Recruiting and Context

[pittjas]

Obviously it’s fun that we’re competing and winning some games right now and it’s much more enjoyable to watch. But here’s what really scares me and the context I’m afraid many are missing when they think that we can basically just roll this into next year and become a tourney team:

But here’s what everyone in the ACC is adding so far:

Duke: 4 five stars, 1 four star, 1 three star

UNC: 3 four stars, 1 three star

UVA: 4 four stars

Syracuse: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

ND: 2 four stars, 1 three star

Miami: 2 four stars, 2 three stars

FSU: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

VT: 1 four star, 2 three stars

BC: 1 four star, 2 three stars

Lville: 1 four star, 1 three star

Clemson: 3 three stars

NC State: 2 three stars

WF: 1 four star

ALSO, the infamous Stallings Year 2, ELEVEN (11!!!) ACC teams finished in the Pomeroy Top 50, with 3 in the Top 10 (#2,3,8).

This year there are currently 4 ACC teams in the Top 50 and Duke is the highest at #10.

I’m just afraid that a little success is going to make people think we are truly going in the right direction… but when you look at things, we haven’t played 1 ACC team who would be considered for an at large bid.

AND you then consider the classes I posted above and teams like UVA and Louisville and ND will be stronger next year while we as of now aren’t adding anything.

Any actual thoughts?

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Obviously it’s fun that we’re competing and winning some games right now and it’s much more enjoyable to watch. But here’s what really scares me and the context I’m afraid many are missing when they think that we can basically just roll this into next year and become a tourney team:

But here’s what everyone in the ACC is adding so far:

Duke: 4 five stars, 1 four star, 1 three star

UNC: 3 four stars, 1 three star

UVA: 4 four stars

Syracuse: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

ND: 2 four stars, 1 three star

Miami: 2 four stars, 2 three stars

FSU: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

VT: 1 four star, 2 three stars

BC: 1 four star, 2 three stars

Lville: 1 four star, 1 three star

Clemson: 3 three stars

NC State: 2 three stars

WF: 1 four star

ALSO, the infamous Stallings Year 2, ELEVEN (11!!!) ACC teams finished in the Pomeroy Top 50, with 3 in the Top 10 (#2,3,8).

This year there are currently 4 ACC teams in the Top 50 and Duke is the highest at #10.

I’m just afraid that a little success is going to make people think we are truly going in the right direction… but when you look at things, we haven’t played 1 ACC team who would be considered for an at large bid.

AND you then consider the classes I posted above and teams like UVA and Louisville and ND will be stronger next year while we as of now aren’t adding anything.

Any actual thoughts?

You are correct. The ACC is really down this year. A good coach (in year 4) has his team playing in the NCAA’s or at the bare minimum on the bubble. The other teams in our conference have some good incoming recruits and we have nobody at this point. There really is no excuse for our lack of recruiting. He needs to bring in some good players ASAP.

 

[pittjas]

You are correct. The ACC is really down this year. A good coach (in year 4) has his team playing in the NCAA’s or at the bare minimum on the bubble. The other teams in our conference have some good incoming recruits and we have nobody at this point. There really is no excuse for our lack of recruiting. He needs to bring in some good players ASAP.

I like how we are playing hard and together, I’m just afraid the ACC being so down is making people overrate our talent. We need more for next year badly.

 

[sonofabit]

Obviously it’s fun that we’re competing and winning some games right now and it’s much more enjoyable to watch. But here’s what really scares me and the context I’m afraid many are missing when they think that we can basically just roll this into next year and become a tourney team:

But here’s what everyone in the ACC is adding so far:

Duke: 4 five stars, 1 four star, 1 three star

UNC: 3 four stars, 1 three star

UVA: 4 four stars

Syracuse: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

ND: 2 four stars, 1 three star

Miami: 2 four stars, 2 three stars

FSU: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

VT: 1 four star, 2 three stars

BC: 1 four star, 2 three stars

Lville: 1 four star, 1 three star

Clemson: 3 three stars

NC State: 2 three stars

WF: 1 four star

ALSO, the infamous Stallings Year 2, ELEVEN (11!!!) ACC teams finished in the Pomeroy Top 50, with 3 in the Top 10 (#2,3,8).

This year there are currently 4 ACC teams in the Top 50 and Duke is the highest at #10.

