season , three really nice players with a lot of size and potential for growth , but not one can’t miss super stud . Look at the freshman this yr , all three look like in time to be very capable ACC players , but again not one stud . Now into their sophomore year JCs first class is struggling and had you not seen Pitt play last season you’d be screaming at why X was playing so much and laugh at the thought that he’d even be considering a jump to the NBA next season . Toney seems totally overmatched and Trey has shown flashes of the kind of player he can be , but hasn’t done so on a consistent basis .
This level of recruiting you need your players to improve their games over the course of their careers and when they’re juniors and seniors you now have the foundation of your program . Just like JCs wall of bricks , he’s laying the foundation with these players he’s not putting on the fancy facade .
 
Pitt’s issue won’t be recruiting. It’s coaching. Capel will land you top 30 classes. The problem is he doesn’t adjust much during game. You can consistently win with top 5-10 classes with a coach as an “X and O liability”. Can’t do it with 25-30th rated classes. Not talented enough to overcome the deficiencies from the staff.
 
Pitt’s issue won’t be recruiting. It’s coaching. Capel will land you top 30 classes. The problem is he doesn’t adjust much during game. You can consistently win with top 5-10 classes with a coach as an “X and O liability”. Can’t do it with 25-30th rated classes. Not talented enough to overcome the deficiencies from the staff.
Think you have it backwards , talent wins games and a great coach can mold great talent into a winner . There’s simply not enough talent on the floor or bench . What would you like to see the staff do shoot the ball for these guys or maybe they bring the ball up the court and distribute the bb ?
 
Think you have it backwards , talent wins games and a great coach can mold great talent into a winner . There’s simply not enough talent on the floor or bench . What would you like to see the staff do shoot the ball for these guys or maybe they bring the ball up the court and distribute the bb ?
Exhibit A: Bob Huggins and WVU
 
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This misses in the second half (3-25) were not coaching issues they were a combination of poor execution or poor shot selection. Many of the shots were wide open and were missed. The coaching staffing does a decent job adjusting and putting the players in a position to execute. The players need to start executing. It is game 4 of the second year of a new coach who was brought in 9 new players in that time frame. We are on schedule. The Nicholls State game looked bad at the time but they just gave a top 25 LSU team a run for their money. Take a deep breath and let's see where we end the year and give our staff and players a chance to become a team.

They have one upperclassman (Terrell Brown) who has even been here more than a few months.

Let the staff get at least to year 3 with a recruiting class before we push the panic button. Talent level is way above what it was but they are all 3-4 players that need that time to develop.
 
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Pitt’s issue won’t be recruiting. It’s coaching. Capel will land you top 30 classes. The problem is he doesn’t adjust much during game. You can consistently win with top 5-10 classes with a coach as an “X and O liability”. Can’t do it with 25-30th rated classes. Not talented enough to overcome the deficiencies from the staff.

Anjtrw and I are on the same wavelength on this.

There has been a thesis proposed that Capel is not coaching well because he isn't making needed adjustments. Second half of WVU game is held out as the shining example of this postulated fault.

Certainly this thesis could be valid. On the other hand, coaches can and should only make adjustments to the extent they have payers capable of executing those adjustments.

I have a problem with accepting the failure to adjust, at least basing it mostly on the 2nd half of the WVU game, as the main problem with this team's performance. When you are so outclassed under the basket you need to be able to hit jump shots--both 3-pointers and your mid-range 2s--especially a high percentage of the open ones. Pitt had enough of those open shots in the second half that had they been hitting them the game would have gone down to the wire, IMHO. Instead they hit nothing. That happens sometimes even for a team loaded with good jump shooters and this team is deficient in that regard.

That being the case, I do not see how any adjustment by Capel would have made any appreciable difference in the game. To give him the benefit of the doubt, he possibly just didn't believe any adjustments he had the option to make, given his roster, would have improved matters. What better jump shooters could he have put in the game? Murphy is the only good one. Drumgoole is/was supposed to also be a good one (that is what he was recruited as) but hasn't shown anything at all in that regard as a true freshman through the first 4 games. Johnson and McGowens can only hit them when the shots are uncontested and they are squared up and set. They can't hit them if the shots are being contested.

We obviously need Johnson and McGowens to play team ball; but we also need players other than Murphy hitting jumpers (both 3s and 2s) because our inside game is going to remain limited and the lane clogged against drives otherwise. Personally, am still hoping Drumgoole's jump shooting comes alive. Also, Champagnie appears to have decent form on his jumper so perhaps he can improve his jump shooting accuracy? Either or both happening would make a huge difference.
 
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In game adjustments are overrated. You , on a whole , play to your strengths and mitigate weaknesses.

Thats how you win consistently.

There arent many in game adjustments to be made. We had no match down low.
 
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Starting the second half I believe we made 3 passes around the foul line to the ball screener who passed it to an open person TB, I think 2x who couldn't finish.
Well executed plays in the beginning without the talent to finish.
It began a downward spiral because the play we ran well lead to nada.
 
In game adjustments are overrated. You , on a whole , play to your strengths and mitigate weaknesses.

Thats how you win consistently.

There arent many in game adjustments to be made. We had no match down low.
We were out-rebounded -- no surprise there. But I don't think we played a bad game defensively. An inept offense is why we lost.
 
Athleticism vs. skills.

Top athletes WITH high level basketball skills are 4/5-stars that Pitt traditionally doesn't land.

XJ and Trey are top athletes, and I don't think anyone would argue with that. They do not have top level basketball skills (shooting, IQ) for the positions they play. Maybe Pitt catches lightening in a bottle and this type of player blossoms in one year, but that's rare. The idea is to develop skill level with these athletes by the time they are juniors & seniors. It's still the same Pitt-Big East development plan with this type of player.
 
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We should wait to after his 3rd yr to start questioning His recruiting but the problem is with two more scholarships For his 3rd class I hope he can pull in a blue chipper and that can be a PG or W/PF/C or the increases IN wins may only go up a couple a year. 1st yr 14w and 2nd yrs maybe 17 or 18w and by yr 3 I want 25 not 20 or 21w. IMO
 
I’ve seen post suggesting this a 5 year rebuild. How can you land an almost top 30 class before you coach a game and need 5 years to rebuild? That class is completely gone.

I also still see posts incorrectly say Toney and McGowens should’ve just graduated HS. How do ppl still not understand reclassifications?

Nope. As I posted before. The NCAAT is the expectation by Year 4. Preferably Year 3. If it takes 5 years, that's at least a year too long. This is college basketball. 1 or 2 of the right players makes all the difference.
 
Yeah, completely understand about Capel not at fault in this particular game. Just don’t trust him during a game. That’s going back to his short time at OU. However, he’s a helluva recruiter and Pitt will get players.
 
Nope. As I posted before. The NCAAT is the expectation by Year 4. Preferably Year 3. If it takes 5 years, that's at least a year too long. This is college basketball. 1 or 2 of the right players makes all the difference.
By year 4 we should be a NCAAT invite. 68 teams!
 
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