I’m just afraid that a little success is going to make people think we are truly going in the right direction… but when you look at things, we haven’t played 1 ACC team who would be considered for an at large bid.

AND you then consider the classes I posted above and teams like UVA and Louisville and ND will be stronger next year while we as of now aren’t adding anything.

Any actual thoughts?

Could only come up with one thought. PORTAL. Assuming status quo with current backcourt. Maybe PG and PF.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Let’s look at next year with a positive, but yet realistic view. We aren’t even close to making the NCAA’s with this roster and everyone around us improving.

Hugley - keeps improving and becomes 3rd team All ACC

Burton - keeps improving and is a good ACC starter

Odukale - keeps improving and is a solid ACC starter

Horton - ?? - does he return? if so then maybe a decent ACC starter

Sibande - ?? - does he return and how will the injury impact him

Jeffress, Collier, Santos - Need a lot of improvement to even be effective off the bench on a good team.

Payton, Amadasun - they cannot even get PT now

 

[gary2]

Let’s look at next year with a positive, but yet realistic view. We aren’t even close to making the NCAA’s with this roster and everyone around us improving.

Hugley - keeps improving and becomes 3rd team All ACC

Burton - keeps improving and is a good ACC starter

Odukale - keeps improving and is a solid ACC starter

Horton - ?? - does he return? if so then maybe a decent ACC starter

Sibande - ?? - does he return and how will the injury impact him

Jeffress, Collier, Santos - Need a lot of improvement to even be effective off the bench on a good team.

Payton, Amadasun - they cannot even get PT now

Is Olidapo still on the team? Still Covid? Injured?

He could return next season. Played some early.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Is Olidapo still on the team? Still Covid? Injured?

He could return next season. Played some early.

Good question - Not sure what happened to him.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

With Gueye leaving we are in desperate need for at least one more quality big man--of at least Gueye's ability--and two would be preferable. A good point guard (not a combo guard) is also a wish.

Santos will definitely improve, IMHO-- and I would be extremely surprised if Horton isn't back--maybe even by early February. Collier is already showing some signs of improvement. Jeffress can still improve (maybe?) since he is still only 18.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

The big negative with Capel has been recruiting. People were saying what a great recruiter he is, but he has yet to show that in any way. The little bit of success we've had the last couple of games won't mean much when Capel again has a big goose egg in recruiting while the rest of the league is getting 4* players or better. That will be his downfall eventually if he doesn't fix it, and fix it THIS YEAR.

 

[PittMan2003]

Seems to me he is just relying on the portal for next year. Which might not be a bad idea. Try and get some older guys who can help win right away.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Good question - Not sure what happened to him.

Stinks. Stank. Stunk. He is Bobby Mo material.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Stinks. Stank. Stunk. He is Bobby Mo material.

Cmon man. He’s a kid! Don’t be mean to the kids! They’re not paid employees of Pitt receiving free tuition, books, room and board, cost of attendance and NiL! He is a kid!

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Obviously it’s fun that we’re competing and winning some games right now and it’s much more enjoyable to watch. But here’s what really scares me and the context I’m afraid many are missing when they think that we can basically just roll this into next year and become a tourney team:

But here’s what everyone in the ACC is adding so far:

Duke: 4 five stars, 1 four star, 1 three star

UNC: 3 four stars, 1 three star

UVA: 4 four stars

Syracuse: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

ND: 2 four stars, 1 three star

Miami: 2 four stars, 2 three stars

FSU: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

VT: 1 four star, 2 three stars

BC: 1 four star, 2 three stars

Lville: 1 four star, 1 three star

Clemson: 3 three stars

NC State: 2 three stars

WF: 1 four star

ALSO, the infamous Stallings Year 2, ELEVEN (11!!!) ACC teams finished in the Pomeroy Top 50, with 3 in the Top 10 (#2,3,8).

This year there are currently 4 ACC teams in the Top 50 and Duke is the highest at #10.

I’m just afraid that a little success is going to make people think we are truly going in the right direction… but when you look at things, we haven’t played 1 ACC team who would be considered for an at large bid.

AND you then consider the classes I posted above and teams like UVA and Louisville and ND will be stronger next year while we as of now aren’t adding anything.

Any actual thoughts?

Yeah, but cmon, players automatically get better because they’re older!

and every player is really good I’m just negative. And these players are dealing with injuries, covid etc. no one else is.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Cmon man. He’s a kid! Don’t be mean to the kids! They’re not paid employees of Pitt receiving free tuition, books, room and board, cost of attendance and NiL! He is a kid!

They are kids , a shame you don’t understand that !

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

They are kids , a shame you don’t understand that !

1) they’re earning money and tuition/room/board to play a sport, so they are gainfully employed. College basketball is a business/job. Treat is as such.

2) when the many members of the team commit crimes, they’re tried as juveniles? News to me

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Pitts most expedient path to success is through the transfer portal right now .

Finding guys like Burton with multiple yrs of eligibility is ideal .

Pitt isn’t in the loop to get get freshman with the skills of Mo or Burton and while everyone would like it if they did get a few early hs commitments I’m ok with recruiting if they fill in the missing pieces with quality transfers .

Winning is what will help with recruiting and the staff can sell the success of both Burton and Mo this yr .

 

[Fsgolfdr]

1) they’re earning money and tuition/room/board to play a sport, so they are gainfully employed. College basketball is a business/job. Treat is as such.

2) when the many members of the team commit crimes, they’re tried as juveniles? News to me

Your pathetic !

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Your pathetic !

*You’re

 

[Fsgolfdr]

*You’re

I guess child actors are adults too and one thing I’m glad is I’m not anything like what you are .

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I guess child actors are adults too and one thing I’m glad is I’m not anything like what you are .

Child actors are adults!? Wtf is this. If you can be charged with a crime as an adult, are getting paid to do a job, you can be fairly criticized.

 

[gary2]

Child actors are adults!? Wtf is this. If you can be charged with a crime as an adult, are getting paid to do a job, you can be fairly criticized.

I think my criticism never degenerated into insulting language (I could be wrong)

I pointed out Jeffress was not helping. I pointed out he was playing as much as our most important players. I pointed out I thought our chances of success might improve if he (and Collier) played a lot less. I could not understand how our coach did not move in that direction sooner.

 

[PITT92DOG]

Child actors are adults!? Wtf is this. If you can be charged with a crime as an adult, are getting paid to do a job, you can be fairly criticized.

Nothing tough guy couch coach. I'm sure you walked up hill both way in the snow during the summer. That's how tough you had it I'm sure.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Nothing tough guy couch coach. I'm sure you walked up hill both way in the snow during the summer. That's how tough you had it I'm sure.

No, you’re tough bro

 

[WillFerrell]

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

[PITT92DOG]

No, you’re tough bro

I'm not not the one getting off ripping 18-20 year old kids.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

18-20 year old kids

18-20 year olds aren't kids.

 

[DT_PITT]

Obviously it’s fun that we’re competing and winning some games right now and it’s much more enjoyable to watch. But here’s what really scares me and the context I’m afraid many are missing when they think that we can basically just roll this into next year and become a tourney team:

But here’s what everyone in the ACC is adding so far:

Duke: 4 five stars, 1 four star, 1 three star

UNC: 3 four stars, 1 three star

UVA: 4 four stars

Syracuse: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

ND: 2 four stars, 1 three star

Miami: 2 four stars, 2 three stars

FSU: 2 four stars, 3 three stars

VT: 1 four star, 2 three stars

BC: 1 four star, 2 three stars

Lville: 1 four star, 1 three star

Clemson: 3 three stars

NC State: 2 three stars

WF: 1 four star

ALSO, the infamous Stallings Year 2, ELEVEN (11!!!) ACC teams finished in the Pomeroy Top 50, with 3 in the Top 10 (#2,3,8).

This year there are currently 4 ACC teams in the Top 50 and Duke is the highest at #10.

I’m just afraid that a little success is going to make people think we are truly going in the right direction… but when you look at things, we haven’t played 1 ACC team who would be considered for an at large bid.

AND you then consider the classes I posted above and teams like UVA and Louisville and ND will be stronger next year while we as of now aren’t adding anything.

Any actual thoughts?

No doubt. There’s still a long, long way to go. And I’m not even going to try to answer what direction we are going in.
But despite how bad the league is, we are still significantly better than the 2018 team. But that isn’t trying to say anything about the actual level of this team — it’s just noting how incredibly and historically bad that Stallings team was.

 

[pittjas]

No doubt. There’s still a long, long way to go. And I’m not even going to try to answer what direction we are going in.
But despite how bad the league is, we are still significantly better than the 2018 team. But that isn’t trying to say anything about the actual level of this team — it’s just noting how incredibly and historically bad that Stallings team was.

No doubt. That wasn’t the point of my post. It’s pretty obvious we are better.

I just don’t know that 6-7 wins in this ACC is any real achievement and I’m afraid it’s clouding peoples’ (and HL’s) judgement.

 

[PITT92DOG]

18-20 year olds aren't kids.

They are full fledged adults, I doubt many of this board had much maturity at that age and they certainly aren't professionals.

 

[DT_PITT]

No doubt. That wasn’t the point of my post. It’s pretty obvious we are better.

I just don’t know that 6-7 wins in this ACC is any real achievement and I’m afraid it’s clouding peoples’ (and HL’s) judgement.

Personally, 7-13 wouldn’t do anything for me as an achievement. But I just don’t want to be historically bad.

It would also be nice to finish better than 12th place. That hasn’t happened since 2016. And I really don’t expect it to happen this year either.

 

[pittjas]

Personally, 7-13 wouldn’t do anything for me as an achievement. But I just don’t want to be historically bad.

It would also be nice to finish better than 12th place. That hasn’t happened since 2016. And I really don’t expect it to happen this year either.

I agree. You have the ability to enjoy our success and wins and effort while still being somewhat unsure about the direction of the program… I just cringe at the posts after a squeeker win over BC or a bad Louisville team that suggest we can just run it back and be a tournament team next year.

The bar has just been set so low after the last 3-5 years.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

They are full fledged adults

Correct, they are full fledged adults.

I'm pretty sure that isn't what you actually meant to say though.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

18-20 year olds aren't kids.

Yes, we need to stop this ridiculous 1957 attitude. I am sorry, when you play on TV, in front of thousands and thousands, get enormous perks, these "kids" (all legal adults by the way) are not immune to criticism, and dare I say, "booing". They signed up for this, they know the game. There are many levels below without all of this, without message boards, etc...if it so bothersome.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Yes, we need to stop this ridiculous 1957 attitude. I am sorry, when you play on TV, in front of thousands and thousands, get enormous perks, these "kids" (all legal adults by the way) are not immune to criticism, and dare I say, "booing". They signed up for this, they know the game. There are many levels below without all of this, without message boards, etc...if it so bothersome.

Your right these 18 yr olds need to be ridiculed , booed and criticized by fat overweight old white guys who have nothing better to do other than whine about college kids trying to live out their dreams .

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Your right these 18 yr olds need to be ridiculed , booed and criticized by fat overweight old white guys who have nothing better to do other than whine about college kids trying to live out their dreams .

Hey, I’m not fat anymore!

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Your right these 18 yr olds need to be ridiculed , booed and criticized by fat overweight old white guys who have nothing better to do other than whine about college kids trying to live out their dreams .

20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 22, 22, 22, 22, 23 - Those are the ages of the guys on our roster according to the Pitt website. The only 18 year old listed is Jeffress. We aren’t a young team, and I don’t see people ridiculing players like you say.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I don’t see people ridiculing players like you say.

Keep in mind that you are responding to the guy who thought that people were too mean to the former coach who was stealing, er, ah, I mean making millions of dollars a year to sleepwalk his way through a couple seasons here.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Your right these 18 yr olds need to be ridiculed , booed and criticized by fat overweight old white guys who have nothing better to do other than whine about college kids trying to live out their dreams .

Not saying that. I am saying that they are allowed to be criticized and questioned.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Pitt needs a PG and a PF in the transfer market. We didn't have anything to sell last Spring and got Burton and Gueye and almost had Jarrod West. If we can do better than that and get a quality PG and PF and can return Hugley + the 4 guards, its an NCAAT caliber team.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Pitt needs a PG and a PF in the transfer market. We didn't have anything to sell last Spring and got Burton and Gueye and almost had Jarrod West. If we can do better than that and get a quality PG and PF and can return Hugley + the 4 guards, its an NCAAT caliber team.

No it isn’t. Maybe NIT if everyone comes back.